(Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)

Zero Zet · Dec 20, 2016

Re: (Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)

Good timeofaday, brave Princes! It is that time of the week again, so finally, after the week of wait, we have a second half of a event for Black rarity (Dragon) Princess, the one and only Anya! Well, technically for Echidna, but we all know who is the real star here

So let's relive the Return of the Dragon Princess!

Revival runs: 2016-12-20 to 2016-12-27

Rewards
This is a Moment Crystal collection event. You farm event maps for special Moment Crystal drops and use it to buy event target(s) from Trading Post.

(Re)Introducing the

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. First (and currently only) of her special class (meaning, no class evolution necessary), Echidna is a healer-mage hybrid who is normally seen healing injured allies, but piss her off and she pops her skill to unleash her draconic heritage and become a fireball-breathing killing machine

Awakening makes her strengthen all draconic units' health and defense by merely being in the team. And yes, that includes Dragon Riders like Lucille) Skill Awakening whenever it will come to us, turns her into all-healer, restoring health of every unit in range and even buffing defense for draconic units in range as a bonus!

For completeness's sake, as they are still part of the Event Trading Post,
(Re)Introducing the

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. She may be only Gold rarity, and not as tanky as Katie, but she has better attack and, more importantly for Reinforcement soldier, can be min-costed. Awakening gives her ability to improve party's attack power a little (2%) by simply being in team. And Skill Awakening makes her so much worse in her primary role of a ramp that it might as well not exist

Likewise, (Re)Introducing the

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. He (yes, he) might be the first Black rarity event character, but not many would ever put him on the team, as he is capped at level 30. But that is because he was never intended to fight on his own! Right, his only purpose in life is to be reborn into everybody's favorite Black Dragon Princess, Anya!

To make that possible, (Re)Introducing the Spirit of Time Fleur. This fairy can reduce the cost of any unit she is fed to with 100% guarantee! Unfortunately, only one can be obtained per event cycle, and she is necessary component of Class Evolution (or rather, Unsealing) of Dorania into Anya, so if you are new, cost reductions will have to wait.

Last but not least, (Re)Introducing the star of this show, the one, the only, Black

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! A Princess who can block two and (after Awakening) attack them as well. Her Skill, trusty "Holy Blade Ascalon" cuts all (but magical) incoming damage in half! Awakening ability grants her 20% MR. Skill Awakening, whenever it will come to us, turns her skill from defensive into offensive, granting her ability to attack all enemies in range with double the power.

Noted enemies:

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┌───────────┬─────────────┬───────┬──────┬──────┬────┬─────┬─────────────────────┐
│ [B]Name[/B]      │ [B]Attack type[/B] │  [B]HP[/B]   │ [B]Atk[/B]  │ [B]Def[/B]  │ [B]MR[/B] │ [B]AS[/B]  │ [B]Notes[/B]               │ 
╞═══════════╪═════════════╪═══════╪══════╪══════╪════╪═════╪═════════════════════╡
│ [url=http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/millenniumwaraigis/images/6/6b/Lizard_Swordsman.png/revision/latest?cb=20160410200426]Lizard[/url]    │ Physical    │ 420 - │ 210 -│  50  │  0 │  48 │ Is a dragon         │
│ swordsman │ Melee       │ - 600 │- 300 │  50  │  0 │     │ Fast                │
├───────────┼─────────────┼───────┼──────┼──────┼────┼─────┼─────────────────────┤
│ [url=http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/millenniumwaraigis/images/6/65/Lizard_Spearman.png/revision/latest?cb=20160410200406]Lizard[/url]   │ Physical    │ 600 - │ 300 -│  150 │  0 │ 170 │ Is a dragon         │
│ spearman  │ Melee       │ -1000 │- 500 │  150 │  0 │     │ (Claudia delights)  │
├───────────┼─────────────┼───────┼──────┼──────┼────┼─────┼─────────────────────┤
│ [url=http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/millenniumwaraigis/images/0/0b/Lizard_Knight.png/revision/latest?cb=20160410200349]Lizard[/url]   │ Physical    │ 900 - │ 360 -│  150 │  0 │  86 │ Is a dragon         │
│ knight    │ Melee       │- 1000 │- 400 │  150 │  0 │     │ Fast                │
├───────────┼─────────────┼───────┼──────┼──────┼────┼─────┼─────────────────────┤
│ [url=http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/millenniumwaraigis/images/c/c5/Lizard_Axe_Thrower.png/revision/latest?cb=20160410200335]Lizard[/url]   │ Physical    │ 540 - │  300 │   0  │  0 │ 130 │ Is a dragon         │
│ AxeThrower│ Ranged      │ - 600 │  300 │   0  │  0 │     │ Fast'ish            │
├───────────┼─────────────┼───────┼──────┼──────┼────┼─────┼─────────────────────┤
│ [url=http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/millenniumwaraigis/images/4/4d/Dragon_Soldier.png/revision/latest?cb=20160410200319]Dragon[/url]   │ Physical    │ 2800 -│ 490 -│  300 │  0 │ 190 │ Is a dragon         │
│ Warrior   │ Melee       │- 4000 │- 700 │  300 │  0 │     │ (Claudia delights)  │
├───────────┼─────────────┼───────┼──────┼──────┼────┼─────┼─────────────────────┤
│[url=http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/millenniumwaraigis/images/2/26/Dragon_Mage_green.png/revision/latest?cb=20150914185906]GreenDragon[/url]│ Magical AoE │ 800 - │  230 │  120 │  0 │ 170 │ Is a dragon         │
│ Mage      │ Ranged (160)│- 1000 │  230 │  120 │    │     │ (Claudia delights)  │
├───────────┼─────────────┼───────┼──────┼──────┼────┼─────┼─────────────────────┤
│ [url=http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/millenniumwaraigis/images/f/fb/Dragon_Mage_red.png/revision/latest?cb=20160908053935]Red Dragon[/url]│ Magical AoE │ 4800 -│  400 │  400 │  0 │ 170 │ Is a dragon         │
│ Mage      │ Ranged (160)│- 6000 │  400 │  400 │    │     │ (Claudia delights)  │
├───────────┼─────────────┼───────┼──────┼──────┼────┼─────┼─────────────────────┤
│ Dragon    │ Physical    │ 7200 -│ 540 -│  500 │  0 │ 181 │ Is a dragon         │
│ [url=http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/millenniumwaraigis/images/9/9d/Dragon_King.png/revision/latest?cb=20160908053758]King[/url]      │ Melee       │- 8000 │- 750 │  500 │    │     │ (Claudia delights)  │
├───────────┼─────────────┼───────┼──────┼──────┼────┼─────┼─────────────────────┤
│ [url=http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/millenniumwaraigis/images/2/24/The_Grand_Elder.png/revision/latest?cb=20160908053636]Grand     [/url]│ Magical AoE │ 8100 -│  300 │  300 │  0 │ 300 │ Is a dragon         │
│ Elder     │ Ranged (160)│- 9000 │  300 │  300 │    │     │ (Claudia delights)  │
├───────────┼─────────────┼───────┼──────┼──────┼────┼─────┼─────────────────────┤
│ Black     │ Magical all │ 40000 │ 1000 │  300 │  0 │ 300 │ Is a dragon         │
│ [url=https://i.gyazo.com/07ebca51f9a4815b47e8911fcbd5b8fc.png]GrandElder[/url]│ Ranged (160)│       │      │      │    │     │ attacks all in range│
└───────────┴─────────────┴───────┴──────┴──────┴────┴─────┴─────────────────────┘

