[Hreinn Games] Kingdom of Deception


bergax

New member
May 3, 2018
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hi guys, anyone got a save file please?
 

Krh

Jungle Girl
Apr 9, 2011
25
3
Looks like I made the right call leaving this alone after I played an early version, because KoD is good. Really good.

The setting and characters have enough thought put into them to be genuinely interesting. It's a homebrew world with all the ingredients necessary for grand drama: schemes, factions, fantasy races both familliar enough and original enough. Sexy but not governed by porn logic. Writing is descriptive without getting bogged down even in sex scenes. I noticed like two typoesque things in the whole game from start to finish, and there's a lot of text.

Art is fitting, consistent and pleasing to the eye. Especially Sabia has some expressive expressions, which help the writing bring her character to life. Some variety in poses, at least for characters who only wear one outfit, might be worth considering. Crouching catgirl, (poorly) hidden orc; that sort of thing.

Different gameplay elements like managing various resources, deciding on combat tactics and later troop allocation all make KoD quite a bit more complex than the usual fare. It's fair to say this isn't "just" a porn game: it's a game with porn in it. Add to that the various approaches to situations and NPCs available and this game has replay value beyond just unlocking scenes. Y'all are doing it right. Most def.

Spoilers because of spoilers and also as an anti-textwall measure.

Sabia
What a lovely protagonist! She's smart, pretty and competent. Also a ruthless bitch. She'll do whatever it takes to reach her goals - or will she? That seems to be for the player to decide, which is a very good thing. Not an all-powerful Mary Sue who fixes everyone's problems forever, but a character with clear strengths and weaknesses.

The whole "civilized woman forced by circumstances to interact with brutish creatures" deal is an appealing scenario and quite well handled here. I was hoping to find manipulation, hate sex, extortion (both ways) and the like without Sabia becoming a mindless slut happily slobbering on orc cock. Outside bad ends, that's how it does seem to work. The tavern orc groping scenes were very appealing to me, as was the Tekrok assfuck (that one pushed many of my buttons in a good way).

As far as looks go, I can forgive the purple hair. Acceptable rack, nice legs. Most of her outfits are meh. The rags are okay, leather armor ugly, barmaid dress cute and slave armor absolutely hideous (asymmetric horror the likes of which Korean MMO designers excrete from their creative orifices). The thigh boots and armored leotard she starts with were lovely, but so cruelly removed and never returned.

You have a protagonist here I want to see succeed but also enjoy watching struggle. Good job.

Neve
Yum. That is all.

Ylva, Maply, Whatsherface Alchemy Merchant, Lynn, Tyra, Minotaured Elf Chick
It's nice that various characters have scenes and there's stuff going on in the world, but each and every one of these is one fewer for Sabia. Cutscenes have never been my thing: I prefer games to be interactive. Learning information in a bad end, for example, is a lot more interesting than randomly getting a snippet of conversation between characters I haven't even met yet.

Catgirls are less annoying than I expected, and I'm glad I didn't torture Maply out of the game on my second playthrough. Bless you for giving me the option to do so, though.

Ylva deserves a special mention for being a smooth and plausible method of delivering all kinds of background information. Her conversations are enjoyable and I like interacting with the character. No homo.

Rokgrid, Tekrok, Dajrab, Lutvrog

I still have a lingering hatred for Lutvrog from an early version where Sabia automatically fucked him without player input, so I guess I'm not entirely impartial here. All the same, I'd like to replace that stick up his ass with dynamite, light the fuse and push him down a flight of stairs. Fight you with handicap? By handicap you mean fairly, as in you not hiding behind your 1337 gear? Seriously, though, he plays the part of rigid and honorable warrior just fine. I wish there was some way to butter him up for the arena training without having to bang him... but I suppose that's a futile hope, since his favorable interactions are colored with a schoolgirl crush.

