(Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)

[Eab1990]

Re: (Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)

How is this relevant to anything?

Wanting an event unit to be premium vs. wanting an event unit to stay premium.

I'm sure you can make the connection from there.

Whether or not you realize that both are stupid arguments is a different story.

No no, I thought he was the guy that goes to every thread and says the game would've been better with pvp, or the game failed because there's no pvp.

That too.

 

[alpha10th]

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For the record, I had legit looked up the stats an hour ago and had no knowledge of them prior.

You shouldn't use your lack of knowledge as the basis for judging others.
Using something you have no idea what the hell you are talking about to label others as "ungrateful as fuck"? Sound argument indeed.

Funny that this is how most debates I'm involved in play out.

It Is funny that you even recognize a pattern here.
One would think this would give you a hint on where the fault lies.

I said I would respect personal taste. But that is only applicable to ones who respect others' as well.
So Screw Liana. She's terribad vanilla right outta gacha.
Nutaku Aigis will have never have her event b/c there exists a dumb idiot like you who are willing to spend crystal for her in vain.
She will also never be a Bonus Rate unit, just like she hasn't been for the last 10 months. Good luck pulling her ugly ass out.

 

[razisgosu]

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After comparing the stats of all the healers I can confidently say that anyone who pulled Liana and still wants compensation is ungrateful as fuck.

Id gladly level up and run both a crappy dupe and a full event version of her.

She has the 2nd best stats of all the healers only slightly beaten by a pedobait loli with a gimmicky skill.

Good luck running dupes on majin maps where that strategy isn't allowed.

You clearly don't understand Elyse's power to claim Liana is even remotely close in power to her. You clearly underestimate just how powerful stacking defense modifiers are in this game, especially when there's units that have multiple thousands of attack points that need to be blocked or stalled.

Not to mention pulling a base Liana gives you a healer who costs a whopping 24 points. On tight cost maps, the fact Liana is expensive, due to being an event unit, it would be near impossible to place her compared to any other healer.

 

[Angelic Berserker]

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To be fair, I have noticed that you're not the sharpest nail in the shed. You're protected by the power of your wallet nothing else.

I have noticed that you seem to hold yourself in high regard and I couldn't help but mention it to you for once and all. Its your wallet, not you. And your latest posts about Liana do nothing but confirm it to everyone.

you just want undeserved compensation for your gacha roll.

And here I stand with a different and clearly unpopular opinion from you and instead of making your case like others have you just complain and throw insults? what exactly is being confirmed from my latest posts other then my point of view on the "issue" with Liana?
I spent some money on this game? Sounds like jealousy to me.

Wanting an event unit to be premium vs. wanting an event unit to stay premium.

The only argument Ive made was that its insane to expect compensation for getting a unit you didn't want from gacha.

That has zero to do with the Lavander shit you brought up and quite frankly so what if I wanted to buy Lavander? At that time I only had just started playing fkg and only briefly spoke with nameless, I had no idea that he wasn't a businessman like some of the other nutaku devs have proved to be. Thinking that me wanting to buy something is stupid is pretty hypocritical of you, after all id say your just as big of a whale if not bigger than me.
All of this shit is a waste of money but why do we buy it? I don't know about you, but I actually enjoy the rush of rolling gachas and getting something wonderful.

You shouldn't use your lack of knowledge as the basis for judging others.
Using something you have no idea what the hell you are talking about to label others as "ungrateful as fuck"? Sound argument indeed.
It Is funny that you even recognize a pattern here.
One would think this would give you a hint on where the fault lies.
I said I would respect personal taste. But that is only applicable to ones who respect others' as well.

This is just completely troll but ill give you 2/10 for getting me to reply.
I specifically said

After comparing the stats of all the healers I can confidently say that anyone who pulled Liana and still wants compensation is ungrateful as fuck.

With the only exceptions of Lolis and Katie. No where in any of my posts have I ever showed disrespect to anyone's personal taste, personal opinions, or anyone personally.

Good luck running dupes on majin maps where that strategy isn't allowed. You clearly don't understand Elyse's power to claim Liana is even remotely close in power to her. You clearly underestimate just how powerful stacking defense modifiers are in this game, especially when there's units that have multiple thousands of attack points that need to be blocked or stalled.

Holy shit another troll?
Tell me where in any of my posts that i said Liana's skill was on par or better than Elyse's? I coulda swore I called Elyse's skill a gimmick did I not?

Is it possible that you don't know what the word "gimmick" means?

 

[ShinyAfro]

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you just want undeserved compensation for your gacha roll.

And here I stand with a different and clearly unpopular opinion from you and instead of making your case like others have you just complain and throw insults? what exactly is being confirmed from my latest posts other then my point of view on the "issue" with Liana?
I spent some money on this game? Sounds like jealousy to me.