Stat intervals are with respect to correction multipliers. Last values are for 1.0 correction (90/12 map).
Stat correction: Fugitive: 0.6; A New Invasion: 0.7; Melee: 0.7; Dragonewt 2: 0.8; Ryujin King 2: 0.9; The World of Darkness: 0.9; The Dragon's Nest: 0.9; Depths of the Earth: 0.9; The Grand Elder: 0.9; Surprize Attack of Cunning Dragons: 1.0.

Maps

The Fugitive

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┌──────────┬────╥────────────┬──────╥────────────┬────╥────────────┬────┐
│ [B]Charisma[/B] │ 10 ║ [B]Experience[/B] │   20 ║ [B]Initial UP[/B] │ 15 ║ [B]Max deploy[/B] │  6 │
├──────────┼────╫────────────┼──────╫────────────┼────╫────────────┼────┤
│ [B]Stamina[/B]  │  0 ║ [B]Gold @ 3*[/B]  │  450 ║ [B]Life[/B]       │ 10 ║ [B]Enemies[/B]    │ 23 │
└──────────┴────╨────────────┴──────╨────────────┴────╨────────────┴────┘

Who is the person who suddenly appears being chased by the ryujins? A new battle begins.
Gimmick: -
Map:

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Drops: -
Moment Crystals: -

A New Invasion

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┌──────────┬────╥────────────┬──────╥────────────┬────╥────────────┬────┐
│ [B]Charisma[/B] │ 20 ║ [B]Experience[/B] │  100 ║ [B]Initial UP[/B] │ 20 ║ [B]Max deploy[/B] │  8 │
├──────────┼────╫────────────┼──────╫────────────┼────╫────────────┼────┤
│ [B]Stamina[/B]  │  1 ║ [B]Gold @ 3*[/B]  │  750 ║ [B]Life[/B]       │ 10 ║ [B]Enemies[/B]    │ 38 │
└──────────┴────╨────────────┴──────╨────────────┴────╨────────────┴────┘

Fight against the renewed invasion of the dragon men!
Gimmick: -
Map:

Video:

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Drops:

Moment Crystals: 1x, 1x

Melee

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┌──────────┬────╥────────────┬──────╥────────────┬────╥────────────┬────┐
│ [B]Charisma[/B] │ 30 ║ [B]Experience[/B] │  200 ║ [B]Initial UP[/B] │ 20 ║ [B]Max deploy[/B] │  8 │
├──────────┼────╫────────────┼──────╫────────────┼────╫────────────┼────┤
│ [B]Stamina[/B]  │  2 ║ [B]Gold @ 3*[/B]  │ 1200 ║ [B]Life[/B]       │ 10 ║ [B]Enemies[/B]    │ 63 │
└──────────┴────╨────────────┴──────╨────────────┴────╨────────────┴────┘

