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(Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)


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Wat. Gellius is muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuch better tank than Maribell. Much better raw stats, much better skill, usable unlimited number of times, and he can tank both physical and magical damage.

His skill is worthless, because all the units you can get to max it out are only available via the Shrine. So the only chance to get a lot out of him is to gamble a lot of SCs. And considering how many units are tied to the shrine and how few units feature the higher Increase Defense skills, maxing his skill is highly improbable.

Secondly, I have other units that I bring to tank magical damage. I don't expect magical tanking out of my tanks.

Third, getting his affection bonuses is a pain in the ass. You only occasionally get the booze items for that, making him a more general pain to max affection/trust on. Maribel is much easier to max out.

Fourth, lowering his UC. Since he's so rare and hard to get, he, like every other premium unit, is very difficult to min-cost. Maribel, as an event unit, is much easier to max out her stats, max her affection, skill, and min-cost her UC. Right now, she is a 5/5 skill and -2 UC for me, putting her in a better position than Gellius, where I can use her more often, due to lower UC, and get more use out of her, thanks to her maxed out skill.

Finally, we're comparing potential VS actual use. As someone with a very basic CC'd Gellius, NONE of his potential is realized. And as someone with very few HAs, I can't afford to Awaken both Gellius and Maribel. I have to think carefully about whom I will Awaken and I'm currently leaning towards Maribel, simply because she's in a much better position than Gellius currently is. Also, while Gellius does get that +10 MR at awakening, Maribel gets the potentially more useful Miracle Shield, which is a 15% chance to ignore all damage.

It's easy to say that Gellius is the better unit, when maxed out. Sure, that's plain to see. But I have to consider what I have access to and the reality is that I, currently, cannot use Gellius to his best potential. As is, I won't even be able to Awaken Maribel for a long, long time. I simply don't have enough CC'd HAs and the like to spare, since what few HA spares I have will likely go to CCing Maribel, then I'll need to hope to get more so I can Awaken her. I also need to affection grind her to 100% to get the most I can out of her.

Let me be explicitly honest here. In his basic form, Gellius isn't good as compared to a nearly perfect Maribel. Once I get Gellius to his potential, sure, I'll use him instead of her as my main HA. But, for now, that's something to shoot for, but currently out of my reach.
 
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Rainbow Spirits. They are thing, you know)
As well as Male Affection Daily.
And usually when you need to pull an Awakened Heavy, you have all the UP to do so, as they cost is so hefty they are mid-to-late deploy units anyway, CR or not.

And while you may put a resources and effort to raise any unit, even one you will replace anyway later on, why?
 
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His skill is worthless, because all the units you can get to max it out are only available via the Shrine. So the only chance to get a lot out of him is to gamble a lot of SCs. And considering how many units are tied to the shrine and how few units feature the higher Increase Defense skills, maxing his skill is highly improbable.

Secondly, I have other units that I bring to tank magical damage. I don't expect magical tanking out of my tanks.

Third, getting his affection bonuses is a pain in the ass. You only occasionally get the booze items for that, making him a more general pain to max affection/trust on. Maribel is much easier to max out.

Fourth, lowering his UC. Since he's so rare and hard to get, he, like every other premium unit, is very difficult to min-cost. Maribel, as an event unit, is much easier to max out her stats, max her affection, skill, and min-cost her UC. Right now, she is a 5/5 skill and -2 UC for me, putting her in a better position than Gellius, where I can use her more often, due to lower UC, and get more use out of her, thanks to her maxed out skill.

Finally, we're comparing potential VS actual use. As someone with a very basic CC'd Gellius, NONE of his potential is realized. And as someone with very few HAs, I can't afford to Awaken both Gellius and Maribel. I have to think carefully about whom I will Awaken and I'm currently leaning towards Maribel, simply because she's in a much better position than Gellius currently is. Also, while Gellius does get that +10 MR at awakening, Maribel gets the potentially more useful Miracle Shield, which is a 15% chance to ignore all damage.

It's easy to say that Gellius is the better unit, when maxed out. Sure, that's plain to see. But I have to consider what I have access to and the reality is that I, currently, cannot use Gellius to his best potential. As is, I won't even be able to Awaken Maribel for a long, long time. I simply don't have enough CC'd HAs and the like to spare, since what few HA spares I have will likely go to CCing Maribel, then I'll need to hope to get more so I can Awaken her. I also need to affection grind her to 100% to get the most I can out of her.

