Do truer "reverse" rape titles exist?

[TheUnsaid]

And what I'm saying is that quality is intrinsic to whether I consider it a cashgrab or not. Moreover trying your best doesn't mean much, in fact it can be an outright slap in the face; imagine someone opening business XY, takes out ads in the paper, but has never actually done job XY. Worse yet, they're not even familiar with the tools necessary.

I disagree. They could be achieving exactly what they set out to do, and I just don't find it interesting. Since quality is subjective, calling their games cashgrabs doesn't make sense.
A cashgrab is a low effort, low quality product made to appeal to as many people as possible with as little effort as possible. These games don't seem like they exist solely to make money to me.

The developers behind them truly feel like they do have a passion and love for the erotic material they're making.

Worse yet, they're not even familiar with the tools necessary.

They're making complete games. As long as it matches their vision for the project, they're making do with the tools they have.

The girls look like girls, and the fetishes represented are clear as day.

They might want to do more, like a fully 3D game with fantastic animation and whatnot but they don't have that ability. I myself fall in line right there with them when it comes to that lack of ability. The best they can do is try to achieve their vision with the tools at their disposal.

 

[super_slicer]

I disagree. They could be achieving exactly what they set out to do, and I just don't find it interesting. Since quality is subjective, calling their games cashgrabs doesn't make sense.

It isn't though. Since there are instances where something is universally reported as being of poor or exceptional quality. Therefore it is that we lack a standardized scale and cirteria with which to gauge those things that fall in-between the extremes, not that it is by nature subjective.

A cashgrab is a low effort, low quality product made to appeal to as many people as possible with as little effort as possible. These games don't seem like they exist solely to make money to me.

I don't believe a cashgrab needs to be low effort or solely dedicated towards the acquisition of money. That's why I called 'em lazy cashgrabs. And what if it's 75% 'give me money' with 25% 'I want to make porn' what percentage of motivation being non-financial are you willing to accept? If it isn't more than 0...

The developers behind them truly feel like they do have a passion and love for the erotic material they're making.

They're making complete games. As long as it matches their vision for the project, they're making do with the tools they have.

Are they? I often see them abandoned after an update or two. And again I really don't like calling pure VNs games, it's a different story if there's time management or dating sim mixed in.

The girls look like girls, and the fetishes represented are clear as day.

They might want to do more, like a fully 3D game with fantastic animation and whatnot but they don't have that ability. I myself fall in line right there with them when it comes to that lack of ability. The best they can do is try to achieve their vision with the tools at their disposal.

And yet, before you started asking for money you found a person you could outsource the graphics work to right? That makes your situation markedly different from what we're talking about. Most of these can't even get someone to proofread their English script, and yet they're all released in English...

 

[JustLurksHere]

The catch being bureaucracy tends to grow at least exponentially with the number of people involved and that even if you have a semi-working relationship with your partners. The headaches involved might just be too off-putting.

Also, while there might be some people for whom the passion is the driving force, I believe for most it's simply a chance to get some extra money from something they're at least passably good at.
That's neither a good nor a bad thing, just how things are.Though 'universally reported' is the flies' argument. Also, there can not be anything like 'a standardized scale and cirteria'. Anything there is is just a current statistical majority. Results depend on how you've selected the sample, how honest the answers were, what is the current take on the topic, etc. Most of those factors change with time, many can be quite easily manipulated. Not to mention, there are (nearly) always outliers.

 

[Dan Druff]

When you experience something new, you might realize that this fantasy you had before wasn't the hot stuff you thought.

I need this to answer the next question because what I want and what I'm asking are two different things.

So what you want is porn for misandrists?

The short answer is yes. I don't want to give a long-winded qualifier before giving a halfhearted reply, so I'll answer the question directly. We've seen plenty of examples where the female character is pathetically weak and thoroughly punished by the ugliest dudes; you can sense the attitude behind the work. I'm curious if there is such a work where the creator is clearly hostile to males and feels the need to punish the male character the same way female characters are treated in typical ryona works. It ultimately may not be what I personally want, but it would answer the question.

Supposing there is an inequity (which again, I object to the idea of inequity of products, if there is a demand the market will move to fulfill it outside of a monopoly which we don't see with H-games), how in god's name is it dangerous? Better yet, how do you suggest we address it? Force people to create that sort of content? Force them to purchase that sort of content?

