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That's just the average result, honestly. On average you'll need to spend 167 SC on gacha for a black. It's very well in the range of expecations to need 250+ SC though.

my dumb ass just bought another 300 crystals gonna yolo

magic swordwoman anemoononoe 4 star gold, got some loli wizard melthis 4 star gold, dazaleing shasha, loli archer clarie, seeker garina
a 4th pirate monica!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
maidain bernice
oh boy i got a cyrus
demon warrior gun zola
comander juliuan wooooooooooooooo
warrior flamel
i think im gonna hang myself


i got a black its that yin and yang girl thats great, and a land strategist uzume, got a lilia, super human diina second black
 
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One bonus of having many classes is being able to introduce abilities like "Attack is increased by 10 % for all >insert class x< while this unit is in the sortie" Something that would be untterly broken if there are very few classes and in general many units profit from this bonus (this is why those units that have bonuses for many units are in general hidden in the gacha and therefore unavailable for most people). But with many different classes those abilities are possible and open up new strategies by allowing to boost a single unit to very high values or building a whole team around one or two classes.
 
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Exactly - what are iron and bronze "soldiers" supposed to be called? They can't be awakened or block 3 enemies soo.... Its just whatever rules they decide to make up. For some reason, you're just listing off facts that we already know. I'm talking about opinions. Why did the devs decide to have Clissa and Elaine in the same class, but not Liddy, even though fundamentally their skill is the only thing that arguably sets them apart? Its all just arbitrary. IMHO there's just too many classes. If you change one tiny little stat, it shouldn't necessitate putting a new unit in entirely different category. It just clutters things up.




With AW skill, i thought i heard someone say Stray became decent. Anyways...
His argument was that males were always worse than females. My argument was that some males were just as good as some other females. I didn't list males that were better than every other female. But trust internet forums to always take you out of context i guess.

regarding Liddy, it's because due to her function of aoe-killing-up-generation, her cost is much higher than a valk's. also, when esther and isabelle comes, she and stella are no longer the only ones in the pegasus rider class. (also, horses and winged horses are different, ok?)

regarding the soldier part, fayne's pretty much answered it.
The soldiers class trait is not their skill. Their class trait is being the typical blank melee unit. Mediocre stats, low cost, 2/3 units blocked.
Heavy Armors class trait is blocking 3/4 units with high def values and increased def values and cost after AW.

btw, that's also why altair (black soldier) is actually bad compared to the plats in terms of UP generation, despite having her own use. here's the graph:
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With AW skill, i thought i heard someone say Stray became decent. Anyways...
His argument was that males were always worse than females. My argument was that some males were just as good as some other females. I didn't list males that were better than every other female. But trust internet forums to always take you out of context i guess.

Decent but still worse than any other gold archer.
No, I didn't take you out of context. You said some males (and named Voncent and Stray) were as good or better than their female counterparts.
I told you that Stray is worse than any other female unit of the same rarity and about as good as any female unit from the rarity below. If my statement is correct (which may always differ depending on the point of view) this proves your statement regarding Stray is false.
Same goes for Vincent. Sadly there is no gold Vampire Hunter to compare to. The female platinum ones are so much better it's ridiculous to even try comparing them with him. Therefore I took the silver female VH, again a unit of lower rarity, which is as good. Again, this prooves your statement for Vincent is False.

As others said: Only male units on Nutaku that are as good or better than female units are Gellius, Jerome and Marius.
 
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Exactly - what are iron and bronze "soldiers" supposed to be called? They can't be awakened or block 3 enemies soo.... Its just whatever rules they decide to make up. For some reason, you're just listing off facts that we already know. I'm talking about opinions. Why did the devs decide to have Clissa and Elaine in the same class, but not Liddy, even though fundamentally their skill is the only thing that arguably sets them apart? Its all just arbitrary. IMHO there's just too many classes. If you change one tiny little stat, it shouldn't necessitate putting a new unit in entirely different category. It just clutters things up.

His argument was that males were always worse than females. My argument was that some males were just as good as some other females. I didn't list males that were better than every other female. But trust internet forums to always take you out of context i guess.

Are you F*** kidding me?? Valkyries are melee only and Pegasus Riders can fly, how is that scencially the same?? You are just arguing semantics.

OF COURSE IS ARBITRARY!!!! Is their F*** game if they decided to insert a sausage ridding a horse is gonna be a new class if they want, but is gonna be AW with valkyrie orb since those are the core for certain type of units.

I said that most mens are worse than their females counterpart and listed those who aren't.

I give up, not only your opinion doesn't make sense but is also pointless to continue this farce.

PS: I get your point, yeah too many classes but your mixing to many things together to say it.

my dumb ass just bought another 300 crystals gonna yolo

magic swordwoman anemoononoe 4 star gold

got some loli wizard melthis 4 star gold

a 4th pirate monica!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
maidain bernice

comander juliuan wooooooooooooooo

¬_¬

I get you have money and all but try to be efficent while you play... If not please try to not come here to complain about being underleved and getting your a** handed to you later on.

