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D'AAawwwww:'(

Here I go trying to spark a conversation, and you're all just agreeing with my real opinions.

Bleh, screw this, I'm going back to the hentai section.
NEVER turn your back on the hentai section.

I heard it'll try to do dirty things to you

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Because you're not so much starting a debate as stating a fact: Fantasies may be connected to desires not immediately evident in those fantasies. We agree with you because you're right, and there's not many ways to be wrong with a statement like that.
 

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The last I saw this discussed was a few weeks ago. In the debate thread even, where it belonged, so why bring it here randomly to bring up points that have already been brought up.

Also, I'm agreeing with Oni that sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. And a fantasy is sometimes just something sexy to watch. There doesn't need to be hidden meanings behind everything, despite what English teachers want you to believe.
I think you mean Newbie :p
 

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If it bugged me I would have called you out on it. Thanks for apologizing though, and to Oni for pointing out I guess.
 

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Now transfer that over to sex, fetishes, fantasies, whatever. It doesn't "corrupt" you, except maybe on some abstract, self-defined scale of morality that only you can hold yourself to because only you see your own thoughts. It doesn't mean your gonna rip off the first pair of panties you see and shove three tentacles inside.
I'd like to raise two points that might be relevant:
-It's not a matter of corruption, but more something related to acceptance/rejection. By society, friends, God, yourself, and even worse, whatever fantasy version of the previous exists into your head.

-The distinction between fantasy and acts is fuzzy, which means categorization is harder. Hence some people will find easier to put all perverts into the rapist category. When does rape fantasy start to get creepy? When you dream about raping real life people? When you roleplay about it?

I guess what makes me prefer hentai over pornography is the fact that the former is strictly fantasy, while the second still implies flesh people.
 

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Choosing animated sex over 'real' sex is akin to why women tend to choose colored dildos over flesh-toned ones; having things be more 'real' when masturbating can make people feel uncomfortable, and thus it's easier to indulge in masturbation when you let yourself be able to fantasize without much of self-prejudice.
 
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This is a continuation of this from the hate thread:
FUCK!

I hate the complicated semantics and social dances of men and women alike. I hate how we have made the very act of socializing into some huge subliminal monstrosity that for some reason everybody worships. I hate the fact that because, as I have come to realize, my mind works quite differently than other peoples, most people are unable to understand me, or my intentions.

This will continue in the Psychology thread in a little while...
Why can’t people understand me?
It's not because I use hints and tips and gentle nudges to get things through. No, it's because my mind is simple that people can't seem to understand it.
For example: I really enjoy making other people enjoy themselves. I'm overly empathic, so when I can make someone laugh or feel good, then I'm happy.
A chick was drunk, and she's sitting on my lap. She's a friend of mine, and she's having fun, she has had a little too much, and she puts my hands on her tits. Ok, she’s having fun, I’m having fun, and all our clothes are on. Then she starts begging me to please take her to her room for smexings. At that point I say no, and continue with the party. She later starts throwing up, at which point my protective side kicks in and I help her with the throwing up, giving her water and watching over her. The girl she’s sharing a room with tells me that she doesn’t want her to sleep in her room, so I offer for her to sleep in my bed instead but in opposite ends. Her roommate agrees. The roommate later comes back and tells me she can sleep in her room anyways. Probably assuming that I won’t be able to remember anything the next day she actually hints at me taking advantage of the drunken chick.

I wonder why this is so hard to understand. I'm not trying to take advantage of her, I could have done that earlier when she begged me to come to her room for the night, when she wasn’t covered in puke and still conscious enough to have fun with.

I’m simply trying to help, and in helping, and fulfilling the needs of others I get some sort of mental gratification.
Now this is just an example of how people often over-analyze me.
I’m starting to think I should lie more. Honestly, when someone asks me a question, I will most likely try to avoid answering if I don’t want to answer or flat out refuse to answer, rather than lying. The problem with doing this is the fact that because people are obviously so used to everyone telling little lies to conceal their true selves or their shadow selves or whatever you want to call it. Because it’s all they seem to know, everyone just assumes that I have some horrible dark secrets or something. I’ve actually had sober people look me straight in the eye and say to me: “You and I both know that you keep dark secrets.” “It’s fascinating how a lot of people can’t seem to see through you.” “I’m sure your darker side is scary.” And my personal favorite, “I’m watching you, I know you are a whole lot freakier than you’re letting on.”

This is honestly starting to bother me. Have we gotten too much free-time in our daily lives, that to fill it we’ve invented this ridiculous metaphysical game?

