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Here I will make known my limited knowledge of martial arts:
I have heard Capoeria is entirely useless against anyone who know Capoeria, and also that it's much less effective against people with a sense of rhythm.

Muy Thai will fuck your shit up. The people who do this professionally will often spend a great deal of time killing nerves so tehy don't feel it when they break their hand on your face. There is a video on the nets of a match where the opening blow is a savage kick that shatters a leg. Dude with the broken leg didn't notice until he tried to move forward and attack.

I don't know whether or not boxing qualifies as a martial art, I do know it tends to fail against martial arts that use or focus on the legs because that's not what they're taught. But having a blindspot is not what disqualifies a martial art. Neither is being a sport. Maybe it doesn't have the history?
 
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Martial arts originally meant arts of war, any art that is used on the battlefield(any real life situation) to defend yourself or kill/incapacitate your opponent. Modern boxing is never been used this way and it was actually born as a sport, the english way of a fight between civil people. Boxing(as a fighting style) is extremely weak in a real fight enviroment, heavily reliant on the boxer's physical capabilities, you need to be a really good boxer to use it outside the ring, expecially weak agains weapon users or mobs, while most martial arts are made to fight physically stronger opponents, armed one or several foes at the same time.

Obviously i refer to fight between equally skilled fighters, since it's skill that decides the winner in the very end.
 
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JohnDoe said:
Martial arts originally meant arts of war, any art that is used on the battlefield(any real life situation) to defend yourself or kill/incapacitate your opponent. Modern boxing is never been used this way and it was actually born as a sport, the english way of a fight between civil people. Boxing(as a fighting style) is extremely weak in a real fight enviroment, heavily reliant on the boxer's physical capabilities, you need to be a really good boxer to use it outside the ring, expecially weak agains weapon users or mobs, while most martial arts are made to fight physically stronger opponents, armed one or several foes at the same time.

Obviously i refer to fight between equally skilled fighters, since it's skill that decides the winner in the very end.
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I never said that boxing was a martial art, although points for putting words in my mouth. I said it was a hand to hand style. See the difference?

As far as how a boxer beats the Capoeria guy, it's pretty simple. Boxers are light on their feet and also have a sense of rhythm. Capoeria tries to overawe him with fancy moves and feinting, beginning only with light attacks, as is their custom. Boxing guy learns how he comes in for an attack, and starts counter-attacking as he does so. It's not pretty, it's not graceful, and he hardly gets off without taking a hit by stepping in like that, but he puts the guy down.
 
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I didn't put words in your mouth, i was saying that i thought it would be hard for boxing to stand up to capoeira and strenghtening my point with it not being a martial art, then newbie posted regarding boxing and martial arts and the discussion kinda shifted a little, that's all.

Anyway, a simgle fight doesn't make for a good example, in this case the boxer was the better man, the capoeira guy gave the boxer time to get used to his rhythm and wasn't able to properly exploit the attack range and blind spots.
 
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I think he was replying to my question of what qualified as a martial art.

Also, a single fight is not statistically valid. You need 100 fighter from each style and of a comprable skill level, and then pair them at random. I think capoeria gets the advantage, boxers don't usually have to watch their legs which probably leaves them more open to low attacks.
 
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Funny how me and dark were talking martial arts and capoeira especially in the shoutbox before and I never actually looked in this thread, cuz it's called anime but as I'm sure you're all aware, it's the artist, not the art.
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Capoeira can often make good use of it's feints and has a harder balance to peg down for the opponent. The thing I don't like about it is "efficiency." I put that in quotes, cuz obviously people don't like calling something inefficient if it works, and it does work. The point I'm making is that efficiency in a martial art to me is the effect you create divided by the amount of energy you have to expend. Capoeira, because of it's history, causes you to use a LOT of energy to get things done. The only reason I'd take that up again is for its other applications as a dance, or as a token villain in a tony jaa film.

As for muay thai, I'm very thankful I got that as my first real martial art, it's something that I find easy to stick with, and they say when people really start to get shaken up, they resort back to their first martial art. You punch a kid in the face hard enough, and they'll blank and might shoot in for a takedown after mentally regressing back to high school wrestling. I was lucky enough to be into muay thai before high school, because thank god I wouldn't resort to my wrestling, which is shit. It's also something that doesn't form many bad habits, like how I added Tae Kwon Do and Wing Chun to my striking, but they're sometimes not things you want to start with as they develop things that are hard to break away from.