Seize victory agianst the intensifying attacks of dragon men!
Gimmick: -
Map:

Video:

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Drops:

Moment Crystals: 1x, 1x, 1x

Dragonewt 2

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┌──────────┬────╥────────────┬──────╥────────────┬────╥────────────┬────┐
│ [B]Charisma[/B] │ 40 ║ [B]Experience[/B] │  300 ║ [B]Initial UP[/B] │ 20 ║ [B]Max deploy[/B] │  8 │
├──────────┼────╫────────────┼──────╫────────────┼────╫────────────┼────┤
│ [B]Stamina[/B]  │  2 ║ [B]Gold @ 3*[/B]  │ 1500 ║ [B]Life[/B]       │ 10 ║ [B]Enemies[/B]    │ 49 │
└──────────┴────╨────────────┴──────╨────────────┴────╨────────────┴────┘

Once more strong enemies are attacking the Temple. Protect your home from Dragonewts!
Gimmick: -
Map:

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Drops:

Moment Crystals: 3x

Ryujin King 2

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┌──────────┬────╥────────────┬──────╥────────────┬────╥────────────┬────┐
│ [B]Charisma[/B] │ 70 ║ [B]Experience[/B] │  400 ║ [B]Initial UP[/B] │ 40 ║ [B]Max deploy[/B] │  8 │
├──────────┼────╫────────────┼──────╫────────────┼────╫────────────┼────┤
│ [B]Stamina[/B]  │  3 ║ [B]Gold @ 3*[/B]  │ 1800 ║ [B]Life[/B]       │ 10 ║ [B]Enemies[/B]    │ 87 │
└──────────┴────╨────────────┴──────╨────────────┴────╨────────────┴────┘

Defeat the ambitions of the dragon people in the final battle aboveground!
Gimmick: -
Map:

Video:

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Drops:

Moment Crystals: 3x, 3x

The World of Darkness

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┌──────────┬────╥────────────┬──────╥────────────┬────╥────────────┬────┐
│ [B]Charisma[/B] │ 30 ║ [B]Experience[/B] │  250 ║ [B]Initial UP[/B] │ 10 ║ [B]Max deploy[/B] │  8 │
├──────────┼────╫────────────┼──────╫────────────┼────╫────────────┼────┤
│ [B]Stamina[/B]  │  3 ║ [B]Gold @ 3*[/B]  │ 1500 ║ [B]Life[/B]       │  5 ║ [B]Enemies[/B]    │ 61 │
└──────────┴────╨────────────┴──────╨────────────┴────╨────────────┴────┘

Breach the caves who were home to invading dragon men!
Gimmick: -
Map:

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Drops:

Moment Crystals: 3x, 3x

The Dragon's Nest

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┌──────────┬────╥────────────┬──────╥────────────┬────╥────────────┬────┐
│ [B]Charisma[/B] │ 35 ║ [B]Experience[/B] │  400 ║ [B]Initial UP[/B] │ 20 ║ [B]Max deploy[/B] │  8 │
├──────────┼────╫────────────┼──────╫────────────┼────╫────────────┼────┤
│ [B]Stamina[/B]  │  4 ║ [B]Gold @ 3*[/B]  │ 1800 ║ [B]Life[/B]       │  5 ║ [B]Enemies[/B]    │ 49 │
└──────────┴────╨────────────┴──────╨────────────┴────╨────────────┴────┘

Infiltrate the nest of Dragon Men and do what you must!
Gimmick: -
Map:

Video:

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Drops:

Moment Crystals: 3x, 3x, 3x

Depths of the Earth

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┌──────────┬────╥────────────┬──────╥────────────┬────╥────────────┬────┐
│ [B]Charisma[/B] │ 40 ║ [B]Experience[/B] │  350 ║ [B]Initial UP[/B] │ 30 ║ [B]Max deploy[/B] │  8 │
├──────────┼────╫────────────┼──────╫────────────┼────╫────────────┼────┤
│ [B]Stamina[/B]  │  5 ║ [B]Gold @ 3*[/B]  │ 1950 ║ [B]Life[/B]       │  5 ║ [B]Enemies[/B]    │ 64 │
└──────────┴────╨────────────┴──────╨────────────┴────╨────────────┴────┘

All-out battle with the main army of ryujin it the depths of the Earth!
Gimmick: -
Map:

Decisive battle with the Ryuujin's king / Defeat the enemy army pouring in!

