(Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)

[Nirhael]

Re: (Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)

Well, that's another shocker, I've got to stop max-leveling AWed units.

Spoiler

3 spare Irises (original from Premium, one as level 10 reward, one from Gold Rush and one from 2k)=1 SU, 3 CR
5 Rainbow Fairies=3 SU

28 Platinum Armours and 18 Gold Fairies left, at least two of the Golds I'll be using for practically forever are perfect now.

 

[razisgosu]

Re: (Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)

Well, that's another shocker, I've got to stop max-leveling AWed units.

Spoiler

3 spare Irises (original from Premium, one as level 10 reward, one from Gold Rush and one from 2k)=1 SU, 3 CR
5 Rainbow Fairies=3 SU

28 Platinum Armours and 18 Gold Fairies left, at least two of the Golds I'll be using for practically forever are perfect now.

That is a really cute sprite. I approve.

 

[Eab1990]

Re: (Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)

Well, that's another shocker, I've got to stop max-leveling AWed units.

Spoiler

3 spare Irises (original from Premium, one as level 10 reward, one from Gold Rush and one from 2k)=1 SU, 3 CR
5 Rainbow Fairies=3 SU

28 Platinum Armours and 18 Gold Fairies left, at least two of the Golds I'll be using for practically forever are perfect now.

I still can't get the last fucking mincost on her. ;_;

 

[AE1992]

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Alright, thanks for the replies. Hopefully we will get something to increase amount of DC we can get soon, I want to awaken more of my units

 

[Eab1990]

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You could be like me and spend six SCs to get 150 DCs in a day.

Probably a better use of my SCs than rolling premium and getting a silver. Although my last roll gave me another Assal, so I'm not complaining this time.

 

[anon423]

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Can someone, anyone provide me some examples of the hard stats of enemies being changed between their appearance in a DMM original event and a DMM revival version of the same event?

Nobody said "stats" were changed, Eab said enemies were made more difficult and increased attack speed, physical attack changed to magic or ninja's attack pattern change or red dragon change during Claudia all count for "more difficult". Its a fact that we got harder version on nutaku than original DMM version.

For hard numbers, original Beatorica and Claudia events had fish shoot at 76 frames, Claudia revival had fish shoot at 26 frames, which is 3x DPS increase. Nutaku got 26 frames fish for both Beatrica and Claudia for first event. DMM got 76 frames fish for Beatrica revival.

 

[Xovian]

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You could be like me and spend six SCs to get 150 DCs in a day.

Probably a better use of my SCs than rolling premium and getting a silver. Although my last roll gave me another Assal, so I'm not complaining this time.

I did 500 today so I could finish off the last of my team. Too much? Maybe, I only had like 50ish left over from last week. No idea how many SC I spent for em though. The last 2 weeks I've been spending all the ones I earned from all the previous events, since roughly June of last year. Hadn't really used any since I hit 200 back then. Hadn't really progressed in that regard either (leveling, just hit 207 today).

Even though I only have one SC left, I think I made very good use of all SC and even the units I had pre-CC'ed. It's been a long time to see this finally come, and while the team still has some building to do, to finish em off, it's not a bad start.

 

[Eab1990]

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Nobody said "stats" were changed, Eab said enemies were made more difficult and increased attack speed, physical attack changed to magic or ninja's attack pattern change or red dragon change during Claudia all count for "more difficult". Its a fact that we got harder version on nutaku than original DMM version.

For hard numbers, original Beatorica and Claudia events had fish shoot at 76 frames, Claudia revival had fish shoot at 26 frames, which is 3x DPS increase. Nutaku got 26 frames fish for both Beatrica and Claudia for first event. DMM got 76 frames fish for Beatrica revival.

To be fair, there WERE people claiming that Claudia's dragons got more health when grounded in our version, and that they couldn't use DMM debut strats because of it. I wouldn't know because I didn't use any of those videos to begin with (Nanaly as usual trivializing most difficulties), so I can't confirm them.

 

[anon423]

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To be fair, there WERE people claiming that Claudia's dragons got more health when grounded in our version, and that they couldn't use DMM debut strats because of it. I wouldn't know because I didn't use any of those videos to begin with (Nanaly as usual trivializing most difficulties), so I can't confirm them.

Yes, just as I mentioned, red dragon certainly was changed. But I'm not sure what exactly was changed and couldn't find numbers. I ran nasu's video on nutaku myself once to check it and using nasu's units couldn't deal same amount of damage to red dragon that original video had, so its either HP buff or MR buff.