Let me be explicitly honest here. In his basic form, Gellius isn't good as compared to a nearly perfect Maribel. Once I get Gellius to his potential, sure, I'll use him instead of her as my main HA. But, for now, that's something to shoot for, but currently out of my reach.

for his skill rainbow fairys are a thing and you shouldnt need to worry bout skill for a while
for beer just run male dailys every now and then the 60 3 map can be completed with irons as seen or the 80 3 would take 4 silvers as seen
for the rest just dump the time and effort you would have into maribel into jelius hes a much much better unit

edit:just remembered we dont have this feature yet but there are ac quests on event that give cr faries that you can easily shove on high cost units of your choice
 
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Re: (Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)

Ah, it's been a while since we saw Shyao posting shit as usual.

It's almost refreshing.
 
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He said "his" Gellius, which isn't probably even CC'd.

Lv him up. you will never regret.

Also an advice: when you compare units, you compare them at similar condition
 
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He said "his" Gellius, which isn't probably even CC'd.

Lv him up. you will never regret.

Some people neglect to read that part
Making the some "rage" post looks stupid , lol
 
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Finally, we're comparing potential VS actual use. As someone with a very basic CC'd Gellius, NONE of his potential is realized. And as someone with very few HAs, I can't afford to Awaken both Gellius and Maribel. I have to think carefully about whom I will Awaken and I'm currently leaning towards Maribel, simply because she's in a much better position than Gellius currently is.

That's a great way to see it. Right now unit A is better than unit B. If I level them both to the same level using the same ressources B will be a lot better. Let's level unit A, cause she is better now, who cares about potential.

Especially as someone with very few ressources you'll want to put those few ressources into units that are worth it. Having pulled Gellius from the Shrine is a blessing, lot's of people wish they'd had the luck.

Several people already said that skill ups through rainbow faries and affection through wednesday daily (you'll need maybe two wednesdays) are not a problem at all, but: Let's compare Gellius and Maribel just for fun. I'll assume both are CC70, Gellius with skill level 1 and Maribel with skill level 5:
Maribel has 307 def + 60 through affection: 367 in total.
Gellius has 461 def + 30 through affection: 491 in total. (or 34 % more)
During skill (5/5) Maribel will have x2.0, which is 734.
During skill (1/5) Gellius will have x1.6, which is 785. (or 7 % more)
Oh, look at that. Even at skill level 1 Gellius is better than maxed out Maribel.
(And I didn't even mention the +800 HP, which is important for a tank as well)

There are only two things speaking for Maribel over Gellius:
a) Higher attack during skill (which is argueably useless)
b) Lower cost (which is not as important is it seems, since HAs are expencive as shit anyways. When you deploy them, you want them to be as strong as possible)
 
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Re: (Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)

He said "his" Gellius, which isn't probably even CC'd.

Which is still wrong because a Gellius straight out of the shrine can still tank better than Maribel. He just won't be doing damage since that's not his thing.
 
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Which is still wrong because a Gellius straight out of the shrine can still tank better than Maribel. He just won't be doing damage since that's not his thing.

what if it's lv35 Gelllius 0% vs lv50cclv50 100% Maribel!?

Point is that arguing over non-optimal configuration is useless
 
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I doubt her fresh Maribel from this event is more than "basic CC'd".

Neither you nor I know the details of his barrack.
Well, it's not even worth knowing as soon as I see "basic CC"
I repeat - Point is that arguing over non-optimal configuration is useless

Who the hell cares about lv27 unit vs lv44 unit fight-to-the-desu?

You just tell him to "come back when u lv ur shit up" and ignore the rest of pointless babble.
 
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You just tell him to "come back when u lv ur shit up" and ignore the rest of pointless babble.

xD I like that way of thinking^^
 
Re: (Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)

He said "his" Gellius, which isn't probably even CC'd.

Lv him up. you will never regret.

Also an advice: when you compare units, you compare them at similar condition

My Gellius was CC'd at 50 and is currently level 37. My Leeanne, also CC'd at 50, is level 40. My Maribel is pre-CC, at level 35.

I just prefer my tanks have more attack, since I'm of the opinion that killing what they're tanking faster results in less damage in the long run, especially when your tank has a healer nearby.

Also, for those saying to do the male affection maps, well... Hard to want to do that when it essentially cuts off your access to 90% of your units. Many of which are my best units. About the only good male units I have are Gellius, Robert, and Julian. I also have a Marius, but my god, his extremely low range, even when CC'd, is god awful.

Also, just checked and apparently I did put some work into Gellius' trust. He's just nowhere near maxed out.
 
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Neither you nor I know the details of his barrack.
Well, it's not even worth knowing as soon as I see "basic CC"
I repeat - Point is that arguing over non-optimal configuration is useless

Who the hell cares about lv27 unit vs lv44 unit fight-to-the-desu?