Video:

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Drops:

Moment Crystals: 5x, 5x, 5x, 5x

The Grand Elder

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┌──────────┬────╥────────────┬──────╥────────────┬────╥────────────┬────┐
│ [B]Charisma[/B] │ 50 ║ [B]Experience[/B] │  400 ║ [B]Initial UP[/B] │ 30 ║ [B]Max deploy[/B] │  8 │
├──────────┼────╫────────────┼──────╫────────────┼────╫────────────┼────┤
│ [B]Stamina[/B]  │  5 ║ [B]Gold @ 3*[/B]  │ 2250 ║ [B]Life[/B]       │  5 ║ [B]Enemies[/B]    │ 80 │
└──────────┴────╨────────────┴──────╨────────────┴────╨────────────┴────┘

To open the path to the better future of for men and ryujin... Face the wrath of the Grand Elder himself!
Gimmick: -
Map:

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Drops:

Moment Crystals: 5x, 5x

Attack of the Chiryu G

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┌──────────┬────╥────────────┬──────╥────────────┬────╥────────────┬─────┐
│ [B]Charisma[/B] │ 90 ║ [B]Experience[/B] │  450 ║ [B]Initial UP[/B] │ 10 ║ [B]Max deploy[/B] │  8  │
├──────────┼────╫────────────┼──────╫────────────┼────╫────────────┼─────┤
│ [B]Stamina[/B]  │ 12 ║ [B]Gold @ 3*[/B]  │ 3300 ║ [B]Life[/B]       │ 20 ║ [B]Enemies[/B]    │ 115 │
└──────────┴────╨────────────┴──────╨────────────┴────╨────────────┴─────┘

Being invited into the depths of caves by Grand Elder... Endure the ambush of dragon men and mount the counterattack!
Gimmick: Increased enemy speed
Map:

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Drops: -
Moment Crystals: 3x, 3x, 3x, 5x, 5x, 5x

Comments about the event

Seeing as it is a revival of an rather ancient event, maps should pose no real problem for any developed army, not to mention Awakened one

Do note however that enemies are numerous, and there are only five life points on some maps, so be careful to not let anybody slip by.) Still, new 90/12 map can be challenging, so take care.
Your main aim her is to grind up as many Moment Crystals as possible. Not only they are needed to buy the copies of event target units, but they also carry over to the next revival. Unfortunately, nearly all maps have rather low payoff. 90/12 map is quite good tho.

All maps but first and last drop Silver Dragon Officer Gadoras and Bronze Ryujin Soldier needed for Anya's unsealing and Anya's (and Echidna's awakening). You need grand total of 3 Gadoras for that, so guaranteed drops will have you covered. Gadoras is also a proud owner of vaulted Increase Attack III / IV skill utilized by quite a number of Shrine units, so is a valid farming target, if you give up on farming MCs on 90/12)
No other silvers or drops to hunt for.(

Revival MC Shop:

Aria - 70 (50 for subsequent);
Dorania - 300 (250 for subsequent, as long as you didn't turn first copy into Anya)
Fleur - 500 (only one copy)
Echidna - 150 (100 for subsequent)

You should be having some MCs in the pocket already, from farming the "Ryuujin Invasion" maps, so proceed accordingly to what you need to buy.
Unspent MCs stay with you and can be used in subsequent Revival Shops to buy other Star / Collection event units.

New Characters Arriving

Note: This is based off of current JP version stats for perfected units.

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┌─────┬──────╥───────┬──────┐
│ [B]HP [/B] │ 2718 ║ [B]Range[/B] │melee │
├─────┼──────╫───────┼──────┤
│ [B]Atk[/B] │  782 ║ [B]Block[/B] │   2  │
├─────┼──────╫───────┼──────┤
│ [B]Def[/B] │  252 ║ [B]Cost [/B] │  11  │
├─────┼──────╫───────┼──────┤
│ [B]MR [/B] │   0  ║       │      │
└─────┴──────╨───────┴──────┘

Skill: Rush!: 20s; post-attack delay is shortened (attack speed up); AS: 31; WT: 15; CT: 30
Awakened Ability: Auto Heal: HP gradually recovers (20HP/0.5s. Disabled by paralysis).
Awakened Skill (NI): Spinning Claw: ; attack and HP 2.2x ; true damage; skill weakened afterwards (*2nd use: Atk and HP 1.6x; 3rd and rest: 1.2x); AS: 53; WT: 15; CT: 30

New Classes Being Introduced

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Tesseract · Dec 20, 2016

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Pretty good week to blow some SCs on refills;

-Gadoras farming
-CM farming (Crystal of Memory acronym?)
-Orb farming
-Daily farming
-4⋆ level completion (best done during reward bonus week)

Random rant:
The class system in Aigis is needlessly convoluted. Too many classes with 2-3 total units in them that are nearly identical to other classes. All it does is add more unnecessary clutter to the menus. The awakening orb system seems half baked because of this. Could easily have just a handful of orb types and it would feel much more rewarding and less nonsensical.

Fayne · Dec 20, 2016

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Tesseract said:
-CM farming (Crystal of Memory acronym?)
-4⋆ level completion (best done during reward bonus week)

Random rant:
The class system in Aigis is needlessly convoluted. Too many classes with 2-3 total units in them that are nearly identical to other classes. All it does is add more unnecessary clutter to the menus. The awakening orb system seems half baked because of this. Could easily have just a handful of orb types and it would feel much more rewarding and less nonsensical.

The Crystals of Memeroy used to be called revival crystals (RCs) until Rainbow Crystals appeared, which have the same abbreviation. Therefore most abbreviate them as RevCs or YCs for yellow crystals.