How do we know that the lopsided nature isn't out of fear of being different? I know creators are free to make whatever they want, but there is also safety in numbers. No one wants to be the one who takes a different path and fail, so the creator ends up making safe choices among similar works. Good ideas and execution will stand out regardless.

The real inequity that bothers me is in quality – gameplay, world-building, logics, writing. The danger is, having greedy devs overexploit the demand - often mislabelling their own products. Obviously, they become lazy, and overall game quality takes a nosedive. Today, in a nutshell. How to address it? Critics and boycott. Dev education and proper discussion. Making one's own game to prove the point. Not much else we can do, like with any other market. That's mid-long term at best. I think we're kinda doomed for the next 10? 20? years. Until then, we just gotta look for the few pearls while we swim in manure.

I'm jealous of the ryona creators because they tend to make beat 'em ups and other action games will full animation while "reverse-rape" creators can only afford RPG Maker, draw a girl with big boobs, and describe the sex act via text. This

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is extremely lazy, and it's a platformer. There is no reason for a game this ugly to run so poorly on any computer. This next one bothers me so much. Potato House is a circle that draws nothing but futanari and male CG sets. The circle uses the same faceless male in his twenties but the futanari change in age and appearance. The circle puts out a game in 2015

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. The circle even made the player younger to match similar "reverse-rape" monster girl games rather than stick to its guns and make what it's been making for years. After five years, the game sells over 2000 downloads; it's a good number. Contrast that with Shiganoko, another futanari and male CG creator who also made a game

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. Almost a year later, it almost triples the amount of sales compared to BF Brave where Potato House took the coward's way out. People remember the chances they didn't take more the chances they did take. Potato House still makes futanari sets but never mentions BF Brave in anything.

 

[TheUnsaid]

How do we know that the lopsided nature isn't out of fear of being different? I know creators are free to make whatever they want, but there is also safety in numbers. No one wants to be the one who takes a different path and fail, so the creator ends up making safe choices among similar works. Good ideas and execution will stand out regardless.

People draw porn with poop. It's called scat.
People draw toddlercon. It's porn... with toddlers.
People draw bestiality ending in prolapse.

I doubt the reason people don't make games with ugly 90 year old women raping men is a fear of being different.

That kind of porn does exist in manga, but it's just not big enough for people to get together and make a game of the content.
If nobody cares it won't get made. If the people who care don't make it, it won't get made.

I'm jealous of the ryona creators because they tend to make beat 'em ups and other action games will full animation while "reverse-rape" creators can only afford RPG Maker, draw a girl with big boobs, and describe the sex act via text. This

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is extremely lazy, and it's a platformer. There is no reason for a game this ugly to run so poorly on any computer.

There's more demand for ryona, and eroge's history is steeped in ryona.

Rance is an extremely old character coming out on windows 98 machines. He's a guy who goes around raping women, and he was where a lot of adult game devs got their first exposure. Compare that to reverse rape which only got attention as a method to do these types of games when the original MGQ saw some success in 2011.

Because of the longer history, more demand, and because I cannot stress this enough, it is more normal in society for men to be more dominant sexually, you will obviously get higher quality ryona and rape games. There's no escaping this. This is also just due to sheer size. There are tons of low quality ryona titles out there. You won't go looking for them so you'll never know they exist. They exist in quite high numbers too.

This next one bothers me so much.

Here you go on a futa tangent, but I'll respond to this as well.

Almost a year later, it almost triples the amount of sales compared to BF Brave where Potato House took the coward's way out.

There's like a million different factors that could be at play here.
Do you know about Bronze5Box? They're a high quality, animation focused circle with very erotic works.

Their game Love Make Hotel is a high quality adult simulation game about making love hotels. It's one of the only work's in that genre and it sold like crap compared to its competitors. This has nothing to do with the quality or even sexual content difference. Sexy Girls Fight is an even scarier example, being a battlefuck game with really good animation, music and character designs and selling worse than non-animated 3 second long RPG Maker games.

This has EVERYTHING to do with marketability. This gap in success you're attributing to "having the balls" to include futa could very well be other factors like social outreach, earned media, and fan interaction.

