The Reputation Hilarity/Insanity thread

[Obsidious]

Re: The Reputation Hilarity/Insanity thread

True, you don't have to be a part of government in order to influence it. It helps quite a bit though, if there are people in the government that care about what you have to say. For a small minority such as "extremist" feminists, I doubt there's many MPs that really care what they have to say (or even know what they have to say for that matter). Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if some of these laws came from the "family values" clique to be completely honest.

Regarding quotas, your point seems to imply that I'm suggesting there should be quotas to allow more women to be in government? Actually, I would prefer if people just voted for women, though I guess the situation is more complicated for countries with Closed List PR. Quotas are kind of needed there since you can't actually choose who you're voting for.

Oh my, I almost replied to the unedited first edition of your post. I actually haven't even taken open vs. closed lists into account.

Although a person representing certain traits is more likely to address a specific political opinion, I'm not quite sure how far you can take this argument - after all this controversial law in France was probably passed by mainly men. More generally speaking, the way political parties (and again I'm probably biased here as well) are organized, only the more career-driven members make it into the upper ranks. They usually don't get there by making use of the character traits they claim to represent. I'm quite pessimistic in that regard. Names and faces don't count.

Social Democrats have behaved neither social nor especially democratic in the past, Christian parties, well let's not talk about religion. In the end you can't even rely on the party's manifesto, though it's as close as you can get when it comes to make semi-reliable predictions on how representatives might behave once in power.

I don't think it's wise to vote for somebody just because they're female, black, muslim or what else might seem left out at the moment. Politicians have made these things part of a perverse sales strategy for the past 15-20 years.

Now I could really go on and on about what would be the best strategy for your voice to be heard, but this is not the place. And in all honesty I don't know either. If this really warrants elaboration, it should be taken to the debate thread anyway.

 

[Cappy]

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Shut the fuck up We've got our first self-strawmanner! Note the lack of any reasoning to their negrep, it's clearly just an angry jab at me for what I said. If you don't want me to knock you down when you set yourself up for it, don't set yourself up you fucking idiot. Try using logic against me, as it turns out that has actually worked out quite well for others in the past not once, but MULTIPLE TIMES. As I said before, making arguments when emotional weakens your IQ score by quite a large factor, and I'm a very emotional person. Use that to your advantage if you think you can take me.

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gngfnf

You know, recently my family's morally bankrupt tenant made an unintelligible scream in response to my accusation of her being basically a property damaging money-grubbing delinquent, that had seriously made me question if she had some kind of mental issue. This negrep very sincerely reminds me of that moment.

rawr women, stop being bad. Or we'll come hurt you... yeah, thanks for that

Yeah nice strawman, you act as if I'm implying I want that to happen. And you also imply that I'm directing that at all women, as opposed to the women AND MEN who would take advantage of the situation and/or perpetuate the unfair legalities. I'm ACTUALLY quite distraught at the idea of being forced into some kind of rebellion over unfair laws. And why wouldn't I be with paternity fraud outside of France being hard enough to deal with as it is without that kind of bullshit?

A 2008 study in the United Kingdom found that fathers were wrongly identified in 0.2% (1 in 500) of the cases processed by the Child Support Agency. Of that 0.2%, those resolved with DNA paternity testing between 2004 and 2008 showed that between 10 and 19% of mothers had deliberately named the wrong father; none of the women were prosecuted.

In 2012 the Iowa Supreme Court in ruling to allow a paternity fraud tort to proceed as they fall "within the traditional boundaries of fraud law", but advised caution in bringing cases, as they would be "hard to prove, emotional and embarrassing".

Looking at the example cases on wikipedia, a lot of the time if there's an emotional basis upon which the suit is made, which of course this will a majority of the time (for obvious reasons), it will be thrown out of court. Taking into account the ridiculous rules men face when getting into a relationship with a women who have a child, they find themselves obligated to provide by law regardless of the biological heritage if they maintain that relationship for more than year iirc. Honestly, I don't think I need to point out how awkward it is having a step-dad, and how the natural instinct of a child or especially teen is to reject them. This leads to men who have no emotional connection to their supposed children basically being legally obligated to provide, which leaves so much room for manipulation on the part of ill-natured women who don't want to self-provide, or who simply want some extra cash-money by the end of their supposed relationship.

There are so many instances in law obligating men to pay alimony or pay up damages or fees in divorce(a rule that was originally partially based upon the societal construct of a man being the breadwinner, I might add, which as previously mentioned by others is still an expectation among both certain men and women) that the idea of getting married or being in a romantic relationship for more than a few months quite intimidating, keeping in mind that quite a few emotionally immature men already found the idea intimidating without even considering those things in the first place. How is this healthy for society? Why shouldn't I be angry?