Rokgrid and Tekrok are both quite interesting; each of them is smarter than he looks and has a plan that might actually work. Same applies to Dajrab once you get to know him a bit better. The scarred one was my last choice, since he was boringly neutral, but it turned out you had sneakily hidden chocolatey Neve goodness in there. He's a serious contender for that alone! Also would be interested to learn what magic he's using to make himself resilient to the point of invulnerability. Tekrok's appeal is somewhat lessened by the changing vibe where previously scornful orcs get all buddy-buddy after the arena and Sabia doesn't get harassed anywhere anymore. Especially after the tavern orcs get semi-randomly killed. I'll remember them fondly and Wild Swing stuff to death in their honor.

Submission being more about applying soft power than actual submission is a clever twist. Dunno about the exact values, but the concept works well. What kind of insane amount do I need to get the scene for training grounds blocking orcs? Guess the next playthrough will be a doormat Sabia.

Kia
Starts out nice. Learning to communicate with an alien intelligence is always thrilling, when done well. And it is here. Until suddenly, with zero warning, she grows a cock. You can't just spring that shit on unsuspecting players, damn it! Well, technically, you already did. But my point is you shouldn't. That particular fetish is really fucking disgusting for many of us not into it.

Stamina management felt fairly tight before I learned how long I can delay before Kulgan dies and that I don't really need to participate in every arena event. It still troubles me to leave skills unlearned or trainings unfinished. The training session with Neve should give a full 20% instead of 10%, since the 10% is wasted without also doing Lutvrog's training. Maybe an extra day or two before the orcs dismantle the arena? Or just reduce repeats needed from five times to four.

Raiding is a neat concept. Potentially lucrative and offers some opportunities for character development. Still, I wouldn't suggest shifting focus away from character interactions, because that's where the meat of this thing is.
 

wasd123333

Jungle Girl
Sep 19, 2013
137
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I like the game so far too, excellently well made. The only gripe I have with it is that since you have to make route choices, is there anyway we can collect scenes we missed? Because it seems like if you progress in certain areas of the game, you cannot get over scenes and have to do a redo-over. And although this would be fine if it's a VN, this is sort of like an RPG so you have a few elements that take up a bit of time. I was wondering if there's a way I can collect all the scenes doing 1 play through as I want experience the game fully.
 
Jul 21, 2012
3
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Where is the hunting place for unlocking the hunting training again? Can't seem to find it in the new update o-o.
 
Nov 9, 2014
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Looks like I made the right call leaving this alone after I played an early version, because KoD is good. Really good.
Hey, thanks! I can't reply to every detail, but I want to emphasize how happy I am to get such detailed feedback on all aspects of the game. ^-^

I like the game so far too, excellently well made. The only gripe I have with it is that since you have to make route choices, is there anyway we can collect scenes we missed? Because it seems like if you progress in certain areas of the game, you cannot get over scenes and have to do a redo-over. And although this would be fine if it's a VN, this is sort of like an RPG so you have a few elements that take up a bit of time. I was wondering if there's a way I can collect all the scenes doing 1 play through as I want experience the game fully.
Sorry, but this aspect of the game will be at odds with what you're hoping for. We wanted to emphasize player choice and replayability, and we wanted that to include some unique content. Having said that, we do aim for the majority of scenes to be available on a single playthrough.

Where is the hunting place for unlocking the hunting training again? Can't seem to find it in the new update o-o.
It's the forest to the left of camp. But to be clear, you unlock it via Rokgrid's early offer.
 

evron

Jungle Girl
Jan 17, 2013
16
3
I found about this game only recently and boy, do I love it!

This is one of those rare porn games that actually are games.
Usually the gameplay and the story are just stuff unworthy of attention put between a porn scene and another.
Kingdom of Deception on the other hand, is not only great on the sexy side, but features good gameplay and a really interesting and fleshed out story.
Bravo good sir.