 

[super_slicer]

How do we know that the lopsided nature isn't out of fear of being different? I know creators are free to make whatever they want, but there is also safety in numbers. No one wants to be the one who takes a different path and fail, so the creator ends up making safe choices among similar works. Good ideas and execution will stand out regardless.

You've gotta show some EVIDENCE to attribute a trend to a cause, show us a bunch of artists going "I can't draw what you want because I'm scared" and then we'll consider it. Not from twitter or reddit BTW.

The short answer is yes. I don't want to give a long-winded qualifier before giving a halfhearted reply, so I'll answer the question directly. We've seen plenty of examples where the female character is pathetically weak and thoroughly punished by the ugliest dudes; you can sense the attitude behind the work. I'm curious if there is such a work where the creator is clearly hostile to males and feels the need to punish the male character the same way female characters are treated in typical ryona works. It ultimately may not be what I personally want, but it would answer the question.

Then I have excellent news for you! There is a place full of misandrists on the internet, sure they claim to be egalitarians or feminists or trans-rights supporters but those are flat-out lies. So if anyone knows where to find this type of porn they do. Here:

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. If it doesn't exist and you want to be the one to make it, all you've gotta do is advertise that you're making porn where a straight white male is brutally beaten, humiliated and sodomized and I'm more than confident they will throw buckets of money at you.

 

[Dan Druff]

You've gotta show some EVIDENCE to attribute a trend to a cause. Show us a bunch of artists going "I can't draw what you want because I'm scared" and then we'll consider it - not from Twitter or Reddit BTW.

Do

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count? Okay, that's a fair point. I do have to push back in that people probably won't admit to being intimidated because everyone has to pretend to be tough in public.

I have excellent news for you! There is a place full of misandrists on the internet. Sure they claim to be egalitarians or feminists or trans-rights supporters but those are flat-out lies. So if anyone knows where to find this type of porn they do. If it doesn't exist and you want to be the one to make it, all you've gotta do is advertise that you're making porn where a straight white male is brutally beaten, humiliated and sodomized and I'm more than confident they will throw buckets of money at you.

Cool, I guess my search is over then. You've been a big help.

People draw porn with poop. It's called scat. People draw toddlercon. It's porn with toddlers. People draw bestiality ending in prolapse. I doubt the reason people don't make games with ugly 90 year old women raping men is a fear of being different. That kind of porn does exist in manga, but it's just not big enough for people to get together and make a game of the content. If nobody cares, it won't get made. If the people who care don't make it, it won't get made.

That's fair, too. Show me the source material. The answer I keep getting is that the thing for which I'm asking exists but apparently has no name. I'll determine if I like it or not. Again, what I want and what I'm asking are two different things.

Because of the longer history, more demand, and because I cannot stress this enough, it is more normal in society for men to be more dominant sexually, you will obviously get higher quality ryona and rape games. There's no escaping this. This is also just due to sheer size. There are tons of low quality ryona titles out there. You won't go looking for them so you'll never know they exist. They exist in quite high numbers too.

I disagree with the bold statement. There are more insecure men who need to put their shit out there for other insecure men. I know there are just as many bad ryona titles as there are good ones; I don't have to respect any of them. Yes, my interests are very narrow.

Here you go on a futa tangent, but I'll respond to this as well. There are like a million different factors that could be at play here. Do you know about Bronze5Box? They're a high quality, animation-focused circle with very erotic works. Their game Love Make Hotel is a high quality adult simulation game about making love hotels. It's one of the only works in that genre, and it sold like crap compared to its competitors. This has nothing to do with the quality or even sexual content difference. Sexy Girls Fight is an even scarier example being a battle-fuck game with really good animation, music, and character designs but selling worse than non-animated 3 second long RPG Maker games. This has EVERYTHING to do with marketability. This gap in success you're attributing to "having the balls" to include futa could very well be other factors like social outreach, earned media, and fan interaction.