4star completion is actually best done outside of the reward bonus week, as they don't drop any units and give only gold and prince exp, both of which are not boosted. So unless you need SCs or don't really care about orbs or unit exp you shouldn't do them this week.

I'm fine with the diversity of units. Actually it's one point I like about Aigis.

Angelic Berserker · Dec 20, 2016

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just spent 150 crystals and im fucking pissed, not one black just a bunch of crap units. fucking 3 stars in the gacha wtf.

Pegasus rider stella x1, Tactician Jerome x1, got that uru monk x1

vampire hunter kuri x1, court swordwoman sabinne x1, sherry x1

Themis x 2 and a whole bunch of garbage 3 stars.

No black units no Conrad, very discouraging.

0nymous · Dec 20, 2016

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Alright so, I need one, normal Gadoras to unseal Anya. Which I just got. And I can't even get her scenes because I have no affection items left. Damn.
Then I need one Gadoras CC'd to AW Anya.
And another one CC'd if I want to AW Echidna (rather unlikely in my case).
That's 3. And it sucks you can't CC him using his own copy.
The rest of my Gadorases (Gadorasi?), which are a total of 6, are safe fodder for my Cloris to level up her skill.
Am I getting this right?

As for the yellow crystals, I thought we unofficially agreed for MC, as in Moment Crystal, their official translation?

Tesseract · Dec 20, 2016

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Fayne said:
I'm fine with the diversity of units. Actually it's one point I like about Aigis.

I'm definitely not saying there needs to be less diversity. I'm saying that naming each new unit that comes out as a different class and assigning them their own orb is silly. Rogues vs monks, soldiers/samurai/rearguard/dark knight, archer/ranger, dragon knight/valkyrie/pegasus knight, etc. Just name them the same thing. Their individual skills and passives make them more unique than some meaningless class tag. It really makes the class label pointless, and stifles actual diversity and game mechanic creativity (e.g. hey this unit is exactly like a rogue but it blocks TWO units. What an insanely groundbreaking idea!)

For actual new classes, I want to see things like units that move around the map, or able to be upgraded mid fight... or able to be redeployed in a new slot... or huge units/vehicles that take up multiple slots... etc. Not just units with slightly tweaked stats.

Ericridge · Dec 20, 2016

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Angelic Berserker said:
just spent 150 crystals and im fucking pissed, not one black just a bunch of crap units. fucking 3 stars in the gacha wtf.

Pegasus rider stella x1, Tactician Jerome x1, got that uru monk x1

vampire hunter kuri x1, court swordwoman sabinne x1, sherry x1

Themis x 2 and a whole bunch of garbage 3 stars.

No black units no Conrad, very discouraging.

Aigis done trolled you good.

Angelic Berserker · Dec 20, 2016

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Ericridge said:
Aigis done trolled you good.

you damn right it did, three Pirate Monicas but no Conrad? what the fuck?

Xion · Dec 20, 2016

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Angelic Berserker said:
just spent 150 crystals and im fucking pissed, not one black just a bunch of crap units. fucking 3 stars in the gacha wtf.

Pegasus rider stella x1, Tactician Jerome x1, got that uru monk x1

vampire hunter kuri x1, court swordwoman sabinne x1, sherry x1

Themis x 2 and a whole bunch of garbage 3 stars.

No black units no Conrad, very discouraging.

First stop spending SC on gacha, you're too underleveled to make anything out of the units you get even if you get blacks.

Second this is an increase drop week which for a newbir is a pretty good thing since you can farm a lot a get your main team in top shape. Someone already gave you advice on team composition but now you have Jerome one of the best soldiers so use him instead of Katie, also you have Lyla she is a great bandit, loose mortimer and use her.

Third make the most of this days to get the time fairy since Dorania isn't really powerful unless you turn him back into Anya.

PS: You may like males but most of them are useless here, yes some girls aren't that pretty but i tell you even the weakest of the females is better than males in their respectic field.

PSS: Monica and Cuterie are great units that boost the drops for Demon Crystals (DC) and Affection items (flowers, crystals, rubies, diamonds) even if you don't level them up having them in your team while you go farming is a good idea since normally the drop rate is rather low

Sashas · Dec 20, 2016

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Holy fuck, Vincent does not like dragons, he went super saiyan when I used his skill on them today, unloading a good 10 rounds on them without any goddamn time between, that was a good 30 fucking bolts fired in a row on some shitty little dragons.

Fayne · Dec 20, 2016

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Angelic Berserker said:
just spent 150 crystals and im fucking pissed, not one black just a bunch of crap units. fucking 3 stars in the gacha wtf.

That's just the average result, honestly. On average you'll need to spend 167 SC on gacha for a black. It's very well in the range of expecations to need 250+ SC though.
Also it's quite normal for free to play games to give you "useless" low tier units most of the time. That's how these games work. That's why everyone will tell you not to spend money to get a specific unit but to support the game. If you don't want to support the game don't spend money.

Jerome is argueably the best soldier by the way and Sherry is really good as well. (Khuri is a silver unit (3star) as well by the way, so why the individual mention?