You just tell him to "come back when u lv ur shit up" and ignore the rest of pointless babble.

By "basic CC", I mean he's CC'd, but otherwise basic. Level 1 skill and no UC reduction. I CC all units at 50, at least until it comes time to raise up some units for awakenings.

Ah, it's been a while since we saw Shyao posting shit as usual.

It's almost refreshing.

Sorry, but I've never been afraid to state my opinions. Keep in mind that I know Gellius is powerful; I can see that from his wiki entry and those stats. I just have to be realistic. What units can I get the most out of right now? That's how I play. Maybe it's a bad idea, maybe it's not the smartest way to play, but it is the way I play, my gameplay style.
 
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I also have a Marius, but my god, his extremely low range, even when CC'd, is god awful.

Also, just checked and apparently I did put some work into Gellius' trust. He's just nowhere near maxed out.

Ok dafuq your talking about, Marius has a range of 260 after CC and now compare it to your best mage with only 240 range. :rolleyes:
 
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Ok dafuq your talking about, Marius has a range of 260 after CC and now compare it to your best mage with only 240 range. :rolleyes:

I just checked and you're right. Why the hell am I not using this guy? My bad.

I haven't used him in nearly a year. Clearly, my memories are wrong.

And good lord, CC'd at 50, level 24 right now, and his Attack is 515. Holy crap.
 
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By "basic CC", I mean he's CC'd, but otherwise basic. Level 1 skill and no UC reduction. I CC all units at 50, at least until it comes time to raise up some units for awakenings.

I have no idea why you are telling me all these.
I'm just recommending you to lv him up regardless of what his current stutus is.
If you are not gonna lv him up, it's only your loss.

"My Gellius" has a place even in my team of Planet Destroyers of Doom.
 
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I have no idea why you are telling me all these.
I'm just recommending you to lv him up regardless of what his current stutus is.
If you are not gonna lv him up, it's only your loss.

"My Gellius" has a place even in my team of Planet Destroyers of Doom.

Sorry. My mind compels me to explain things like that. It's just how my brain works.
 
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His skill is worthless, because all the units you can get to max it out are only available via the Shrine. So the only chance to get a lot out of him is to gamble a lot of SCs. And considering how many units are tied to the shrine and how few units feature the higher Increase Defense skills, maxing his skill is highly improbable.

Secondly, I have other units that I bring to tank magical damage. I don't expect magical tanking out of my tanks.

Third, getting his affection bonuses is a pain in the ass. You only occasionally get the booze items for that, making him a more general pain to max affection/trust on. Maribel is much easier to max out.

Fourth, lowering his UC. Since he's so rare and hard to get, he, like every other premium unit, is very difficult to min-cost. Maribel, as an event unit, is much easier to max out her stats, max her affection, skill, and min-cost her UC. Right now, she is a 5/5 skill and -2 UC for me, putting her in a better position than Gellius, where I can use her more often, due to lower UC, and get more use out of her, thanks to her maxed out skill.

Finally, we're comparing potential VS actual use. As someone with a very basic CC'd Gellius, NONE of his potential is realized. And as someone with very few HAs, I can't afford to Awaken both Gellius and Maribel. I have to think carefully about whom I will Awaken and I'm currently leaning towards Maribel, simply because she's in a much better position than Gellius currently is. Also, while Gellius does get that +10 MR at awakening, Maribel gets the potentially more useful Miracle Shield, which is a 15% chance to ignore all damage.

It's easy to say that Gellius is the better unit, when maxed out. Sure, that's plain to see. But I have to consider what I have access to and the reality is that I, currently, cannot use Gellius to his best potential. As is, I won't even be able to Awaken Maribel for a long, long time. I simply don't have enough CC'd HAs and the like to spare, since what few HA spares I have will likely go to CCing Maribel, then I'll need to hope to get more so I can Awaken her. I also need to affection grind her to 100% to get the most I can out of her.

Let me be explicitly honest here. In his basic form, Gellius isn't good as compared to a nearly perfect Maribel. Once I get Gellius to his potential, sure, I'll use him instead of her as my main HA. But, for now, that's something to shoot for, but currently out of my reach.

Why waste all that investment on an inferior tank? You say you know Gellius is better once maxed, why not invest in him? Even without max skill, at rank 1 Gellius gets 60% bonus defense. With his defensive statistic much higher than Maribel's he's overall much better for a tank.

You've been playing this game for a long time, between random drops you should have enough alcohol to max 1 male unit at least. If not, spend a week farming the male daily, it isn't difficult to 3 star.
 
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Let him do his stuff and you will see him pestering the forum again later and ask why his Maribel can't tank anything.
 
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