One thing that I have particurarly enjoyed about the characterization of the Orcs, is how you keep paying attention to the way they speak.
Seeing Ylva switch between I and her own name depending on the formality of the situation, really gives the character that extra depth that makes you enjoy the story way more.
Or at least that's what I felt like during my numerous playthroughs.

I have just some small concerns about how sometimes the game feels a little too much grindy. I would suggest lowering the stamina cost for some actions so you can actually do that 1 or 2 extra actions per day that would speed the game up in a good way in my opinion. It's not so much fun having to go back to your tent twice in a row just to max out that stamina bar.
Or maybe you could make it so that leveling up makes it so that resting fills more of your stamina bar.

One other small concern is about the pacing of the last part of the game, when you meet Kia (I believe it was introduced in the last patch). It kind of felt more slow compared to the other parts of the game, and lacking of playable content. It was like the game suddenly became just a generic visual novel where player's actions don't really matter.
Just giving my two cents!

On a side note, I am having difficulties unlocking the sixth scene starting from the bottom of the gallery. Reading some walkthroughs, it's supposed to be unlocked by offering to have sex with Galbag. I've tried many times to unlock it with maxed out submission but to no avail. Possibly bugged?

Overall, great work and I'm really looking forward to the next release!
 
Jul 11, 2018
20
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Love the setting! The art is mostly good, I feel there is a slight difference in quality sometimes. But hey, most of it is awesome, and you always got good and bad days aye!?
 
Jul 12, 2018
19
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Okay, i've been playing the latest version for a will, and now's the time for some... *breath in* COMPLIMENTS !
I want both of you, Nomo and Sierra Lee that even if the game is not done yet, you managed to create my favorite H-games of all.

Sierra Lee first of all, I'm deeply impressed by the quality of your writting. In a first time, you created a whole fantasy world that sound logical, rich and makes us (or at least me) wants to see more and to know more about the differents races, kingdoms, locations, etc... And a good made-up universe in the world of Hentai Games is something to cheer lovely. Secondly, Your dialogues are always interesting to read and it as never comes to me the will to pass them (Well except when I start new game of course. But even then sometimes I re-read some of them !) and you are as good as the sexy things as everything else ! I could fell the tension in the trials and was always worried to the chief's choice (It's not Ace Attorney but still, the tribal settings is well used !) Honestly, best Visual Novel I red so far. And what about the characters ? All of them had my full intention. The captains are deeper than they may look (Tekrok is my favorite one ! I allow myself to ask / propose something... do you plan a route or an ending where Sabia ends as Tekror's slave in "secret" will she actually managed to accomplish her revenge ? That be sooo awesome !) and same things for Jadk, Neve, etc... And I guess you both worked on the game system itself, and I must say that I admire how you can do so many things with such a simple gameplay. Also, even if I'm not into some stuff like Yuri or Futanari, managing to put that must fetish in your game in such a consistent way, I must applaud !

And now Nomo about you'r art... Well I already look like I'm a kiss ass but fuck it, I like using strong words on strong feelings ! After I discoverd KoD I played Noxian Nights, and damn you made a lot of progress ! You god damn managed to become my favourite Western artist in the place èAé ! I'll tell you what I love in your arts. Obviously the style : The shape of the characters are just what i'm into and Sabia is god damn sexy, I love the not-so-beast-like looking of the orcs that makes them more close to humans (Which plays a lot with Sabia's conflict about her relashionship with the orc race) and finaly, I like the simple aspect of the tribe and the map itself. Then, what I enjoy as equally is the colours. It is supposed to be a dark fantasy universe ? You helps prooving that you don't need to draw Bloodborn to shows it with a lot of impact. You managed to geave a mix of a dim (I can't be sure it's the good word...) atmospher will keeping it colourful with lively colours and helps KoD to have it's very one signature. Your art by itself is an incredible asset to the game as, even if I love a lot of japanese works, the manga style is somehow extremly codified and I always have this impression that too many games looks like each others, and I'm so happy to see something unique here.