 

[super_slicer]

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The funny thing is it's probably someone who was complaining about people neg repping and not debating publicly just a few posts ago

I hope you aren't implying that I am the culprit. I don't neg rep RP (I dunno why, I guess it just seems like spraying a kitten with water), and I'm pretty sure the last person I negged was because of some type of lazy jackassery that people think is okay in the hentai games section. Have a mod look to confirm if you want.

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And look at that! It's like I'm psychic or something.

*presses index and middle finger to right temple* I see it now, internet loser has had an awesome day! Got to work on time, managed to sleep in the stock room half the day, stole someone else's lunch out of the fridge without getting caught, and won a few bucks from the lottery ticket on the way home! But THEN they sat down at their computer and read Cappy's posts! The impotent rage building the longer they read, and decide THIS INJUSTICE MUST NOT STAND! They have to get back at him for making them doubt their position in the slightest, there's only one answer to a deed so foul; a NEGATIVE REP, but just as they click the "I disapprove" dot, their rage boils over and they fall onto the floor convulsing, foaming at the mouth and after a few moments manage to slam their hand on the keyboard retorting with a witty "gngfnf".

 

[OAMP]

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I hope you aren't implying that I am the culprit. I don't neg rep RP (I dunno why, I guess it just seems like spraying a kitten with water), and I'm pretty sure the last person I negged was because of some type of lazy jackassery that people think is okay in the hentai games section. Have a mod look to confirm if you want.

I don't particularly care who was repping me either way for what reason. I find the rep system hilarious. When you cast a wide net though, you're certain to catch a few. I had no one specific person in mind, merely a group of anyone who might get mad about anon neg reps and then anon neg rep themselves. I could make a jab about getting defensive, but you sound sincere enough

Edit: Grammar fix.

 

[Cappy]

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I'll admit that I've made anonymous negreps before, though lately not really with intent. Just kind of slipped my mind to add the signature once or twice, and sometimes I outright don't have enough room. (LOL)

 

[Ranger Princess]

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I don't neg rep RP (I dunno why, I guess it just seems like spraying a kitten with water)

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If it makes you feel better, I rarely neg rep anyone, but it has happened on occasion over the years. I believe in positive and negative energy, and I try to avoid spreading negativity, but I'm still only human.

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[XSI]

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I personally avoid giving neg rep unless someone is seriously acting like a dick and flat out insulting people

Loads of positive rep though, both given and recieved. Perhaps that's why almost everyone seems to have a maxed out rep bar, if everyone prefers to give anonymous messages saying that they approve and like whatever you posted over giving out negatives

 

[Cappy]

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You're using "strawman" wrong

No I'm not. My opinion was being very directly misrepresented as something it wasn't, albeit perhaps unintentionally. It's easy to knock somebody down when you literally put words in their mouth, or change the wording in a bastardized abbreviation. So you can suck it.

I personally avoid giving neg rep unless someone is seriously acting like a dick and flat out insulting people

Loads of positive rep though, both given and recieved. Perhaps that's why almost everyone seems to have a maxed out rep bar, if everyone prefers to give anonymous messages saying that they approve and like whatever you posted over giving out negatives

Unless you're a die hard fan of Meet N' Fuck flash games, lmao. I've long left my deliberate trolling days behind (At least on this forum) with one or two exceptions* here or there, but boy can I appreciate some of the lolcow milking that happens around here on occasion.




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Youtube comments are such easy targets that perfectly normal people can hardly resist trolling there. Low target, I know, but I mean come on. Sometimes the sweetest fruit falls from the tree.

 

[Sinfulwolf]

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rawr women, stop being bad. Or we'll come hurt you... yeah, thanks for that

Yeah nice strawman, you act as if I'm implying I want that to happen. And you also imply that I'm directing that at all women, as opposed to the women AND MEN who would take advantage of the situation and/or perpetuate the unfair legalities. I'm ACTUALLY quite distraught at the idea of being forced into some kind of rebellion over unfair laws. And why wouldn't I be with paternity fraud outside of France being hard enough to deal with as it is without that kind of bullshit?



Looking at the example cases on wikipedia, a lot of the time if there's an emotional basis upon which the suit is made, which of course this will a majority of the time (for obvious reasons), it will be thrown out of court. Taking into account the ridiculous rules men face when getting into a relationship with a women who have a child, they find themselves obligated to provide by law regardless of the biological heritage if they maintain that relationship for more than year iirc. Honestly, I don't think I need to point out how awkward it is having a step-dad, and how the natural instinct of a child or especially teen is to reject them. This leads to men who have no emotional connection to their supposed children basically being legally obligated to provide, which leaves so much room for manipulation on the part of ill-natured women who don't want to self-provide, or who simply want some extra cash-money by the end of their supposed relationship.