Well, so why is this bothering me? Except for the obvious of course, that I don’t really want people to think I’m a serial murderer posing as a nice guy. There’s also the fact that this whole game limits something I treasure greatly. My freedom.
I enjoy being able to act on impulse, to do mildly outrageous things to please people, which in turn pleases me. But when a hug has fifty different meanings, and a light peck on the cheek or lips is half a marriage-proposal, it really limits the things I can do without making people uncomfortable, which in turn makes me uncomfortable.

This entire post is of course a very one-sided look at this whole matter, since I can’t speak for the minds of those around me. After all, their other selves aren’t something they usually advocate a lot. I know that I lack a lot of the barriers most people have. For example the barrier against touching the same sex. I am absolutely heterosexual, but I’m pretty sure I would’ve been able to kiss a guy had it been presented as a challenge. It’s not that I find that attractive and I’d rather avoid it, but I just that I don’t really have the blocks that most people have against “Gayness.” And touch in general. I don’t put a lot of meaning into touching, and if it were up to me, there’d be a lot more touching going around. But because people aren’t comfortable with that, I have put up barriers that I try not to break. When people get drunk, I just adjust my barriers accordingly.

And my next question then is this: If people want to be touched more when they are drunk, does that not mean their subconscious and maybe even their conscious mind wants to touch more, but is restricted by something. And if that is the case, why the hell are we restricting that?

Phew. I humbly present The Great Wall of Psychological annoyance, attempt one. If anyone reading this has a hard time understanding what the hell I’m saying, don’t be ashamed. I’m not really sure myself, as I am very tired. But shoot some nice comments and questions so we can get a discussion going will ya, I really want to understand the minds of people.
 

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Part A: There are established norms in any community, and the group you are dealing with dictates the responses expected. These people are suspicious/curious/confused because you are acting in defiance of the norms and they don't know how to deal with this.

As to the second bit: It sounds like they are treating refusal to answer like a like a hostile response, which makes sense. Again, it is abnormal for someone to flat refuse to answer a question, and people will respond as above mentioned.

As to why you're upset: While playing their game limits your freedom, not playing the game also limits your freedom because it hampers your ability to interact with these people(and their ability to interact with you) effectively. Some small part of you knows this.

Part the fourth: Alcohol lowers inhibitions and reduces judgement. This is a well known, well tested fact. There could be any number of reasons for someone to want to be touched while drunk that are insufficient while sober.


I think I did okay.
 

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Who cares if she thought you were trying to take advantage? Clearly if they're that stupid and/or ignorant, that person is not worth your time and you should ban them from your life. My first reaction would be to explain the fact that I could have taken advantage and didn't because I wasn't interested; my second reaction would be to just not hang out with that person anymore.

Bottom line: Doesn't matter if they thought you were taking advantage or not. You weren't. that's all that matters.
 
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See, if it were like this it would be simple... But my refusal to anwer a question is a last resort, most of them have never gotten that from me, and the ones that have, have gotten it one or two times tops. As for acting in defiance of the norms, yes, I do kinda do that. The funny thing is that it isn't usually my direct actions that make people feel uneasy, as I have explained I try to avoid that. It's when people start thinking too much about possible underlying intentions and implications of those intentions that they get uncomfortable. I am very aware of the fact that to interact with someone you have to follow some kind of suite, but sometimes it just gets rediculous. For example I have informed most if not all of these people that this is how my mind works.

In essence, I guess you can say I think like a child.

And most of these people should be used to this by now. I've spent several hours a day with most of these people for the last year. And we're breaching quite a lot of norms. The guys at the cabin spent three days running around pinching each others nipples with various tools, and smearing themselves with olive-oil and wresteling. I'd say that's not really common.

As for Alias, it's not this spesific event that annoys me, it's the fact that a lot of people fail to grasp that I don't have the duality that a lot of people seem to have, what you see is what you get.

When I say someones hair looks good, it's not so I can hop into bed with them, it's because I think their hair looks good, and I know that hearing that will make that person happy.
 

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It's funny, your situation and mine are polar opposites, Wonderboy. You have few barriers and no 'dark secrets', I've got plenty of both. Maybe it's just the social circles I move in, but I've never had to lie about any of them; I've been able to just shift the conversation away with no issue.

Then again, I'm universally considered a weirdo anyway, so it probably goes with the territory. I got the title role in a production of Jack the Ripper and someone said it was type-casting.

So reading about your situation is interesting. I fully sympathise, but it's not a position I've ever been in, or most likely will ever be in.

From my perspective, though (as a general remark), the most important part of social interaction is self-confidence. If you don't believe in yourself, why should anyone else? But if you can go out there and say "This is me, deal with it", everyone's much happier.
 

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*shrug*. Being blunt works for me. If I say someone's hair looks good, everybody that knows me knows I'm just saying it because I think their hair looks good. I don't hide anything, and when I am hiding something, I tell people that I'm hiding it. Might be a bit confusing, but basically when someone confronts me about something I don't want to talk about, I say "I don't feel comfortable talking about it." But that almost never happens - if anybody ever asks me personal questions, I'm almost always up front and straight with them. I'm just not sensitive about personal issues anymore. Makes my life a hell of a lot more simple.
 

