Do truer "reverse" rape titles exist?

[JustLurksHere]

I'd argue that this extended digression *is* the actual topic.

Also, for all *my* disdain for social anti-vax movements, I'd still see "social engineering by the liberals" argument as "it's only bad if the other side does it" - unless that was meant as overengineering. But then, everyone puts the threshold in a different place.
After all, till about the age of 12 for humans any socialization is effectively indistinguishable from brainwashing, regardless of whether it's the parents or another party that does it.
That's just how our brains work.
Past that age, things get a bit harder, as most direct approaches are getting blocked (unless they go along the paths that were left unsecured by the previous processes), but indirect approaches still work, just take more time and effort.
As they should. After all, our mental plasticity stands behind both our greatest successes *and* our greatest failures as a civilization.
If we couldn't deem arbitrarily picked human groups as subhuman throughout our history, we wouldn't get where we are now, would we ?

 

[Quite Frankly]

What....no....just no.... there are plenty of guys that would be into really disgusting ugly women, that isn't political, that isn't an extension of the original topic, that isn't progressive-ism,or however you bounce up and down on it.

 

[super_slicer]

What....no....just no.... there are plenty of guys that would be into really disgusting ugly women, that isn't political, that isn't an extension of the original topic, that isn't progressive-ism,or however you bounce up and down on it.

There aren't actually, because if there were it'd be commonly available on the market. Demand and supply, basic economics. I'd disagree on your second point as well; the title of this thread suggests a philosophical question, though we've finally cleared that up, and the motivations of the OP have certainly become a part of the conversation, many of their arguments have a striking similarity to those I've seen used by progressives attempting to justify, force and validate behavior or product 'acceptance'. Though honestly the last comment was more about society at large than this specific thread.

 

[JustLurksHere]

You really shouldn't view social development in a different way than biological evolution - that is a process that is in no way directed.
Calling anything in that process "progressive" or "regressive" is just silly (and is fully subjective).

Only time will tell which direction will prevail.

Pulling too hard in either direction should trigger a negative reaction - humans can handle only so much change in their lives without trauma - but standing still is a suicidal move. The world changes, so we must too.

 

[super_slicer]

We can talk about this all you want in another sub, like the one made for topics that aren't explicitly H-games. But I won't be engaging you here, even if your entire post is completely wrong, which it is.

 

[JustLurksHere]

...even if your entire post is completely wrong, which it is.

I'll treat this as a baseless assertion, but agree that it digresses even from the original digression.
So, I'd agree to both of us taking a step back.

 

[Strange]

I'm starting to think that "reverse rape" is a stand-in for "harem"

I'm not sure what exactly I'm looking at that, and it probably goes towards proving the above point, but this came out and might be somewhat relevant:

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Gives off a weird Shin Megami vibe? Strange enough to look interesting, at least (no pun was intended). I'll probably give the trial a run later.

I missed the opportunity to concur than Mutant Minxes Meltdown was a good example. Had a great, original concept.

 

[TheUnsaid]

I'm not sure what exactly I'm looking at that, and it probably goes towards proving the above point, but this came out and might be somewhat relevant:

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Gives off a weird Shin Megami vibe? Strange enough to look interesting, at least (no pun was intended). I'll probably give the trial a run later.

I missed the opportunity to concur than Mutant Minxes Meltdown was a good example. Had a great, original concept.

How's that game true reverse rape? The girls are conventionally attractive for the most part. Nice faces, toned body, even proportions.

Not only that but the guy gets off in every scene. Girls don't.

Mind if I ask what you mean about mutant mix meltdown.

 

[Swisher223]

How's that game true reverse rape? The girls are conventionally attractive for the most part. Nice faces, toned body, even proportions.

Not only that but the guy gets off in every scene. Girls don't.

Mind if I ask what you mean about mutant mix meltdown.

Gonna bite into this relatively derailed thread...

Looks like nightmare fuel for me TBH lol. How ugly do they have to be? Not all ryona based games involve ugly bastards.

 

[TheUnsaid]

Gonna bite into this relatively derailed thread...
Looks like nightmare fuel for me TBH lol. How ugly do they have to be? Not all ryona based games involve ugly bastards.

I mean... when OP doesn't consider SHRIFT true Reverse Rape, then they actually have to be hideous right? Barghest is a thing...
This is Barghest btw:


What I mean when I say unattractive is conventionally unattractive.
Wide face, saggy thing boobs, wrinkles all over, most likely fat/overweight, maybe asymmetrical features.

Having symmetrical features, a toned body, and practically flawless skin makes you conventionally attractive for the most part.

For instance this image:


It's fine if you don't find monster girls attractive.
You might say the teeth are unattractive, or the eyes or eyebrows.
But they aren't conventionally unattractive.

 

[Strange]

"derailed" is exactly what I want to avoid, since the request itself is long established as a wild goose chase. Let's try to either push topic forward, or ignore it.
I'm only in for the interesting "overlooked by rule 34" part myself. What is rare, is precious (in a way ).