The only argument Ive made was that its insane to expect compensation for getting a unit you didn't want from gacha.

That has zero to do with the Lavander shit you brought up and quite frankly so what if I wanted to buy Lavander? At that time I only had just started playing fkg and only briefly spoke with nameless, I had no idea that he wasn't a businessman like some of the other nutaku devs have proved to be. Thinking that me wanting to buy something is stupid is pretty hypocritical of you, after all id say your just as big of a whale if not bigger than me.
All of this shit is a waste of money but why do we buy it? I don't know about you, but I actually enjoy the rush of rolling gachas and getting something wonderful.


This is just completely troll but ill give you 2/10 for getting me to reply.
I specifically said
With the only exceptions of Lolis and Katie. No where in any of my posts have I ever showed disrespect to anyone's personal taste, personal opinions, or anyone personally.

Holy shit another troll?
Tell me where in any of my posts that i said Liana's skill was on par or better than Elyse's? I coulda swore I called Elyse's skill a gimmick did I not?

Is it possible that you don't know what the word "gimmick" means?

gimmick
noun
"a trick or device intended to attract attention, publicity, or trade."
example: "it is not so much a programme to improve services as a gimmick to gain votes"
synonyms: publicity device, stunt, contrivance, eye-catching novelty, scheme, trick, dodge, ploy.

Basically saying her skill looks good on paper but is complete novelty, by calling it a gimmick.

Now, let us compare both healers, shall we? (EDIT: ADDED SOME PLATS FOR LULZ)
Survivability:
Iris: 1950HP, 195 Def.
Liana: 1890HP, 183+72(255) Def.
Chydis:1170HP, 184+60(244) Def + 15MR.
Camilla: 1770HP, 175+60(235) Def.
Iris has 60 more HP, 60 less defense. Liana's win.

Attack/Healing:
Iris: 504+144(648), ATK Delay -18%(0.405APS) = 262.4HP/s (BLACK)
Liana: 493+144(637), Average attack delay.(0.366APS) = 236.8HP/s (PL... nvm BLACK)
Chydis:505+120(625), Average attack delay.(0.366APS) = 228.7HP/s (PLAT)
Camilla:452+120(572), Average attack delay.(0.366APS) = 209.3HP/s (PLAT)
As we can see iris heals 25.6HP per second more. That's more then 10%, Easily.
FUN FACT: When comparing to Liana, Camilia does only 27.5 less, while does Chydis does 8.1 less.

Abilities:
Iris: 7% Global defense increase.
Liana: +900HP on placement.
Chydis: +10MR (Calculated in defense tab, so practically no ability here.)
Camilla: +700HP on placement.
Honestly, It depends on your strategy, however personally i would call that as a win for iris.

Skills:
Iris 2x defence for 60s (85s CD)
Liana: 1.7x range for 15s, Remove status ailments.(40s CD)
Chydis: 1.2x range and 1.4x attack for 90 seconds.(95s CD)
Camilia: 1.8x attack for 35s (35s CD)
Honestly, an obvious win for Iris as removing status ailments imho is an obvious gimmick plus defense is pretty decent, with her ability and skill she increases defense by 2.14x what the unit would have without Iris.

Also worth mentioning, Iris and Liana can be CR'd down to 19, however, Iris starts at 22 while Liana at 23. As such Iris on average will cost less.

 

[Angelic Berserker]

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ok bro you got me I guess I been using the word gimmick incorrectly my whole life what a revelation.

although I do find the 2nd listed definition for gimmick on the urban dictionary relevant.
2. A shiny seductive finish applied to a big pile of bull shit.

Which fits Eyles skill perfectly, great skill crappy character.

 

[ShinyAfro]

Re: (Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)

ok bro you got me I guess I been using the word gimmick incorrectly my whole life what a revelation.

although I do find the 2nd listed definition for gimmick on the urban dictionary relevant.
2. A shiny seductive finish applied to a big pile of bull shit.

Which fits Eyles skill perfectly, great skill crappy character.

At the very least, Lianas cost should be brought down to 22-19, from 23-21, in-line with other blacks, if she is not going to be an event unit.

I think my previous post showed B.Iris was on another level compaired to Liana, tbh. If anything Chydis almost had her beat, too. Shes easier to CR/Skillup too.

 

[Ericridge]

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you just want undeserved compensation for your gacha roll.

And here I stand with a different and clearly unpopular opinion from you and instead of making your case like others have you just complain and throw insults? what exactly is being confirmed from my latest posts other then my point of view on the "issue" with Liana?
I spent some money on this game? Sounds like jealousy to me.

Uh no, You show how dumb you are.

DMM Aigis version is superior for they have Liana as event unit and don't pollute the Gacha with a Liana.