 

[exkale]

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Then a link to his video would be helpful to determine whether or not the dragons were buffed. If it was recorded during the revival version, then he should be using archers that were rebalanced to have a weaker version of their AW class passive. If it was recorded on the original version, then it can be used as a comparison.

You know, I don't even know the dates of the events, so what I'm saying might not be relevant at all.

 

[anon423]

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Then a link to his video would be helpful to determine whether or not the dragons were buffed. If it was recorded during the revival version, then he should be using archers that were rebalanced to have a weaker version of their AW class passive. If it was recorded on the original version, then it can be used as a comparison.

You know, I don't even know the dates of the events, so what I'm saying might not be relevant at all.

I'm talking about this video: original Claudia event on DMM,

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He's using 2 Calliopes to kill red dragon, and dragon's second form dies very fast under magic fire.

I did same with even better levelled witches during Nutaku Claudia event, but dragon's second form reached prince with half of bar left and fried all healers. Had to abandon following video at that point and salvage it with backup plats.

 

[Daverost]

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Yes, just as I mentioned, red dragon certainly was changed. But I'm not sure what exactly was changed and couldn't find numbers. I ran nasu's video on nutaku myself once to check it and using nasu's units couldn't deal same amount of damage to red dragon that original video had, so its either HP buff or MR buff.

IIRC it was both. It eats more physical damage as well, but I think someone said MR was boosted to 70 for revival versions and it was nowhere near that high in the original map.

And just so we get this out of the way, here's irrefutable proof of the swimming fish changing between Claudia's original and revival events.

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Any other number of units have been noted from as far back as the Ryujin events as being revival versions as well (though in that one instance they're easier since the dragonewts were changed to physical damage, making them easier to tank, everything else has been made harder).

I can't believe we're a year into these changes and people are still asking for proof. (Not you, anon423.)

 

[Orion]

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Comparison videos for Red Dragon.

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key kii even mentions that they couldn't replicate the video.

If I recall, it was mentioned awhile ago and like several times, that Revivals are basically harder versions of the original.

 

[omega780]

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I'm starting to think that the Jap Aigis devs just hate nutaku players.

 

[Orion]

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http://www.ulmf.org/bbs/showpost.php?p=710579&postcount=10207

I knew asked about it.

In hindsight, I also forgot to ask if new accounts are affected. I know that Nirhael mentions in their post "Star trials and item collection ones are never brought back in their original forms", so is that server wide? So, say I make a new account I'll still have to collect the unit via Revival Crystals and I'll never be able to do the Star Objective?

 

[anon423]

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So, say I make a new account I'll still have to collect the unit via Revival Crystals and I'll never be able to do the Star Objective?

Yes. Its revival crystals for everyone, and you have to invest huge amount of SC if you want to mincost ex-trial unit.

 

[Karsuman]

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Revival events for star trials are especially painful given that they were originally free SC.

 

[Orion]

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Yes. Its revival crystals for everyone, and you have to invest huge amount of SC if you want to mincost ex-trial unit.

Essh, that's pretty harsh for new players or players that are unfortunate enough to miss those events. Good thing I started when I did and managed to be here for every Event that's come out. Thanks for the answer.

 

[Trollwut]

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So am I the only one here with laggy and laggier aigis each passing day?
Didn't see any complain here for few pages back.
FFFing commision sortie took around 30 second for me....

 

[Nattorei]

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Nobody said "stats" were changed, Eab said enemies were made more difficult and increased attack speed, physical attack changed to magic or ninja's attack pattern change or red dragon change during Claudia all count for "more difficult". Its a fact that we got harder version on nutaku than original DMM version.

For hard numbers, original Beatorica and Claudia events had fish shoot at 76 frames, Claudia revival had fish shoot at 26 frames, which is 3x DPS increase. Nutaku got 26 frames fish for both Beatrica and Claudia for first event. DMM got 76 frames fish for Beatrica revival.

Well what cause for an event being harder could there be except for buffed enemy stats? Right now, the only two justified cases of buffed enemies are the increased attack speed of the sahuagin, which apparently are taken from a different event, and the red dragon buff.

I checked the wiki and there was no data that the dragons got buffed for Claudia's revival. And regardless, why only the red dragon and why only the walking form?