PS: If you already spend 150 you shouldn't spend more for this month unless you have a crap ton of money to spend if that the case ignore this.
 
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regarding Liddy, it's because due to her function of aoe-killing-up-generation, her cost is much higher than a valk's. also, when esther and isabelle comes, she and stella are no longer the only ones in the pegasus rider class. (also, horses and winged horses are different, ok?)

Yes, I know that is the role of Liddy. His argument was that just because they had a different skill didn't make them a different class. Rosalie has a different skill than other soldiers but is still a soldier. Thus I cited Liddy. Yes I know their differences. I'm just pointing out the flaws in logic. Their class categorizations are just a made up thing not some simple infallible construct. That is how it is in science as well. Something different? Then call it something different. (eg. Should we call this something other than a duck because it doesn't quack as frequently? Or is it because it is white instead of brown?) But how different does it need to be in order to completely categorize it as something else, and require its own awakening orb, etc etc.

Decent but still worse than any other gold archer.
No, I didn't take you out of context. You said some males (and named Voncent and Stray) were as good or better than their female counterparts.
I told you that Stray is worse than any other female unit of the same rarity and about as good as any female unit from the rarity below. If my statement is correct (which may always differ depending on the point of view) this proves your statement regarding Stray is false.
Same goes for Vincent. Sadly there is no gold Vampire Hunter to compare to. The female platinum ones are so much better it's ridiculous to even try comparing them with him. Therefore I took the silver female VH, again a unit of lower rarity, which is as good. Again, this prooves your statement for Vincent is False.

As others said: Only male units on Nutaku that are as good or better than female units are Gellius, Jerome and Marius.

Totally subjective. We could get into arguments with their roles and such (stray having double shot being as useful as another female with better stats, etc.) but those arguments are not mine and are earlier in the thread. I don't really think thats something you can try to catch me on for being "correct" or "false." I actually agree that Stray is one of the least useful archers in my army. But others don't so.....

Are you F*** kidding me?? Valkyries are melee only and Pegasus Riders can fly, how is that scencially the same?? You are just arguing semantics.

OF COURSE IS ARBITRARY!!!! Is their F*** game if they decided to insert a sausage ridding a horse is gonna be a new class if they want, but is gonna be AW with valkyrie orb since those are the core for certain type of units.

I said that most mens are worse than their females counterpart and listed those who aren't.

I give up, not only your opinion doesn't make sense but is also pointless to continue this farce.

PS: I get your point, yeah too many classes but your mixing to many things together to say it.

Yeesh dude no reason to get so heated. I'm only "mixing" things into it because people are taking parts of my posts out of context so I have to try to clarify myself.

One bonus of having many classes is being able to introduce abilities like "Attack is increased by 10 % for all >insert class x< while this unit is in the sortie" Something that would be untterly broken if there are very few classes and in general many units profit from this bonus (this is why those units that have bonuses for many units are in general hidden in the gacha and therefore unavailable for most people). But with many different classes those abilities are possible and open up new strategies by allowing to boost a single unit to very high values or building a whole team around one or two classes.

This is true. It does add a certain level of strategy to building a team. But I don't see it being utilized very much. Most people just have a single concrete team with little incentive to change out units every map to counter enemy/map composition.

Speaking of which, I'm having a good amount of fun with the 4 star challenges. I wish the rest of the game went a little bit further in that direction.
 
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I have zero self control, on the bright side I got a bunch of new units, anyone care to help me out again with a new team?
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I have zero self control, on the bright side I got a bunch of new units, anyone care to help me out again with a new team?
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Garania is one of the better mages. Her skill is perfect for her role, and her awakening passive is good too. She's one of the most often used units I have. I'd focus on leveling her, Jerome, and Mikoto. Especially try to get Jerome awakened.

Edit: but make sure not to neglect leveling your other core classes, such as healers and ranged phys dps
 
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Click on the blue button in the top left corner until your units are sorted by rarity in the future please.

Unit point generation: Uzume, Jerome (and maybe Aria if you get her from this event or Julian/Katie on tight maps)
Healers:Iris and Fedora
Ranged physical: Rachel, Bashira/Spica/Claire (and on some maps you might want to use Khuri or Zola)
Ranged Magical: Mikoto, Garania/ Sasha (both are great, focus on whoever you like better, it's a good idea to level both of them eventually though) and maybe Belinda in some cases
Offensive duelist: Lyla/Sherry
Defensive duelist: Celia/Lilia (out of those two categories you should pick at least one each. One should be a princess [magical damage] and one a bandit [physical damage]. So either Lyla + Lilia or Sherry + Celia)
Tanks: Dina/Jessica (and Anya if you manage to unseal her; and Bernice if you want a cheaper alternative)
Support: Sabinne
Anti-Rush: Misha
 
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An important fact that has not been brought up:

Each has its own assigned growth variables. As each unit in the class levels, they follow this basic progression towards its inevitable end point in regards to their HP, ATK and DEF growth. Units NEVER stray from these variables by themselves. This variable's progression is modified only by starting stats. Passives, affection and so on mask this to a degree.