Meanwhile in Nutaku Aigis a single black slot in gacha is being wasted by an Liana. And then what's more worse, Liana might be needed by most of the F2P players later into the game when theres shit paralyzing your tanks and will oneshot them because they are paralyzed. Since they cannot continue further anymore they drop Aigis.

You're rolling around calling the call for Liana's even to be brought back and Liana being exchanged for a black ticket an undeserved compensation is dumb too. Before I pulled Liana, I was even in the favor of Lianas being exchanged for black ticket with Liana's event being restored and removed from gacha.

Personally if they do this then I would see that JP Devs is doing us right because they made a huge giant shitty mistake. And it continues to reflect badly upon them the longer they go Liana issue unresolved.

I wasn't even kidding that I quit for several months after I pulled Liana. I just dropped the game completely and forgot about it because it was such a shitty move on Nutaku. I dread rolling every time I do an premium roll because Liana is present and there in the gacha table. I want her gone.

I bitch about Liana because she is the only unit in the entire gacha that got pulled from her event and placed into premium gacha. Its not like that I bitch about Elyse/Diina at all. Sure I hate both cuz they don't make my dick hard but they're an credible black unit so I don't mind that much.I can be a wallet warrior if I wanted to but the presence of Liana is keeping me from dropping too much money on Gacha because I don't want to pull 9001 copies of Liana. Her presence is doing more economical harm to Nutaku Aigis than help.

 

[Angelic Berserker]

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At the very least, Lianas cost should be brought down to 22-19, from 23-21, in-line with other blacks, if she is not going to be an event unit.

I think my previous post showed B.Iris was on another level compaired to Liana, tbh. If anything Chydis almost had her beat, too. Shes easier to CR/Skillup too.

thats cool bro, i never said Liana beat Eyles after all. I just had no idea what the word gimmick actually meant.

Uh no, You show how dumb you are.

Yes ill admit using a word incorrectly and condemning others for using it correctly is pretty dumb. but I don't think thats why your calling me dumb is it?

DMM Aigis version is superior for they have Liana as event unit and don't pollute the Gacha with a Liana.

Meanwhile in Nutaku Aigis a single black slot in gacha is being wasted by an Liana. And then what's more worse, Liana might be needed by most of the F2P players later into the game when theres shit paralyzing your tanks and will oneshot them because they are paralyzed. Since they cannot continue further anymore they drop Aigis.

You're rolling around calling the call for Liana's even to be brought back and Liana being exchanged for a black ticket an undeserved compensation is dumb too. Before I pulled Liana, I was even in the favor of Lianas being exchanged for black ticket with Liana's event being restored and removed from gacha.

Personally if they do this then I would see that JP Devs is doing us right because they made a huge giant shitty mistake. And it continues to reflect badly upon them the longer they go Liana issue unresolved.

Oh its not because I miss used a word, its because I have a different opinion from yours, interesting

I wasn't even kidding that I quit for several months after I pulled Liana. I just dropped the game completely and forgot about it because it was such a shitty move on Nutaku. I dread rolling every time I do an premium roll because Liana is present and there in the gacha table. I want her gone.

I bitch about Liana because she is the only unit in the entire gacha that got pulled from her event and placed into premium gacha. Its not like that I bitch about Elyse/Diina at all. Sure I hate both cuz they don't make my dick hard but they're an credible black unit so I don't mind that much.I can be a wallet warrior if I wanted to but the presence of Liana is keeping me from dropping too much money on Gacha because I don't want to pull 9001 copies of Liana. Her presence is doing more economical harm to Nutaku Aigis than help.

So long story short, you got disappointed and bratted out for 3 months because you thought you should never have gotten Liana in the first place when you rolled the gacha knowing she was in there?
Its ok, don't be a wallet warrior otherwise you might have something in common with me god forbid! Besides its not like anyone is impressed with anyone else's fake pixel collection. As for these characters making your or anyone's dick hard for that matter, no comment.

 

[Selius]

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ok bro you got me I guess I been using the word gimmick incorrectly my whole life what a revelation.

although I do find the 2nd listed definition for gimmick on the urban dictionary relevant.
2. A shiny seductive finish applied to a big pile of bull shit.

Which fits Eyles skill perfectly, great skill crappy character.

gimmick skills are generally what you call "infrequently useful" skills.

gimmick skills:

momiji
bandits' risk life
chizuru's foresee
themis' skill. (because nobody uses her (lol)
and occasionally paula's heal magic plus. since the duration is nuts it really cuts into the usefulness.

elyse's skill has constant use. you dont have to search for strange circumstances to make use of it.

 

[razisgosu]

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Holy shit another troll?
Tell me where in any of my posts that i said Liana's skill was on par or better than Elyse's? I coulda swore I called Elyse's skill a gimmick did I not?

Is it possible that you don't know what the word "gimmick" means?