There are so many instances in law obligating men to pay alimony or pay up damages or fees in divorce(a rule that was originally partially based upon the societal construct of a man being the breadwinner, I might add, which as previously mentioned by others is still an expectation among both certain men and women) that the idea of getting married or being in a romantic relationship for more than a few months quite intimidating, keeping in mind that quite a few emotionally immature men already found the idea intimidating without even considering those things in the first place. How is this healthy for society? Why shouldn't I be angry?

I couldn't help send you that, especially after you made a comment that you haven't given a shit about ISIS because they didn't directly influence you. But then something happens in France, that would not directly influence you, that involves feminism and women, and you bring up the fact that there will be likely eventually be violence and bloodshed against women in relation eventually. What am I supposed to think in that instance?

What do I personally think of that situation at hand? Eh, kind of irrelevant. Was it an emotional reaction? Oh certainly. But considering you took a post about an app, that would let someone post personal information online, without you being able to opt out, or back out... and you return with seemingly seething anger against feminists in France for paternity tests and nothing against this actual app itself.

 

[super_slicer]

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I couldn't help send you that, especially after you made a comment that you haven't given a shit about ISIS because they didn't directly influence you. But then something happens in France, that would not directly influence you, that involves feminism and women, and you bring up the fact that there will be likely eventually be violence and bloodshed against women in relation eventually. What am I supposed to think in that instance?

To be fair, he never explicitly said there would violence committed against women. One could infer that because the antagonists of which he speaks are feminists, that the rebellion would involve combat against them, however we come back to the point that not ALL feminists are women (lol, worst joke ever, I want to take rights away from my own sex ) , not to mention that armies are almost never comprised of a societies ruling caste these days and if so members of said caste are high enough in rank to not worry about seeing the front lines.

Not to be a nag about this, but couldn't you have just said something in the thread? Instead of using rep and having the discussion spill over into here? As it is I have to jump between two different threads to read everything, god forbid if the topic makes someone giddy !

 

[Sinfulwolf]

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Feminists don't want to take rights away from men. This is a conversation and debate that has been repeated here again and again, and I'm sticking to it. Feminism is not a belief that men are evil. Some believe that, no denying it. Enough apparently to twist the word. Indeed, this conversation has happened enough that it's in the forum rules. So I ask you stop making references that make it seem that feminism is the man hating club.

As for the rep. I felt strongly enough about the comment that I felt it worthwhile. I even signed it if he wanted to leave it out of the public eye if he so desired.

 

[super_slicer]

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Feminists don't want to take rights away from men. This is a conversation and debate that has been repeated here again and again, and I'm sticking to it. Feminism is not a belief that men are evil. Some believe that, no denying it. Enough apparently to twist the word. Indeed, this conversation has happened enough that it's in the forum rules. So I ask you stop making references that make it seem that feminism is the man hating club.

As for the rep. I felt strongly enough about the comment that I felt it worthwhile. I even signed it if he wanted to leave it out of the public eye if he so desired.

I was just going just respond within a rep comment, but I couldn't fit what I had to say into one.

No, that's a crap argument. You can't continue to say that the loudest and most influential voices that claim to be of a group aren't representing that group's interests without actually doing something to show they do not actually represent what you stand for.

I realize that because of feminism is more a school of thought than a physical group with membership that this is a bit of a challenge, however just like a political party the movement has to distance itself from these people in some way.

If feminists as a whole truly don't believe in what these "extremists" are saying, then actually DISAGREE with them (For example, you; as the forum's chief feminist representative haven't come close to saying anything remotely negative about the asinine and quite blatantly unjust law in question). Denounce their behavior, silence their voices, support your claim with action.

If you continue to allow them to influence media, entertainment, and government policy, only opposing them by saying "Well feminism isn't about THAT" when someone brings up the topic you lose all credibility and in fact feminism WILL BECOME about that.

 

[Sinfulwolf]

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I haven't denounced that particular law in France because I don't know enough about to situation to denounce it. What were the steps that led to it? Who pushed it forward? What do the people of France actually think about it? I haven't read enough into it to actually speak against it. All I know was that the law was brought up out of left field in response to an app that is immoral and fucking wrong. Now your using it as a crux of an argument to say that feminism is bad.

I have indeed spoken up against extremist views in the past, I have indeed brought up unfair gender segregation that men face in law and society. So, since I've done that, actually disagreed with some of these people in public, this one time where I don't have the information to properly rebuttal or speak of a law means I've automatically lost any credibility because I identify as a feminist because I believe men and women to be equal in nature?