0nymous said:
Am I getting this right?

As for the yellow crystals, I thought we unofficially agreed for MC, as in Moment Crystal, their official translation?

Yes.

I'm never gonna call them Moment Crystal or MC. Just because it is official doesn't make it less terrible of a translation.

Tesseract said:
I'm definitely not saying there needs to be less diversity. I'm saying that naming each new unit that comes out as a different class and assigning them their own orb is silly. Rogues vs monks, soldiers/samurai/rearguard/dark knight, archer/ranger, dragon knight/valkyrie/pegasus knight, etc. Just name them the same thing. Their individual skills and passives make them more unique than some meaningless class tag. It really makes the class label pointless, and stifles actual diversity and game mechanic creativity (e.g. hey this unit is exactly like a rogue but it blocks TWO units. What an insanely groundbreaking idea!)

As I said. I can't agree with this.
Every class has specific class traits, which make them different from all other classes.
Rogues can assassinate, Monks can block two units.
Samurai attack all blocked units (3), Front Guard Tacticians (Rearguard is something completely different) reduce the cost of other units, dark knights gain defense when they loose health.
Archers have increased attack against flying enemies, Rangers can lay traps and are somewhat immune against wheather.

For me classes are not supposed to be "groundbreaking". They are supposed to instantly give an idea about their core values (number of blocks, type of damage, range, attack speed etc.). This is way better than having to look at each unit individually what her core traits are again.

Tesseract · Dec 20, 2016

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Xion said:
First stop spending SC on gacha, you're too underleveled to make anything out of the units you get even if you get blacks.

Second this is an increase drop week which for a newbir is a pretty good thing since you can farm a lot a get your main team in top shape. Someone already gave you advice on team composition but now you have Jerome one of the best soldiers so use him instead of Katie, also you have Lyla she is a great bandit, loose mortimer and use her.

Third make the most of this days to get the time fairy since Dorania isn't really powerful unless you turn him back into Anya.

PS: You may like males but most of them are useless here, yes some girls aren't that pretty but i tell you even the weakest of the females is better than males in their respectic field.

PSS: Monica and Cuterie are great units that boost the drops for Demon Crystals (DC) and Affection items (flowers, crystals, rubies, diamonds) even if you don't level them up having them in your team while you go farming is a good idea since normally the drop rate is rather low

I'll echo what Xion said. Spending SC on refills/dailies/events will get you a stronger army much faster than blowing them on premium gacha. Besides, 150 SC is still not that much to expect to get a black out of it. Though, it will get you that plat ticket next month which is nice. But you probably would have been better served by using most of those SCs on other things (xp boost, gold boost, barrack space, refills).

One thing that I disagree with though: there are a handful of male units that are just as strong as (if not stronger than) their female comrades. Jerome is the best example of this. (also, Stray, Vincent, Dark Knight, etc.)

Fayne said:
For me classes are not supposed to be "groundbreaking". They are supposed to instantly give an idea about their core values (number of blocks, type of damage, range, attack speed etc.). This is way better than having to look at each unit individually what her core traits are again.

By that same logic, Rosalie shouldn't be called a soldier, since her skill isn't to call reinforcements, and heavy armors should be called soldiers since they block the same amount. And Sybilla would be a magic fencer and not a princess. Class names are just arbitrary. You still have to look at a unit individually to see what their "core traits" are anyways ("core traits" is also just another arbitrary term). You might as well give each girl their own unique class name at that point.

Ericridge · Dec 20, 2016

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Question, does Gadoras count as soldier for purposes of CCing/awakening a class like Themis? Cuz she requires a CC30 or gold soldier.

soranokira · Dec 20, 2016

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Tesseract said:
I'm definitely not saying there needs to be less diversity. I'm saying that naming each new unit that comes out as a different class and assigning them their own orb is silly. Rogues vs monks, soldiers/samurai/rearguard/dark knight, archer/ranger, dragon knight/valkyrie/pegasus knight, etc. Just name them the same thing. Their individual skills and passives make them more unique than some meaningless class tag. It really makes the class label pointless, and stifles actual diversity and game mechanic creativity (e.g. hey this unit is exactly like a rogue but it blocks TWO units. What an insanely groundbreaking idea!)

rogues and monks have different attack speeds and rogues were meant to be able to assassinate, while monks didn't have that ability. (and maybe you should go take a look at 2AW rogues, which has been introduced.)
soldiers samurai advance guard (i doubt you were thinking rearguard) and dark knight. wth dude, they're all different. soldiers are your common foot soldiers, samurais have significant sweeping power. advance guard ramps in a completely different manner compared to soldiers, and dark knights actually get scaling defense with AW. I'm not even sure how you're thinking they should put together.

archer/ranger, again, are different. no anti-air bonus, different range pre-AW, trap tokens, and weather effect when we actually get sandra's event not too far off as well as eliza's snowstorm.

I want to see things like units that move around the map, or able to be upgraded mid fight... or able to be redeployed in a new slot... or huge units/vehicles that take up multiple slots... etc.