The futa tangent is a direct comparison because Potato House could have been the first to make a futanari game. Given its back catalog, fans of Potato House thought it was going to deliver a game similar to the CG sets with a twenty-something male and futanari of different ages and sizes. Instead it caved and made just another monster girl battle-fuck game with a younger protagonist and no futanari. This is the trap in which some circles fall to attract more people. They don't have enough faith in their own stuff, so they make something similar to existing products. 2015 was a little late to the monster girl party, though. I know Dieselmine put one futanari enemy in two of the Violated Hero games, and P. D. Creations had one in its robot girl game. People who were expecting a futanari game would have to wait until 2017 when Shiganoko announced a game in the works; the game didn't come out until 2019 after setback after setback. Shiganoko did market the game as the first futanari-on-male game.

 

[TheUnsaid]

Do

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count? Okay, that's a fair point. I do have to push back in that people probably won't admit to being intimidated because everyone has to pretend to be tough in public.

That doesn't even come close to showing that these people are scared of futa.
If anything it just shows that they just do not have a preference for futa, and that's a very different thing. If they need convincing by a large amount of people to begrugingly add it to the game, it's because they themselves are not fond of it.

Show me the source material.

Are you asking for the manga I saw?
I was just browsing ero manga, and it caught my eye by having such a striking cover. I never want to think about it again so it's not like I saved it. It was disgusting for me personally.

I disagree with the bold statement.

It's true though. Sex for a man isn't painful. For a woman it is. Not only that but for women they get consequences that drastically change their lives as a result. This means men are just naturally meant to lead during sex. When a guy takes a girl's first time, he's going to be doing all of the work since the woman's gonna be in pain.

Reverse rape and sexual content of that nature just plays on the desire for men who like sexually forward women. I fall right in there, but I also know the reality.

I don't have to respect any of them.

We're not talking about respect. The topic when you brought that up, was about the quality of some reverse rape games, and how you thought ryona were high quality in comparison.

The futa tangent is a direct comparison because Potato House could have been the first to make a futanari game. Given its back catalog, fans of Potato House thought it was going to deliver a game similar to the CG sets with a twenty-something male and futanari of different ages and sizes. Instead it caved and made just another monster girl battle-fuck game with a younger protagonist and no futanari. This is the trap in which some circles fall to attract more people. They don't have enough faith in their own stuff, so they make something similar to existing products.

That game is their highest selling product.
It's the only product they have that's sold more than 2k copies.

Here's their thought process most likely:

• They know that futa-on-male is niche.
• It's not like ALL they like is futa-on-male.
• They are taking a risk trying to make a game, so at the end of the day they want to mitigate risk factors, because again, futa-on-male is extremely niche.

Their decision making process makes objective sense, and it objectively worked out with higher returns in comparison to their other products.

I know Dieselmine put one futanari enemy in two of the Violated Hero games, and P. D. Creations had one in its robot girl game. People who were expecting a futanari game would have to wait until 2017 when Shiganoko announced a game in the works; the game didn't come out until 2019 after setback after setback. Shiganoko did market the game as the first futanari-on-male game.

Yeah those are appeasement enemies. I'm pretty sure they always come with warnings too.

Leaf Geometry includes a trap in all of their games, though they understand how niche it is to want to fuck something feminine with a cock or want to be fucked by something feminine with a cock so they put a toggle to disable it.

Kind of like how Vore's niche, so even though Shrift likes it, he puts a toggle on it so you can turn it off if you don't want to see it.

Circle Teckua's game also has male sodomy, but they make sure you have the option to not see it if you don't want to.

The thing you like isn't popular. In fact, it's so unpopular people will avoid a game if it has it, or ask the developers to make sure the content is gated from the rest of the game so they can completely avoid it.

 

[super_slicer]

Do

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count? Okay, that's a fair point. I do have to push back in that people probably won't admit to being intimidated because everyone has to pretend to be tough in public.

I'm too lazy to help you make your argument and can't read moon. But sure, we'll pretend they said something along those lines. Edit: Oh they aren't literally saying what I requested? Then no dice I guess, blame unsaid, he's the one who outed your trick.

I disagree with the bold statement. There are more insecure men who need to put their shit out there for other insecure men. I know there are just as many bad ryona titles as there are good ones; I don't have to respect any of them. Yes, my interests are very narrow. "We really don't need porn in our lives."

This makes me think you are a very troubled person.