Along with basic characteristics(is it ranged or melee? how many blocks does it have? does it deal magic or physical damage? does it generate UP on kill? does it have a damage bonus/tokens/aoe as part of its regular attack/a skill activated effect like rune fencers/pegasus? does it have a withdraw bonus?) this is what defines a class in Aigis.

This is true. It does add a certain level of strategy to building a team. But I don't see it being utilized very much.

The major reason for this is because Nutaku Aigis has been incredibly slow in regards to releasing its content until recently. That is to say, most key unit buffers remain unreleased.

If you pay attention to the DMM side though, you'll see high-end players with team compositions like this:

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A melee-centric team with over 50% attack buffs for them, and melee units that can hit range. Has additional buffs for Prince, Emperor, Rune Fencer and Sieglinde.

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Gunpowder-themed combo team with huge boosts for pirates that can let you get out like four pirates within like 30s.



To return to the original point though... my own interpretation is this:

Classes are important for differentiation. I don't know how much you've used rogues and monks, but their performance in action is much different than just the simple addition of +1 block. Pegasus riders cost a lot more valkyries BECAUSE they become 0 block/aoe during skill - their stats are actually worse. Even some of the most samey classes(mages and bishops) are feeling distinctly different as time goes on due to balance changes.

The other, perhaps more important thing - maybe THE most important thing not mentioned - is flavor. Flavor matters. A monk and a rogue should feel different, and they do, through art, aesthetics, animation and so on. Calling the black monk Alice a rogue would be doing her a disservice because she simply doesn't feel like one. Calling Liddy a Valkyrie would be weird because of games like Fire Emblem where there's a distinct separation between standard cavalry and pegasus knights. Even with mages and bishops. No one ever thinks of a mage as a healer, but a bishop? Yeah, I could see that. Aigis thrives on its references and callbacks too. Cornelia is a dark knight, but then becomes a paladin, like a certain dark knight in a Final Fantasy game. This sort of stuff is all over in Aigis.

Putting all characters under six or so labels would be doing everyone a disservice mechanically and flavor-wise. The way it currently is, characters have a much stronger overall identity. This feeling of identity is important to players as Aigis quite deliberately plays at certain fantasies and fetishes its players have.

So yeah, totally fine with a bunch of classes. I just wish they'd hurry up and AW/AW2 more of them in DMM already. :p
 
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I definitely like more variety, it opens up for more strategies and makes more characters viable. If every range or melee unit was the same, it would quickly become stale. The nice part of the game is there are different ways to clear things and use characters you like, OP characters, etc.
 
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Here I hoped I'd improve my mood a bit after wasting 3 SC on trying to 3* the 12 Stamina mission (successfully, but it swallowed those precious SC...) and roll thrice on the premium summon... thinking Aigis would reward me for my trials... or at least give me the Monica for DC farming.


A fucking Valerie
A fucking Saizo
A fucking Giovanni

Three silver male units
...
Fucking bitch

I have 28 SC left but I'm not even going to try.
I'd end up with 5 more silvers knowing my luck.

...at least I have my Anya and Saki...
 
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Aigis is lagging even more now. The menus are all slow and the wait between mission start and being able to place a unit is longer.

I have the hardware acceleration off and cleared out cache. Is there anything else I could do to try and get it to work a bit quicker?
 
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I've done it
I've rolled Liana!
Now I can bitch with everyone else once black iris descends from her heavenly throne
 
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Does cost-reduction done to Sealed Dorania(sp?) carry over when he's unsealed into Anya? Or can you use multiples of him to CR Anya once she's already unsealed?
You don't need to make multiple unsealed copies of her to reduce her cost, do you? That'd be ridiculous.
 
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Does cost-reduction done to Sealed Dorania(sp?) carry over when he's unsealed into Anya? Or can you use multiples of him to CR Anya once she's already unsealed?
You don't need to make multiple unsealed copies of her to reduce her cost, do you? That'd be ridiculous.

Dorania can be cost reduced, but ultimately there's very little point. Anya cannot be cost reduced.
 
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Neither can Dorania by the way.

Edit: Huh, interesting. I never noticed he can.
 
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Neither can Dorania by the way.

According to the wiki he has a min cost of 27, that would lead me to believe he can be min costed.

 
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I have ten gadoras now. This could be a problem because I don't have an intention to get anya. oh boy. First world problems.
 
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I have ten gadoras now. This could be a problem because I don't have an intention to get anya. oh boy. First world problems.

30cc and use him to skill increase your attack IV units
 
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