1) rakshasa does that, sort of, since she dies and gets redeployed elsewhere.
2) units with scaling skills (uzume 1-2-3, minerva 1-2-3-4-5, alice and her permanent hp buff etc.)
3) rakshasa.
3) not multiple slot, but tokens that take up deployment slots (stupid makina tank) and tokens that don't take up any deployment slots (elementaler 1st token, rinne token)

maybe you need to stop looking only at nutaku units.

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the english wiki for the japanese side of the game is still in the works but a fair portion has been done up and you can poke around the unit pages for variety that is introduced in aigis.

Angelic Berserker said:
just spent 150 crystals and im fucking pissed, not one black just a bunch of crap units.

Jerome is good. average for a black also happens to be 167 SCs. Sherry also helps a lot.

@fayne anyway, I personally feel Daniela > Kazuha > Soma (since kazuha doesnt have the attack to make full use of her double shot). still, Soma my no.1 choice for silver archer. cute and comes with 30% affection.

The rest of my Gadorases (Gadorasi?), which are a total of 6, are safe fodder for my Cloris to level up her skill.
Am I getting this right?

I'd save gadoras for other units with attack up 3/4, like gold archer claire. Cloris is really not a great unit, especially if you have belinda. still, if you missed belinda, then i guess you can go ahead and level her skill.

edit: @Eric: no, gadoras is a dragon soldier, a class of his own.

Tesseract · Dec 20, 2016

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soranokira said:
rogues and monks have different attack speeds and rogues were meant to be able to assassinate, while monks didn't have that ability. (and maybe you should go take a look at 2AW rogues, which has been introduced.)
soldiers samurai advance guard (i doubt you were thinking rearguard) and dark knight. wth dude, they're all different. soldiers are your common foot soldiers, samurais have significant sweeping power. advance guard ramps in a completely different manner compared to soldiers, and dark knights actually get scaling defense with AW. I'm not even sure how you're thinking they should put together.

archer/ranger, again, are different. no anti-air bonus, different range pre-AW, trap tokens, and weather effect when we actually get sandra's event not too far off as well as eliza's snowstorm.

1) rakshasa does that, sort of, since she dies and gets redeployed elsewhere.
2) units with scaling skills (uzume 1-2-3, minerva 1-2-3-4-5, alice and her permanent hp buff etc.)
3) rakshasa.
3) not multiple slot, but tokens that take up deployment slots (stupid makina tank) and tokens that don't take up any deployment slots (elementaler 1st token, rinne token)

maybe you need to stop looking only at nutaku units.
You must be registered to see the links
the english wiki for the japanese side of the game is still in the works but a fair portion has been done up and you can poke around the unit pages for variety that is introduced in aigis.

Yes yes... factually correct, but that wasn't my point. All I was saying (as just my opinion) was that the differences between these is so negligible that they should just be called the same thing, instead of only having 2-3 units in one class. It would help clean up clutter in the menus/UI (the awakening orb menu is already a mess even without DMM units), give more meaning to class roles, and make actual innovation in units more exciting (cloning a unit, giving it 1.2x attack speed is all fine and good... but slapping a new class name on it is not innovation).

soranokira · Dec 20, 2016

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Tesseract said:
By that same logic, Rosalie shouldn't be called a soldier, since her skill isn't to call reinforcements, and heavy armors should be called soldiers since they block the same amount. And Sybilla would be a magic fencer and not a princess. Class names are just arbitrary. You still have to look at a unit individually to see what their "core traits" are anyways ("core traits" is also just another arbitrary term). You might as well give each girl their own unique class name at that point.

soldiers block 2/3/3 ; heavy armors block 3/3/4. 'same amount'?
by that logic, what are iron and bronze soldiers with no skills supposed to be?

Sybilla is NOT a magic fencer. being ranged during skill and being melee offskill is different from being ranged during skill and being ranged offskill. magic fencers also deal 70% ranged damage and can be physical and thus are options against demons as well, unlike princesses.

edit: 2-3 units in one class eventually expands as more units are added to that class.

Xion · Dec 20, 2016

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Tesseract said:
For actual new classes, I want to see things like units that move around the map, or able to be upgraded mid fight... or able to be redeployed in a new slot... or huge units/vehicles that take up multiple slots... etc. Not just units with slightly tweaked stats.

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Tesseract said:
One thing that I disagree with though: there are a handful of male units that are just as strong as (if not stronger than) their female comrades. Jerome is the best example of this. (also, Stray, Vincent, Dark Knight, etc.)

By that same logic, Rosalie shouldn't be called a soldier, since her skill isn't to call reinforcements, and heavy armors should be called soldiers since they block the same amount. And Sybilla would be a magic fencer and not a princess. Class names are just arbitrary. You still have to look at a unit individually to see what their "core traits" are anyways ("core traits" is also just another arbitrary term). You might as well give each girl their own unique class name at that point.

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You are getting too work up about this, each class has its on caracteristic, more than stats is something related to what they can do outside of skill, is an ability they all own overall (number of enemies block, special trait). Classes give a character an overall trait, more def for heavies, power up as hp goes down for avengers, def overpass for princess, ranged attack from melee for magic fencers. By now means the special abilities of each unit is said to always sinergies with its class. There are some cases in which the unit ability doesn't make a good sinergy with her class trait, Chizuru and Momiji are good examples of this.

