This was one of the problems I had with that previous thread and probably the reason why that one went nowhere fast. In that previous thread, the main topic of discussion was how to divide the section. People voted pretty heavily in favor of splitting the place into genres, but despite me asking multiple times how they wanted to divide it and what guidelines I'd need to follow to maintain it, not a single person gave a concrete plan on how to implement it; just that it'd be nice to have it split by genre.
Of course, this is the part where major fuck up can happen and no one wants to take the blame. No shock there, better to not hurt that image no one cares about, eh?
BUT if we were to split it, we do have to acknowledge few things.
- First, there is a huge separation for Japanese/Non-Japanese, reason behind it doesn't matter (and it goes from idiocy up to elitism, but still is, so no point in going deeper).
- Second, RPG Maker vs non RPG Maker vs VN, with last one being not as important from the perspective of forum itself and that's just my view after looking at threads.
- Third, 2DCG vs 3DCG.
- Fourth - WIP vs Completed.
Now, I would say that first would work best as subforums for hentai games. Rest could easily work as tags for each (plus, more tags to help with searching that people don't use, kek). Next, since majority of patreon games are west based, this also solves that issue (extra tag won't hurt).
As for actually implementing it, this will depend on other things, with most important: What methods and tools are available? A person with mod powers having to manually go with each thing? Access to query to do some batch cleansing? After details like that are known, some things can be changed/tweaked if possible.
Rest is simply execution of whole plan.
At the same time, even if there were legitimate suggestions and a solid plan, we're still pretty much at the mercy of the admin team. I'll admit that getting actual forum changes can be like pulling teeth at times. At a certain point, there really isn't much more we're able to do until somebody with the actual means can execute changes. Just as a recent example, I've already had a thread posted in the forum suggestions two weeks ago, asking for the already-agreed-upon changes we came up with here, and it hasn't been responded to by admins at all. I've already got a draft for the new rules for the first round of re-structure, but can't enact them until the place actually changes. I understand that people are busy and ULMF doesn't really register as a place of priority in people's minds, but when the RP section has a trillion sections and sub-sections due to asking an administrator directly, I'd hope that a public request with multiple people's agreement for the largest section on the site would at least garner a response.
Pretty much, though... isn't Sam an admin now? A bot should be more available for that xD
But seriously, things like that need to be figured out before doing anything, there must be some agreement first so we can poke people later and repeat few words over and over until demands are met. It always works, lol.
On the point about moderators, it's entirely possible to recruit mods with lesser privileges for the sake of cleaning the place up. But, as Yoshiki's pointed out over and over, there really hasn't been any pre-requisite steps taken to prepare for any larger changes. Frankly, I could probably just do it all myself, but as with everything I do, I don't like just acting by myself to make sweeping changes without at least seeing what the community feels about it. I've wanted to try categorizing the place so that Patreon/Enty threads are moved in their own section for like a month or so, and see what happens to the traffic, but the only resource I have for it besides just combing every single page of the section myself, is the Patreon list thread. I don't mind diving into every page, but I don't want to just slowly move threads over to a dead area and cause a mass panic. Other stuff like adding more prefixes to titles are good examples; you could leave it to the mods and admins to come up with more, but the last time that happened, there still wasn't enough to accurately describe everything and people still want to add more. If the community could come up with a well-thought out and executable course of action, it'd make more sense to start granting "helper" statuses to people.
Simple, stop trying to be fucking nice. You will get eaten alive, not always by people, but often by useless worries. And no, ffs, I am not saying don't be nice, but learn when it's time to say "enough" and "no".
Of course it will somewhat hit patreon developers, especially new ones... So? There are other places where they can easily get more interest (F95 for example), it all depends on how they manage their own promotion. Other thing being, western devs hoping to actually compete with Japanese products are... delusional (at least in current state of things). If their product is good, then it will compete with crap/mediocre patreon projects and actually do better than trying to compete with east. How so? Well, even if we divide by Jap/Non-Jap, it won't mean that non-Jap section will die. Supplies provided by Japs are limited and people with demand will go and check other subsection to satisfy their needs. We are basically talking about two different markets working in different ways. While at first there will be lowered traffic on non-J subforum, it will balance itself out after a time.
So basically... meh, no need to worry as much.
No, that was just gay and you both suck at this. -_-