Here's their thought process most likely:

• They know that futa-on-male is niche.
• It's not like ALL they like is futa-on-male.
• They are taking a risk trying to make a game, so at the end of the day they want to mitigate risk factors, because again, futa-on-male is extremely niche.

Hrm, see I want nothing to do with potato house because of the futa x male and the emasculation through genital size they do. Didn't even know they made a game but would've avoided it given their past work, probably should've published under a different name if they weren't going to stay in their wheel-house.

 

[Dan Druff]

I'm too lazy to help you make your argument and can't read moon. But sure, we'll pretend they said something along those lines. Oh they aren't literally saying what I requested? Then no dice I guess, blame unsaid, he's the one who outed your trick.

I wasn't trying to be a jerk with those responses. I asked a question, and they gave me answers. They weren't the answers I wanted, so I concede.

Are you asking for the manga I saw? I was just browsing ero manga, and it caught my eye by having such a striking cover. I never want to think about it again so it's not like I saved it. It was disgusting for me personally.

Yes I am. I'll determine if I like it or not.

That game is their highest selling product. It's the only product they have that's sold more than 2k copies. Here's their thought process most likely:

• They know that futa-on-male is niche.
• It's not like ALL they like is futa-on-male.
• They are taking a risk trying to make a game, so at the end of the day they want to mitigate risk factors, because again, futa-on-male is extremely niche.

Their decision making process makes objective sense, and it objectively worked out with higher returns in comparison to their other products.

Potato House does not exclusively draw futanari-on-male; the male takes the lead as well. There was a discussion earlier about cash grabs. Would this be considered a cash grab? Potato House never went back to making games and instead returned to drawing futanari CG sets.

The thing you like isn't popular. In fact, it's so unpopular people will avoid a game if it has it, or ask the developers to make sure the content is gated from the rest of the game so they can completely avoid it.

I know the thing I like isn't popular, but that's not what I'm asking in this thread. When the discussion went to niche things that may or may not gain traction, I responded with something I knew. It was super_slicer who gave me a smart-ass response of Twitter being the answer to my question.

 

[TheUnsaid]

Yes I am. I'll determine if I like it or not.

Ah that's too bad. I don't think I'll be able to find it again, and I'm not inclined to look.

Potato House does not exclusively draw futanari-on-male; the male takes the lead as well. There was a discussion earlier about cash grabs. Would this be considered a cash grab? Potato House never went back to making games and instead returned to drawing futanari CG sets.

Sorry you're right. I made an over-generalization regarding their content type being futa-on-male. I clicked on two CG sets briefly looked it over and assumed.

I would not consider it a cash-grab. I think you're operating under the assumption that Potato House doesn't ALSO like sexual content with shotas and monster girls.

Games are a heavy endeavor. CG sets are just a bunch of drawings. Games need to be designed, written, and more. I wouldn't be surprised that even though their game was their most successful property, they were still disappointed in it's sales because the amount of work to make the game was at least more than double to make a CG set but they did not see equivalent gains.

I know the thing I like isn't popular, but that's not what I'm asking in this thread. When the discussion went to niche things that may or may not gain traction, I responded with something I knew. It was super_slicer who gave me a smart-ass response of Twitter being the answer to my question.

I'm not super_slicer.
I just want you to understand I'm not attacking you in my statements, but am seriously responding to your statements.
Don't know what his problem with twitter is.

Also, the reason you brought up those things wasn't because "the discussion went to niche things that may or may not gain traction"
The reason you brought it up...
I'm just going to quote you on this.

Instead it caved and made just another monster girl battle-fuck game with a younger protagonist and no futanari. This is the trap in which some circles fall to attract more people. They don't have enough faith in their own stuff, so they make something similar to existing products.

This assumes that these developers were afraid to include futanari "even though they wanted to. (as your hidden presumption here)"
Your hidden presumption probably holds true for Potato House, but most likely does not hold true for the two developers you linked to when super_slicer asked you for links.

The reason I'm super emphasizing on the fact that the content you enjoy is not super popular is to prove that first, the developers probably don't want to include futa because they themselves don't like it.
Second, if they included it they have the chance of facing financial repercussions by alienating fans who legitimately dislike that stuff, and they're aware of this fact. This is why I bring up those other developers who make sure that content is avoidable in their games.

And that's not even considering whether it's futa-on-male.