RJ299562 fits IMO. Gruesome H, gals are in more for the blood than the pleasure, gals designed and intended to look monstrous, forcing themselves on males.
Game itself is an RNGxrandom encounters festival - and advertised as such. Still a very solid work. All the more so, I guess, if you enjoy the H-content.
The artist does has a really mean pen for women's bodies - I'll try to look for other... less specialized art from him/her. (benefit when you don't kink-shame: you find interesting, talented persons with a passion. Who might or might not work on something which fits your tastes in the future. Still a learning experience.)

As for MMM, just

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. A fit for OP's request, would be something like MMM where sex fades later in the timeline. - or where montrosity comes in slower. It's abandoned as of 22/12/2015.
Either way, we spent 3 pages to establish what OP's request was, and why it was hard. Let's try to help, or unfollow the topic if we can't or won't.

edit @Swisher223 you could try

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or

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It's puzzlingly hard to convey "the male is unwilling". Harder yet if the beholder isn't a submissive one. I can't begin to imagine, if the girl is unattractive on top of that.

 

[Swisher223]

I mean... when OP doesn't consider SHRIFT true Reverse Rape, then they actually have to be hideous right? Barghest is a thing...
This is Barghest btw:
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What I mean when I say unattractive is conventionally unattractive.
Wide face, saggy thing boobs, wrinkles all over, most likely fat/overweight, maybe asymmetrical features.

Having symmetrical features, a toned body, and practically flawless skin makes you conventionally attractive for the most part.

For instance this image:
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It's fine if you don't find monster girls attractive.
You might say the teeth are unattractive, or the eyes or eyebrows.
But they aren't conventionally unattractive.

It really depends on how one defines "reverse rape" really. I would even argue that the form or how the women/creatures look like doing the rape doesn't truly matter. You have games that feature faceless and shadowless men/things raping women and no one here would bat an eye and consider it a RoR/ryona game. As an example:

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What I would argue is that most artists and games very poorly portray rape on a male protagonist. I mean, it's hard for them exactly to make a well-built, 6 pack-Adonis being vulnerable, right? I would say that most hentai artists just aren't used to drawing the impact of rape on male victims by female perpetrators. My 2 cents

Anyway to the OP: Maybe try to find a manga that portrays your version of reverse rape??? That may given people in this tread a good idea as to what you're looking for despite the possible scarcity

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It's puzzlingly hard to convey "the male is unwilling". Harder yet if the beholder isn't a submissive one. I can't begin to imagine, if the girl is unattractive on top of that.

I think it's hard for most hentai artists because they tend to make expressionless generic protag male faces. It's funny because the 1st link that you put shows that. I'm sure it'd be easier to portray that if artists actually convey distress and pain through facial features. Also as an interesting tidbit, there was a study on heterosexual men who looked at porn, and the body part that they looked on the most was actually the woman's face. Again, may not apply to hentai but I think most hentai artists are very lazy at expressing emotion on their male characters. The 2nd manga which you linked, that's a fine example of portrayal of female on male rape done well in manga IMO.

 

[Dan Druff]

I'm not sure what exactly I'm looking at that, and it probably goes towards proving the above point, but this came out and might be somewhat relevant:

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Gives off a weird Shin Megami vibe? Strange enough to look interesting, at least (no pun was intended). I'll probably give the trial a run later. I missed the opportunity to concur than Mutant Minxes Meltdown was a good example. It had a great, original concept.

I thought about that title, but I actually agree with TheUnsaid on this one. I also agree with Swisher223 in that we all keep getting distracted by the appearances of the female characters. All these examples of "reverse" rape start becoming the literal definition of ryona which is a fetish for the bizarre. I don't think the Japanese come up with the best words to describe things. I was looking more for the attitude behind the work which this

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attempts to do, but it's still femdom from the eyes of a horny male. The story is about women rebelling against the patriarchy and fighting back by raping men after battle. The focus is still on the females performing the action despite the "reverse rape" tag, but I'll cut the game some slack because you play as the female. I only know of three titles which put the focus on the male taking the rape from the female enemies:

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[TheUnsaid]

I think the core of your argument @Dan Druff is probably that you want more futa-on-male content and stuff like that, because it seems like most of the games you link to have the guy being anally penetrated. But yeah, reverse rape as a tag doesn't necessarily mean the girl is taking the masculine role.

She's still taking the feminine role so I think the tag fits perfectly well with most games and devs that have the tag.

There are insane developers like mico who put the tag on their dlsite page when their game is just regular rape though so DLsite's tagging system isn't perfect. Especially since the creators themselves are the ones that add it.

 

[Triplebrc]

I think the core of your argument @Dan Druff is probably that you want more futa-on-male content and stuff like that, because it seems like most of the games you link to have the guy being anally penetrated. But yeah, reverse rape as a tag doesn't necessarily mean the girl is taking the masculine role.

