SnowSakura
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I've been wondering this for awhile but why aren't there any bronze healers?
**first part**
Duelist Classes are
Rogue
Bandit
Valkirie
Princess
Princess>Bandit>Valkirie>Rogue
@lafate
well i'm not expert on deciding what role with those tag that u give since i always look at these unit as individual.
I mean they have more to their own uniqueness on their own for example a defensive valk (ellaine) sometime i use them as replacement for my HA to tank a ranged enemy (don't have enuff cost to deploy HA).
regarding how you want to put tag on them, well i think its up to you since you the 1 coming up with this system. All im helping is giving info what these unit class capable to do, and what ppl usually use them for, whether they can be replaced with similar unit or not.
Ah... just like any tower defense game, the lack of cost and position of unit strategy is the major part. As for alchemist low atk arguement we already had discussion in jp thread there
. At 1st i didn't know her atk is low too hence why i farmed her T_T
Thanks for explaining, though my main point was how the Valkyrie is mainly irrelevant for people just starting out, I've been looking for decent starter guides a bit and most of them only talk about mid-late game, very little info on how to effectively build a starting army or which units to prioritize for leveling/CE.
All I've found so far is things like "don't use your silver units for CC!" which wasn't really intuitive as you'd think (early on) that one less UP and a better skill is worth the single silver unit you'd lose, especially when you get to a map like Remnant Vanquish 2, where every point at the start counts.
Also mages being incredibly valuable seems to be a worthwhile hint as your starting dudes aren't going to be taking many hits from heavy armor enemies and you need their firepower to take out the red gargoyles as well.
But yea, the question remains, what units should I be spending my early resources on? ;_;
First use your resources on Katie. She can double as a HA when youre in trouble and she also has many other good atributes. she has decent attack and can stop Rushes, while increasing your points. (this makes Soldiers the most important class in the early game)
Archers should be your second option. as they can keep Katie Alive by killing the mob.
a healer should be third as Katie will need more life as maps continue.
lastly a HA.(Leanne being the only "free" option. as she can keep enemies from Katie by placing her in front.
after that get a duelist. (any duelist Really) and keep them in fron of your HA.
Duelist Classes are
Rogue
Bandit
Valkirie
Princess
Princess>Bandit>Valkirie>Rogue
Correction Rogues are Anti-Rush and Ganking units not duelist. They are to frail to be duelist. Even with proper support they can die quickly.
i ctually forgot to put in my list (this is the value at the begining of the game each unit has a diferent role in the late game)I agree with your first conclusions, and tactical strats for low level (new) players. However your dislike of rogues makes you under value them a bit more then you should, and an undue bias. But everyone's play styles will differ. At early levels it is important to experiment to find what is right for the player.
My rating for a low / mid level player is thus:
Princess>Rogue>Valkyrie>Bandit
Here's why:
At early levels a bandit is the most useless unit you can use, they attack too slowly for them to kill anything of value and why they have high attack, at early levels they are not two shotting anything and they become a hindrance until they are leveled, because so much gets past them and so much healing resources have to be devoted to them. If they are less then level 30, extreme care must be used in placing them.
For role purposes certain classes are going to be better at different things but also multiple things, these multi roles are even more important when you are new player, as you are not going to be brute forcing your way through anything.
--A rogue is also an anti rush unit as well as a duelist.
--Valkyrie are the second best "tank" to an HA you can get at early levels. They also serve the dual purpose of increasing UC to get bigger and better units out like those mages in a rush map.
Food for thought.
I will differ here with you for one reason. Valkyrie have MR and high HP, granted not as high as a Bandit. This gives a Valkyrie an edge over the bandit in that role, this becomes exponentially increased as the units are leveled due to the other benefits of a Valkyrie, as the bandits gain nothing further other then high HP and ATK, and their atk speed remains consistently slow.Bandits are meant to tank magic units.
like those pesky mages and magic dragons in the current maps. no other unit can beat those. also Strong bosses can be beaten with one well placed Bandit. (i know that most Bandits are male but that doesnt means that theyre bad)
Decent Youtube vid of itYou must be registered to see the linksPhalanax 3 map.
Wished they'd have waited on using the skill till the end wave though.
I'm curious about valkyries now with a unit like anya, are there any valkyries that can block 2 units in the dmm version?
This is not fully correct either.
They are a duelist but they are limited on what they are duelist with.
Obviously placing them in front of heavy armor is pointless they can not take them on easily, and can die quickly to them as you say. However heavy armor are not the only tough enemies either. Red wolves, they work wonders against, high atk / but slow swing enemies they work well against due to their dodge mechanic. This also is proven with later maps such as Dwarfs and Giants where the enemies attack will flatten the majority of units including HA's. Rogues have a purpose beyond just mere anti-rush, but like all duelists there is a time and place for each of them.
My opinion on bandit, basicaly a high dmg unit with high hp, faster killer than valk for sure
I think the underlying issue here is how you are defining tank.Can Valkyies tank some things? Yes they can, but they themselves are not tanks. Can a rogue duel? Sure, but the class as a whole are not duelists.
Tank.-Stops Enemies but needs Support to kill.
Duelist.-Melee unit that can kill but cant survive by itself (low HP/Def)
sorry for starting this whole Debate.
Also maybe we should start with Melee Class Guides...