Both of you, I sincerly want to say thank you. As you says on Patreon it's truely some talents you have here and at least to me, what you are making now is not only my new favourite H-game, but it's also one of my favourite simple Video Game ! I love playing KoD and I can only hope for more and more stuff in the future ! And as I also want those damn bonus art, you can count on my Patreon as soon as I'm able to geave money +__+ !!

Keep going this way Hreinn Games ! Keep doing such a magnificent work !

I'm deeply sorry if I may look over the top in my post, I'm extremly hyped by the game and I was never so attached to a H-game by the past so I can only swear that i'm honnest in my words. And also, as english is not my first language, some sentence may sound weird for some and mistakes I could've made and I apologize for it. Yet, I hope it may still geave to people the will to try it and also to keeps you too motivated on your work and cheers you up !
 
Nov 9, 2014
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Thanks for the feedback, everyone!

On a side note, I am having difficulties unlocking the sixth scene starting from the bottom of the gallery. Reading some walkthroughs, it's supposed to be unlocked by offering to have sex with Galbag. I've tried many times to unlock it with maxed out submission but to no avail. Possibly bugged?
Unclear on which scene and orc you mean here, sorry.
 

evron

Jungle Girl
Jan 17, 2013
16
3
Thanks for the feedback, everyone!


Unclear on which scene and orc you mean here, sorry.
I'm posting a screen of the gallery.

Galbag is the orc you meet at the tavern who is messing up the training grounds' schedule, preventing you to train your troops after you get the permission to do raids.
 

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Nov 9, 2014
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That's probably an issue of insufficient Sub points, then. If you go through that event quest (without resolving it prematurely or bringing along troops) then an option will come up to convince him via the scene. It has the highest Sub requirement in the game so far, but the upcoming update could help with that.
 

Whiptail

Jungle Girl
May 25, 2017
18
1
Hello sorry if i try to revive the topic seeing that the version 0.6 is coming but i have a question. How do we unlock the scene with "Kia" Cause each time i try on my save she dont offer to mate even if i have all the bones. I Try to do it following a guide but it doesnt worked.
Is there something that i miss because after seing her crying i cant see her anymore which is normal i know.
So if someone have an answer i would be really happy. a full gallery will do too. Thanks in advance and sorry for my English
 

Decanter

Jungle Girl
May 30, 2016
8
3
Some feedback on release 0.6.4.

Spelling/grammar/etc.:
"As she hit the ground, Sabia shook off her surprise and got to her feet. That snare had been build for someone of human size,
build -> built


Orc Slave Armor description "Shows off your body as a property."
strike "a"

Catgirl Ring description "As expected from Catgirls,"
lowercase "Catgirls"

"They chatted about lighter subjects as they got further from camp, then Neve drew silent as she began to focus, apparently following signs that Sabia couldn't noticed."
noticed -> notice

"Sabia moved alongside Neve and poked at the tunnel with her foot. It did indeed feel old and undisturbed. Curious about the shape of it, Sabia set above shifting some more dirt with her foot."
above -> about ?

vehlis "You never know when having proper records might prove you right in valuable trade deal."
Not sure what you meant to say in the second half of this sentence, but it's ungrammatical.

"It listed - in detail - each ship, the crew on each of them, all supplies and debts that the Captain's carried,
Captain's -> captains ?

"Only then did Sabia realized that they were being watched.
realized -> realize


gorbek "...aggressive hellhounds, human tribe-members and angry catgirls. Ugh. Gorbek don't know what's going on anymore."
comma after "tribe-members"?