Granted some class are way too similar to one another and some even overpower others, but by no means one class is better than the other at their respective job, an example of this is Crytals keepers X and G, if you don't use AW Spica (any archer) or AW Kannon is really hard to 3*it.

PS: Vincent gets crush by Fran/Elizabeth/Lumeria/Khuri (the last one can be CR easier)
Stray gets own by Claire (yeah we have her now)

ONLY males that really defend their gender are: Dark knigth, Jellius, Jerome, AW Prince, Jake and is homo friend Oscar. Of course the recently add White Emperor with is 45s of true damage is also a prime example of male power. The rest just barely makes the cut like boosters or fillers for a male only team, they aren't bad units but the girls are better overall just look at how Dolka the weakest of the healers beats Christopher.

Sashas · Dec 20, 2016

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Tesseract said:
One thing that I disagree with though: there are a handful of male units that are just as strong as (if not stronger than) their female comrades. Jerome is the best example of this. (also, Stray, Vincent, Dark Knight, etc.)

Stray is actually one of the bad males along with Robert, Garrett and Barbastroff(AW), amazing ones are Jerome, Gellius and Marius, great are Conrad, Kojuro, then Vincent, Cyrus and Julian are good but overshadowed by women.
I'm not going into silvers but its much of the same there.

Fayne · Dec 20, 2016

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Tesseract said:
There are a handful of male units that are just as strong as (if not stronger than) their female comrades. Jerome is the best example of this. (also, Stray, Vincent, Dark Knight, etc.)

By that same logic, Rosalie shouldn't be called a soldier, since her skill isn't to call reinforcements, and heavy armors should be called soldiers since they block the same amount. And Sybilla would be a magic fencer and not a princess. Class names are just arbitrary. You still have to look at a unit individually to see what their "core traits" are anyways ("core traits" is also just another arbitrary term). You might as well give each girl their own unique class name at that point.

Vincent has less Atk on average than Khuri (who is only silver rarity). +50 Atk when her skill is not up, -100 Atk when her skill is up with s slightly higher attack speed. So yeah, at AWMax he's about as good or slightly better than a female silver unit at CC50.
Stray is just worse than any other gold archer (all of which are female) and barely better than the silver female archers.

The soldiers class trait is not their skill. Their class trait is being the typical blank melee unit. Mediocre stats, low cost, 2/3 units blocked.
Heavy Armors class trait is blocking 3/4 units with high def values and increased def values and cost after AW.
No, Sybilla is not a Magic Fencer. Magic Fencers can always attack at a range, typically physical and only magical during skill. Furthermore they have decreased attack when attacking from range. Sybilla on the other hand is just like any other Princess. Duelist with good values and always magical damage. Just because her AW ability allows her to attack from a distance doesn't make her closer to a Magic Fencer.
Yes, you have to look at each unit individually. But when you see a unit of any class in a video that you don't own, that doesn't rely on a skill, you are most likely able to replace her by any other unit of the same class when it is of appropriate level.

Tesseract · Dec 20, 2016

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soranokira said:
soldiers block 2/3/3 ; heavy armors block 3/3/4. 'same amount'?
by that logic, what are iron and bronze soldiers with no skills supposed to be?

Sybilla is NOT a magic fencer. being ranged during skill and being melee offskill is different from being ranged during skill and being ranged offskill. magic fencers also deal 70% ranged damage and can be physical and thus are options against demons as well, unlike princesses.

edit: 2-3 units in one class eventually expands as more units are added to that class.

Exactly - what are iron and bronze "soldiers" supposed to be called? They can't be awakened or block 3 enemies soo.... Its just whatever rules they decide to make up. For some reason, you're just listing off facts that we already know. I'm talking about opinions. Why did the devs decide to have Clissa and Elaine in the same class, but not Liddy, even though fundamentally their skill is the only thing that arguably sets them apart? Its all just arbitrary. IMHO there's just too many classes. If you change one tiny little stat, it shouldn't necessitate putting a new unit in entirely different category. It just clutters things up.

Sashas said:
Stray is actually one of the bad males along with Robert, Garrett and Barbastroff(AW), amazing ones are Jerome, Gellius and Marius, great are Conrad, Kojuro, then Vincent, Cyrus and Julian are good but overshadowed by women.
I'm not going into silvers but its much of the same there.

Fayne said:
Vincent has less Atk on average than Khuri (who is only silver rarity). +50 Atk when her skill is not up, -100 Atk when her skill is up with s slightly higher attack speed. So yeah, at AWMax he's about as good or slightly better than a female silver unit at CC50.
Stray is just worse than any other gold archer (all of which are female) and barely better than the silver female archers.

With AW skill, i thought i heard someone say Stray became decent. Anyways...
His argument was that males were always worse than females. My argument was that some males were just as good as some other females. I didn't list males that were better than every other female. But trust internet forums to always take you out of context i guess.

Xion said:
Granted some class are way too similar to one another

This is literally all my original argument was.

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