 

[Strange]

I'm curious if there is such a work where the creator is clearly hostile to males and feels the need to punish the male character the same way female characters are treated in typical ryona works. It ultimately may not be what I personally want, but it would answer the question.

Though few and far between, I think some works would qualify. Like, https://f95zone.to/threads/cutting-room-v0-6-finalfetish.46493/ I stumbled into a while ago.
If you're less squeamish than I am, feel free to try - I haven't, despite the curiosity.

 

[super_slicer]

I know the thing I like isn't popular, but that's not what I'm asking in this thread. When the discussion went to niche things that may or may not gain traction, I responded with something I knew. It was super_slicer who gave me a smart-ass response of Twitter being the answer to my question.

Just because the amount of disdain I hold for those people I mentioned is colossal, doesn't mean that they aren't a viable resource for you to utilize.

 

[Dan Druff]

Just because the amount of disdain I hold for those people I mentioned is colossal doesn't mean that they aren't a viable resource for you to utilize.

I don't want to go to Twitter to look for answers. I pose the question on this forum because the members know more about these works than I do. For the last time, this isn't "How dare people not make content specifically for me?" nor is it "Dan Druff only wants 90-year-old monster women to rape men because he's a misandrist." I started the thread with a bad joke, and it blew up from there. Strange has been the only one trying to answer the question. It's not about what I personally want; I just want to know if such titles exist. I will determine if I like them or not. I did see this

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recently which is almost what I'm asking because the focus is more on the boy taking the punishment than the female monsters giving it to him.

 

[super_slicer]

I don't want to go to Twitter to look for answers. I pose the question on this forum because the members know more about these works than I do.

In this specific instance, we do not. We are ill-suited to answer the question because of the interests of our user-base.

So straight-faced answer: as far as I know they don't exist.

 

[TheUnsaid]

Strange has been the only one trying to answer the question. It's not about what I personally want; I just want to know if such titles exist.

Oh this wasn't a discussion thread but a recommendation one?

Do you notice the tone of these two games? It's the best of times for the male, but it's the worst of times for the female. I'm starting to think that "reverse rape" is a stand-in for "harem" because the hidden goal is to have sex with every female enemy in the game. So many reverse rape situations still feel like it's his battle to lose; he lost because he couldn't withstand her seduction or something. He never has to deal with an ugly rapist who simply imposed her will on him the way male enemies are able to do on female players. Even games with female protagonists don't have ugly female enemies. Would it hurt to have a little parity?

I swear I've never intentionally attacked you and was just answering your questions or remarking on your previously made statements.
If this was a simple recommendation thread, and I missed the point that's on me though. My apologies.

 

[Dan Druff]

Oh this wasn't a discussion thread but a recommendation one? I swear I've never intentionally attacked you and was just answering your questions or remarking on your previously made statements.
If this was a simple recommendation thread, and I missed the point that's on me though. My apologies.

I was mainly looking for titles, but discussion is fine. It's the fourth hottest thread according to that ticker on the bottom of the front page.

In this specific instance, we do not. We are ill-suited to answer the question because of the interests of our user-base. So straight-faced answer: as far as I know they don't exist.

Times may be changing. I think this

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counts. There's nothing pretty about this game except the protagonist, but the title is confusing because it claims that the protagonist has a body of a boy and girl. All I see is a boy with blue hair and a girl with pink hair, and this game abuses both of them equally.

 

[super_slicer]

Times may be changing. I think this

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counts. There's nothing pretty about this game except the protagonist, but the title is confusing because it claims that the protagonist has a body of a boy and girl. All I see is a boy with blue hair and a girl with pink hair, and this game abuses both of them equally.

I wouldn't count on it. We can most likely expect a backlash to all the recent progressivism in the near future.

 

[TheUnsaid]

We can most likely expect a backlash to all the recent progressivism in the near future.

What are you talking about? Progressivism is such a loaded word, and I doubt everyone has the same definition.
What are the specifics of what you're talking about?

 

[super_slicer]

What are you talking about? Progressivism is such a loaded word, and I doubt everyone has the same definition.
What are the specifics of what you're talking about?

Social engineering by the liberals. I'd go into further detail but again this isn't the place for me to go so far afield of the topic.