You mean the part where you specifically said their stats were similar while coincidentally forgetting their skills? Who cares about stats when skills and abilities are what make units. Don't call me a troll when you've been trolling the board with your posts for pages now.

thats cool bro, i never said Liana beat Eyles after all. I just had no idea what the word gimmick actually meant.

Lmao and you called me a troll. Look who the real troll is. You, proven by your own posts.

 

[Angelic Berserker]

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You mean the part where you specifically said their stats were similar while coincidentally forgetting their skills? Who cares about stats when skills and abilities are what make units. Don't call me a troll when you've been trolling the board with your posts for pages now. Lmao and you called me a troll. Look who the real troll is. You, proven by your own posts.

Never forgot there skills I only misused the word gimmick, sorry to rustle your jimmies kid. Regardless, this wasn't some political debate, so incorrectly using a word doesn't invalidate any of my points but good job at attacking the most irrelevant part of my post. I give you an A for effort.

 

[razisgosu]

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Never forgot there skills I only misused the word gimmick, sorry to rustle your jimmies kid. Regardless, this wasn't some political debate, so incorrectly using a word doesn't invalidate any of my points but good job at attacking the most irrelevant part of my post. I give you an A for effort.

Point out to me where I said you misused a word. Go ahead. I'll wait. I specifically called you out on comparing two units whose values cannot be compared as one significantly outmatches the other.

 

[Angelic Berserker]

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you didn't point it out, you thought that I thought that eyles skill was shit, but you thought wrong. I'm going to sleep now, hopefully this shit is dropped by tomorrow cus id rather not spend another day on this argument but I have no problem continuing it with anyone who wishes to continue it. Its good practice for what I actually do for a living after all.

 

[ShinyAfro]

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I agree no one should get a black ticket for liana, it should be a random black or B.Iris we get instead.
Liana should become an event unit
And removed from the gatcha.

 

[Trifle]

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Liana's skill is actually a complete gimmick, rather than Elyse.

Paralyze stuff is pretty uncommon, and either it's on units that don't really matter and you can just ignore it (zombies etc) or it's on nasty things like a zombie dragon and you can just tank it with a status immune unit like Thetis, or more likely Rowenna.

That being said my main problem with Liana remaining in gacha is the fact that she costs 2 more than a gacha unit should cost, so anyone that gets her has a big handicap for no real reason. They could at least fix that, and then it wouldn't be such a big issue.

 

[ShinyAfro]

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Anyone know when/if our dailys are gonna be like DMM ones where we get shit on the weekend?
Also, do feng shui masters do their full attack as hp to 3x people or is it 1/3 of attack to 3 people?

 

[Sashas]

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Anyone know when/if our dailys are gonna be like DMM ones where we get shit on the weekend?
Also, do feng shui masters do their full attack as hp to 3x people or is it 1/3 of attack to 3 people?

Noone knows when the first part will happen but as for feng shui they do their full attack to 3x people. For example with skill and dancer, I can get Marr to heal 9 people for 1100 health each, there's no way she heals 122 per person when I do that, the only thing that has ever managed to beat Marrs aoe heals was a almost dead mummy mage who oneshot half my team.

 

[Fayne]

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Liana's skill is actually a complete gimmick, rather than Elyse.

Paralyze stuff is pretty uncommon, and either it's on units that don't really matter and you can just ignore it (zombies etc) or it's on nasty things like a zombie dragon and you can just tank it with a status immune unit like Thetis, or more likely Rowenna.

That being said my main problem with Liana remaining in gacha is the fact that she costs 2 more than a gacha unit should cost, so anyone that gets her has a big handicap for no real reason. They could at least fix that, and then it wouldn't be such a big issue.

Please! Angelic is willing to end this stupid discussion. Please don't make it start all over again and last until all of us go mad!

Anyone know when/if our dailys are gonna be like DMM ones where we get shit on the weekend?
Also, do feng shui masters do their full attack as hp to 3x people or is it 1/3 of attack to 3 people?

If we go by the DMM timeline: Pretty far in the future. But for quality of life updates it's pretty random when we get them. We might get them later or never but there is also a chance we get them way earlier than DMM did.

It's their full attack for each target. It's not split amongst the targets. Which is why feng shui masters have less attack than healers in general.

 

[ShinyAfro]

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Noone knows when the first part will happen but as for feng shui they do their full attack to 3x people. For example with skill and dancer, I can get Marr to heal 9 people for 1100 health each, there's no way she heals 122 per person when I do that, the only thing that has ever managed to beat Marrs aoe heals was a almost dead mummy mage who oneshot half my team.

I got marr CC'd currently trying to awaken, which will be my second unit to awaken, after sybilla. Is waltz worth leveling? I got her from gold rush, non-CR'd and no skill ups.