After all the talks on this forum about how the media can't always be trusted, you run to the media for your source on feminism because fucking Anita Sarkeesian proved to be an opportunist by taking advantage of what occurred?

Also, stop ignoring forum rules. As I pointed out last time.

 

[Cappy]

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Note that I never denounced "feminism" just extremist feminism. That you're projecting my viewpoints and can't answer me in response to my allegation that it's done nothing good in the western world is not my problem, and two people spamming negreps against me isn't particularly intimidating, but it is disappointing that people feel aggressed just because I express a difference of opinion and outright ask to be better informed.

I even said that it was fantastic that it's done great things overseas, and got attacked directly for "backpedaling" and that I was a piece of shit for acknowledging my lack of specificity and even made clear my admiration for the female rights advocates involved in helping those causes. Seriously, you guys are disappointing human beings.

Furthermore, Sinful, in response to my not caring about ISIS it's genuinely because I lacked information on the subject. One doesn't hear about ISIS when you severely distrust American televised news, and don't trawl around for random gore videos on the internet. It was just some buzzword I had heard in relation to apparent terrorists who didn't really ever show up except in the occasional incident where they would claim credit for some kind of international incident or explosion, a quarter of the time the incidents being definitively proven to be caused by something else. Excuse me for not caring about something I knew next to nothing about. I also don't particularly care about architectural studies, but it's clearly important to my everyday life, and in fact the lives of the people around me, that I got outraged by a law that essentially could be an example of things to come that I knew about and could relate to is simply human, blaming me for that is your choice but don't act like I'm at fault when you yourself said that you don't care about the issue I brought up because, "You don't know enough about the circumstances" Sounds familiar, doesn't it.

And I come here to talk about all kinds of issues, that feminism is off the table because of... drama? I suppose, is frankly disappointing. We have debates about all kinds of political hot topics and things of all different natures are discussed. The dark desires of human nature, the artistic expression of it reflected in porn coming out in a plethora of somewhat disturbing different directions ranging from guro/ryona to forced feminization and molestation of various kinds that both genders indulge in is something we've been able to happily discuss without it becoming an issue. I only ever visit every other few days and talk about things on my mind, and in this particular case the changing attitudes of genders and especially how genders are viewed differently in similar circumstances and how they face different challenges that each other can't truly relate to is something that SHOULD be discussed, even if one side or the other is biased or viewed to be biased. If it's upsetting you nobody is forcing you to participate in the conversation or even read the posts, if the rule has to be enforced and I'm going to be censored or banned because of it I guess that's fine, because I don't think I or anybody else should have to tolerate censorship in their chosen place of discussion, which happens to be here where there happens to not only be intelligent people but intelligent people with wildly different views. If I wanted to go to hugbox where people agreed with me like some loser and never have my views challenged, or discuss this with people who weren't in their depth on the topic then I would go somewhere else, but I feel I choose this place to talk about it for a reason.

 

[Ryka]

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It is impossible to argue with Swolf. Her views are strong. Just apologize and move on please.

 

[Cappy]

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It is impossible to argue with Swolf. Her views are strong. Just apologize and move on please.

Seriously? You could say the same thing about me, Lila, that I'm expected to apologize when I feel there's nothing to apologize for when Swolf feels exactly the same is bullshit. Bullshit is coming out of your mouth right now, and I'm finding it hard to respect you because of it.

You're a fucking manchild and you need to shut the fuck up

Prove it.

nobody likes the exceptions

The exceptions I'm talking about are the spoilered mention of youtube comments you dumb cunt.

Every time you whine when someone negs you because you aren't worth the time to refute, it earns you more neg reps. Stop caring about your imaginary internet points or shut up and educate yourself before you spew more nonsense.

I don't care about the points, in fact, there was a time when I was actively trying to get into the red. I do care however, about responding to criticism, whether acknowledging that I'm wrong or criticizing harshly criticism with a distinct lack of actual critique. I do try to educate myself; HOWEVER, when you have opinions it's only natural that the sources you tend to believe in turn out to end up being biased. The best place to learn better is to put yourself across to people of varied opinions and discover their arguments and reasoning, and decide for yourself whether there's merit in what they say. That you're too much of a sheep to understand that when I go to the sources you probably think are trustworthy and find them utterly biased and unreasonable, and find that when people smarter than me look into their citations and find a complete lack of compelling evidence, is not my fucking problem, mate. You insist that it's my attitude that should change, but until you fucking step up and explain yourself, I'm not going to be afraid of passive aggressive negreps, I'll just smack you down with my own criticism, and happily provide my reasoning and basis for it.