As for shittalking any martial art, it's just like one of my instructors always says "Nothing's wrong, it's just different."
I mean, except for Tang Soo Do." Every martial artist I know agrees in their personal experience that TSD guys are almost always not that good, completely overconfident of their abilities (which is weird since martial arts usually humble you over time), and are complete dicks in general
 
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I see what you mean, my first martial art(actually the only one i had a master teach me) was aikido, and i find it really hard to be on the aggressive side or even just punch people, martial arts started when young really build your character.

About capoeira energy efficiency, i have to agree partially, most of the ground moves rely on rotational power heavily, it's a matter of turning your body weight and gravity into power and if you can keep the flow going it builds up strenght. This is also the real problem capoeira suffers from, if the opponents manage to break your flow, actually stopping or repelling your attack, you tend to have these wide openings that can really turn out in a loss, grapples can also be a problem, expecially against styles that can turn your own flow against you(aikido for example:D).

Muay thai is a very stable and efficient fighting style, explosive power attacks, active defence(not sure it has the same meaning in english, but it's about using attacks to deflect/stop/break opponents attacks) using knees and elbows, but i don't like it. It's not suited for self defense, you mainly try to destoy your opponent, and as good as it might be in critical situations, i prefer to subdue, rather than break, it's safer(excessive slef defense can be troublesome) and as more applications in a normal life enviroment, expecially when you don't want to hurt someone.

BTW, Aikido:
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In English, active defence just refers to a broad sense of doing something to defend yourself. As long as you act somehow, be it a block, dodge or an attack in order to defend, it's an active defence. But yes, your message was understood.
 
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The reason I liked starting with muay thai is not necessarily because of it's efficiency, which it certainly is purely strike-wise, but because it leads into a competitive nature which I may seek down the line. If I had to pick one martial art to do ever, or one that I could have as a strong base, it'd be kali, in a second. I doubt there's much out there that is more all-encompassing, even krav maga, but had I strictly started in that, it doesn't exactly promote standard competition. I'm not gonna be walking into grappling competitions with a machete strapped to my back, 3 knives in my shorts, and a karambit in my ankle guard.
 
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Now, I finally get my lazy ass to make my first post that's not in the H section for once.

I honestly haven't watched much anime in a while, but here's more for the WTF moments.

Anime:King Gainer
Part: I personally haven't actually seen the show, but the
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might qualify. Though I finally personally find the song to be somehow strangely awesome, dang catchyness.)

Anime: Excel Saga
Part: All over the place that there's too many to list and yes, the last episode took it to epic levels.

Anime: Zatch Bell
Part:
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My god. I forgot how mindfucking Zatch Bell was... Now i wanna watch it again. (BTW, Parco Folgore is much more wtf than anything else in that show, imo)
 
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Barefoot Gen.

Ahh, the depiction of Hiroshima's destruction from an atomic blast. The sequences of eye balls melting and babies dying spawned several batshit crazy arguments that really seem to stray off from trying to justify the immorality of Hiroshima's bombing and the whole concept of nuclear weaponry being nothing but pure evil.

But what really made me go WTF is how a pregnant woman - during an atomic explosion - was BLOWN off from a balchony on a house that collapsed to the ground but manages to come out with little to no injuries whatsoever. She also gives birth to a perfectly healthy baby. But the baby dies anyway...
 
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Ah yes, I bet Hibakushas make PERFECT anime material... [/sarcasm]
 
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Episode 13 of Eureka 7. At least I think it was that episode.
 
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As for my experiences with Martial Arts (Late Arival)

As a first schooling a mix of Kenpo, Karate, Tae Kwon Do, and Shaolin

But I liked my Secondary schoolings better in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu...

Over time though I HAVE stylized it, making it my own after some... Practical applications... Showed me flaws in both schoolings... They aren't designed for multiple people and where I live... Its all gang jumps if anything, especially the carefully layed ground work of Jiu Jitsu

Although I haven't really HAD to use it, "The Art of the Terrain" was enough to beat up two minors with a thorn bush and a bike rack...

I didn't have to touch them... Which left me legally in the clear and them to go home to pick thorns out for one and get an ace bandage for the other...

They haven't issued a challenge letter for a Round:2 so I think they got the hint...


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After a short thinking time... The ONLY time "Boxer" was relevant to the world of Martial Arts was during the Boxer Rebellion in China...
 
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