"The hound barked, gnashing its wicked, glinting teeth. It's saliva splattered the walls from the force of the jaws snapping."
It's -> Its

"Vehlis's favour whizzed about the Arena once more,
favour -> favor ?

maply "Good boy! You're such a good boy, aren't you? That mean Orc doesn't know anything!"
lowercase "Orc"

s "I didn't know fathers stuck around for their catgirls daughters?"
"catgirls daughters" isn't correct.

s "Your dad was a four legged animal, with a horn from his forehead?!"
four legged -> four-legged

maply "Ehehehe! Everyone always get confused when I say that cause the Elves are named after the animal. They've got a pretty deep connection, I think. And it goes back so long too!"
s "Huh. I knew catgirls could mate with animals - but I thought it was uncommon, and they preferred Elves."
lowercase "Elves"

"Before Sabia had the chance to say anything else, the hound's barked boomed through the forest, bouncing off the trees."
barked -> bark

"The hound moved easily through the forests, seeming to pivot and dart off into another direction without stopping."
into -> in

"Sabia couldn't help but feel a sense of smugness, even if most of the work had been done for the hound."
for the hound -> by the hound ?

s "Do orcs... I mean, do warriors tribes fish?
"warriors tribes" is incorrect.

"Flirt with them" seems to lower L_orcs - not sure if that's correct.

"The blows Ylva dealt with her staff looked painful, but didn't take down the orcs right away. But none of their blows had a chance of touching her. Her staff caught every blows except the ones she let pass
every blows -> every blow

s "I'm sorry Maply... I'm not sure what else we could try. I'm not an expert in hounds, let alone Orcish hellhounds..."
lowercase "Orcish"

gorbek "Can't sell with just one day of good behaviour.
behaviour -> behavior


"Her eyes rolled back in her head as the word grew dim
word -> world

"Finally the orc pulled out of her throat, letting her gasp for air. She was so glad to breath again that she didn't even struggle
breath -> breathe

"He wasn't. Elmy choked and moaned as she was again filled from both ends. Her both flushed and reacted involuntarily as the orcs began to fuck her yet again.
Her both flushed -> She both flushed ?


"Sabia eased into place between Lutvrog's muscular legs, letting her breasts settled around his cock.
settled -> settle

"Now that his cock was good and wet, she began to lavish attention all over his head, her tongue lapping over the huge organ. As she found her rhythm she looked up at him, maintain eye contact as she wrapped her tits around the cock she was so eagerly sucking."
maintain -> maintaining


"Maply's worry that the hound might lose control, and start wildly rutting into her seemed misplaced.
comma after "into her"

"The sound of the hound's body slapping against her toned ass and thighs bounced around the empty Arena. Her teasing movements and contractions had been too much for the hound. Maply's ass jiggled almost uncontrollable as the hellhound thrust in and out of Maply's almost-too-small tunnel."
uncontrollable -> uncontrollably

"Her moans didn't stop him, and it only seemed to make him go faster.
remove "it"?

"He had been eager, and it had felt... okay. But she knew why it hadn't felt as good as everyone had told her would.
told her would -> told her it would

"She had never felt as full as she did right now. Her tunnel squeezed upon every square inch of the hounds cock
hounds -> hound's


ylva "Y-yes! Just... keeping going..."
keeping -> keep

"Kia bent down and kissing at her neck again.
kissing -> kissed


"Tired of pushing against the uncomfortable rocks, Sabia tightened her grip on Neve's thigh and pulled the other woman closer. Neve gave a low moan and accepted it eagerly, meeting her gaze as their bodies sliding together even more closely.
sliding -> slid

"As Sabia succumbed to the pleasure over and over, she felt the tentacles began to throb.
began -> begin
Other notes:
This update in general I notice an issue where music doesn't return to normal after sex or combat.

The cheap food and beer in Arioch's shop associated with the Elmy squad reward still says it's for Horned God Night, even though that's past and it's not for that.

Not sure how I was supposed to know to check this Forest Ruin. Just did it randomly.

The bird toy from Alioch doesn't appear in the inventory.

All this hellhound questing just makes me wonder what happened to the hellhound Sabia befriended for the Red God sequence.

These orcs don't change expression as the hellhound eats them.

So Maply is dumb because her sire is a dumb animal, I guess.