Because even though I don't respect you or your opinion, I respect that every person deserves the time of day to determine whether or not they're willing to listen to hard reasoning and logic, I have yet to be given a deliberate and definitive argument that I didn't concede or compromise to in the last few months that I can recall. I learned recently that female rights activists are still winning important battles in areas where culture is over-riding their rights as people because of their gender, I can respect that more than I think you believe. But when in the UK funding for

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, the response received from the only openly pro-feminist journalist to talk on the subject tended towards being diminutive towards male rights activists for not speaking up (In spite of several groups actually publicizing it and speaking about it,

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bitch) rather than actually, well, you know, advocating for men's rights in the name of equality. This same woman is an award winning acclaimed journalist, in spite of being clearly biased in her opinions of the subject to the point of USING the issue in order to criticize MRAs instead of broaching it on it's own merits as a subject worthy of coverage and discussion. Real tasteful. I can see that extremist feminists aren't having any kind of negative effect on society whatsoever, it's not like the ones who get the pedestal to speak are the ones who clearly aren't moderate, nosirree.

 

[chrisroxxx]

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I do care however, about responding to criticism, whether acknowledging that I'm wrong or criticizing harshly criticism with a distinct lack of actual critique. I do try to educate myself;

I can just approve of that, that's the only reason I don't immeadiately turn into some maniac hulk when I get flagged by someone, I always see crticism or flak as a chance to educate myself, start some kind of process that in the end leads to solutions or some sort of conversation. Depending on the sort/tone/actual input of the criticism it can lead to something good and interesting, or will be forgotten fast, but it's always worth a shot, I feel...

...and ya it's a shame that sexual abuse of men isn't treated as a serious matter in most parts of the world...moreover, it's laughed or shrugged off like this: "What you got abused, you should be ashamed of yourself you must be some weak ass whimp getting raped as a man, man up and get over it like a man..."

I also read that article about men having to pay fines or even going to jail for trying to find out if they are the actual father of their children...I have to say the reporting in this article is indeed very one-sided, and just focuses on the issue of men vs. women rights (who gets what part of the cake/money), in my opinion there should be more focus on what will help the children most, being stuck in such a crappy situation...furthermore it is stated in the article that other countries want to try to enforce the same law, making it impossible for father's to find out if they are the biological father of their children, this made me listen up...

Maybe, the one who benefits the most is the state, by forcing broken families to stick together and provide for themselves, the states social services and child care programs will get relieved.
At the very least they won't have to create bigger budgets for these services(saving tax money at the wrong departement), if such dilemmas are bound to stay in the family, dictated by law...I call acting like that as a state, irresponsible and short sighted!

 

[Cappy]

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Oh, I felt I should also mention the stupid app thing. Of course it's a massive invasion of everyone's privacy and should be regarded as a terrible travesty of human rights if it ever goes up. But the moment that you go onto any social networking site like twitter or whatever you can think of and search the term, you'll find that pretty much every person has the same opinion on the subject. Pretty much anyone and everyone aside from the most oblivious of people think that peeple is fucking retarded, uninformed folks aside.

Even if it somehow comes into popular usage harassment charges and lawsuits will shut it down within a few months at most. It's a complete non-issue, it does make for some interesting social commentary on the mentality of some of the people who exist today, and brings into question the supposed government funding that it got seemingly out of nowhere that they're not allowed to talk about, but aside from that I have no comment because any comment that could've been made has already been done to death.

 

[super_slicer]

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6th October 2015 00:35 Mooooooo


Weeeeell shit, got me there!

Honestly, this is the first negative rep I've found hilarious. Why? I'm not quite sure, at first I was like "Is this person trying to say I'm a sheep and using the wrong onomatopoeia?" but dismissed that quickly. Then I thought to myself, "Is there any aspect of my post that can be related to a bovine?" well, not that I can see. And at last I just stopped thinking and laughed. Brav-o anon, brav-o.

Lastly, I'd like to say that if my posts make any of you uncomfortable, my words hurt you or make you want to stop reading what I have to say for some reason, feel free to put me on your ignore list.

 

[Ryka]

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Unlike you, I do not see any negative politics with simply letting a touchy subject go when it bothers a moderator.

You see, I am not a deep person. My entire existence here on the forum is either fun, or reactions if you haven't noticed. I have made friends here. I have made enemies here. Whether you find it all real or flat is up to you. But I assure you I find some people here nice and my friends.

I'm sorry you do not respect me for wanting someone to stop being driven nuts by you. I bet that drives you nuts. Which way will the egg fall on the symmetrically inclined roof? That too is up to you.