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I try to be the same way.

A friend of mine once describe me like curry. If you're not used to me, and you get the full experience all at one time, it's rather frightening and daunting and you won't want to be near me again. But take it slow, and don't scare people away by being 100% me open and honest with people I've JUST met, and then people will like me.

I told her to fuck that. I'm going to be me 100% all the freaking time and if people can't handle that? Well then they don't deserve to be in my circle of friends.

And here i am on a hentai forum with one or two close friends in the outside world.

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Life's a bitch.
 
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I do much the same as you Alias, that's what I meant by refusing to answer. However, if I get a direct question, then I will answer it 99% of the time. And Chibi, if those friends are truly good, you don't really need more. Even if it might be nice.

I probably only have one friend that understands me, although I'm not sure he would agree. He gets the essence of what I am.
 

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hehe I'm writing this from my iPod so I don't care about Punctuation right now . anyways once my parents have gone to bed I'll stop pretending to study to my math exam. I'm a genious I don't need to study.
My point is that I think you are overanalyzing this wonder. first off since I am the only one who really understands you as you claim then let me make a few obvservations. people think you are freaky because you are. but after what I saw of your other friends I do think they don't care either way. you can be whatever you want together with them and they will maybe raise an eyebrow but not go overboard screaming "were sinking were sinking" uuuuuuh I mean they won't slice and dice you because of that.
.......I'm tired in my neck bending over this piece of shit. ill continue it later tonight oh and I just found a great way to be on here during school :D

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Ok, I just laughed loudly, my mother thought the exam was tomorrow and therefore she has been stressing me about it, but it isn't until the day after tomorrow.
Anyways here is what I wrote just before ULMF gave up on me earlier:

Hm, I think you are over-analyzing what happened that time. I am pretty sure above mentioned room-mate was really thinking about the fact that it was nice of you to offer help, but since it was her room-mate and her conscience kicked in she decided that you should be spared having puked out guts in your bed.
Also, when people tell you that you are hiding something, it is probably a joke. Most people doesn't think of you as evil or suspicious, and you really are a whole lot freakier than you are letting in on, because I know you...well.
... I lost my steam...

What I am saying is you are over-analyzing it. I know you, they know you, and anyone normal would freak out getting kissed, while nipple-raping the guy who kissed you. That is not an expected reaction(kissing) fighting for your life is an expected reaction.

And you know me, I am pretty cuddly and like to snuggle, but that isn't as true when I am affected by alcohol, or maybe it is. I can never seem to remember. Analyze that you wanna-be psychological genious.
 
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Completely agreed with WB, Chibi. What most people who think they're unpopular don't realize is that nobody goes through life having more than three close friends at once. Most people aren't even lucky enough to have that many in their lifetimes. If you have even one person, just one person that understands who you are and why you do what you do, and knows what makes you tick, even just one person, then you can count yourself lucky, because a lot of people never get a chance to meet someone like that. Personally, I have one, and she's the only thing that gives me the strength to not give a shit about anybody else. If I didn't have her I'd be as whiny and lonely as the average high school loser.

@WB: It sounded like you were refusing to answer questions a lot. Also, what I meant was when I refuse to answer a question, it's invariably because the question is about someone else. Whenever anybody asks me a question about myself, I will always give them the truth, and the full, honest truth, not the little half-truths everybody else likes to give. Example: I don't bring up the subject of my dead mother, but if someone asks about her, I tell them that she was an abusive alcoholic who committed suicide when I was sixteen. It still pains me to talk about it, but it's not like I'm going to gain anything by hiding it, and it actually might help the other person understand why I do what I do. However, if someone asks me why my girlfriend does or does not do something, I say hey - you should ask her, I don't like talking about her behind her back.

Now keep in mind that I'm not telling you that you should start behaving like I do - actually, I'd recommend against it - but I'm merely offering an idea for you to think on. If some aspect of my personality appeals to you, you should mimic it - after all, what are we but a blend of personalities that we admire, all cobbled together?

What kinds of questions do you refuse to answer?
 
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I can't really think of something that I wouldn't answer right now. If it's a person I barely know, then I'm pretty sure I wouldn't tell them about something. I'm unable to remember something right now.

OK, maybe I'm overanalyzing that particular incident, but the quotes that people have said to me are from different people and different times. It is a fact that I lack the inhibitions a lot of people have, as an easy example, I can't fathom why people have to drink in order to dance.

But I guess with my reaction to alcohol, or rather lack of thereof, I have to let loose. Or something. That's for another psychology rant.
 
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