This. The reverse rape tag was supposed to specifically keep things like Futa or strap-on only fucking out of the picture so actual reverse rape, female on male vaginal rape, aka actual intercourse, does not drown in all of this stuff, which was pretty important a few years back when there was almost no reverse rape on the market. While many reverse rape games still have that stuff in, almost all games with that tag are more or less guaranteed to also have a female going to town on a man without any toys or dicks. Why anyone would throw futa together with reverse rape is simply beyond me, that stuff has its very own tag for guys getting sodomized, called futa on male, and femdom ass fucking is so common it does not need its own tag, it WILL appear in femdom games. Op should just let go of the illusion that he is into reverse rape and look for full on futanari games or use the futa on male tag, as that seems a hell of a lot more likely to lead to the desired results.

 

[Dan Druff]

I wasn't actively trying to go in the futa direction, but "reverse" rape and femdom have been overlapping for years now. The only new game I found was the first link in my previous post. I think "reverse" rape means different things for different people. Some people consider women on top "reverse" rape while others see more realistic monster girls having sex with male protagonists as "reverse" rape. I was making the mistake of conflating hard femdom with "reverse" rape. If rape is only determined by intercourse, Triplebrc has a point. If rape includes violation through different means such as strap-on, then this

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should also apply. I wish I had better examples to show, but the titles in my previous post were the best I could do.

 

[TheUnsaid]

I wasn't actively trying to go in the futa direction, but "reverse rape" and femdom have been overlapping for years now. The only new game I found was the first link in my previous post. I think "reverse rape" means different things for different people. Some people consider women on top "reverse rape" while others see more realistic monster girls having sex with male protagonists as "reverse rape." I was making the mistake of conflating hard femdom with "reverse rape." If rape is only determined by intercourse, Triplebrc has a point. If rape includes violation through different means such as strap-on, then this

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should also apply. I wish I had better examples to show, but the titles in my previous post were the best I could do.

Rape encapsulates both.
If what you're looking for is extreme futa-on-male/strap-on-on-male level content, that goes into sodomy, and I'm not sure there's a specific tag for that.
I don't think DLsite has a sodomy tag, and DLsite's tagging system is pretty flawed since only the developers can tag their own games and sometimes they miss out on tags.

For instance, MGQ doesn't have the No Reversal tag.

But yeah, all I'm saying is that the core of your argument wasn't actually looking for a true definition of reverse rape, as the definition objectively fits for the games it's tagged. It's good that you're getting more comfortable with DLsite's tagging system though XD

I hope you keep finding more games to your liking.

 

[Dan Druff]

Okay, what the heck is this

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game? I can't believe I'm stepping back into this landmine of a thread to warn people not to play this stupid title. There's next to no gameplay. You either advance text or figure out where to go to advance the story. Battles are meaningless because the character is just there to lose. I know what the screenshots suggest; only one main character is like that. It's simply a waste of time to create a new thread for this particular title, so I put it here.

 

[Serifyn]

Futanari on male is gay sex between woman and man the way futanari on female is straight sex with two women.

I know it was ages since this comment was made, but i have to disagree. Male homosexuality is about being sexually attracted to the masculine male form, there are plenty of dudes who are sexually attracted to women but still like putting things in their butt.

The penis is the ultimate penetration tool sexually and technically it's only attached to biological males, however in the fantasy, it's the biological woman who is penetrating the man. In real life if you were getting fucked by a real cock it would almost certainly be attached to another male, however in Hentai, it can be attached to "Women".

This is very complicated, but liking it up the butt doesn't make one gay, its the sexual attraction to certain people that does, Ofcourse these days who really cares. I'm not at all attracted to men but one of my favorite games is Pandora's Forest. Go figure.

 

[TheUnsaid]

Okay, what the heck is this

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game? I can't believe I'm stepping back into this landmine of a thread to warn people not to play this stupid title. There's next to no gameplay. You either advance text or figure out where to go to advance the story. Battles are meaningless because the character is just there to lose. I know what the screenshots suggest; only one main character is like that. It's simply a waste of time to create a new thread for this particular title, so I put it here.

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Oh snap, I rehashed a discussion that was previously had... that was my fault.
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Ah, btw most games on DLsite are of such low quality. It's quite common to find bad games like that. If you want sexual content to your tastes, I think a lot of audio-only works do that. Though you'd have to understand spoken Japanese for the most part.

EDIT: BTW, I was looking around at games and found one that probably does it for you. I thought it'd be similar to Maragon Quest but didn't realize how hardcore it was gonna be. It's too masochistic for me. My tastes don't lean that far.
It's called

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. It's got futa enemies, male enemies(though I don't know if they do anything to you? Probably your party members tho), and strap-on content. It's got a fan-translation somewhere too. The female chars in the adult scenes are also voiced.