Re: In today's news...
Actually most coups begin when the head of state is out of country. Don't ask me why but they historically begin when the head of state is gone.
Really? Honestly, I would've thought having the head of state nearby would make it easy to capture him/her and arrest him/her, while also slowly taking over the rest of the state? It's like taking care of the root of all evil right away.
If Erdogan was captured right from the start, with no word from him to be heard, maybe those enthusiastic civilians who apparently died/were wounded for their beloved leader wouldn't have done it. Or even more might've done it, if their one true leader were captured. Hummm, it's never easy to determine what would've been if...
Either way I lean towards the coup being very poorly planned and/or being subverted by Turkish intelligence so that it was completely ineffective. Whichever it is I'm sure Erdogan will try to use it as his own personal Reichstag fire and seizure of more power.
I agree. Erdogan initiating this coup would be an all-time low, that wouldn't be too far off his methods to be honest. But I do hope it was an actual, even though really bad, coup, as it kinda makes me feel like there are Turks who are not okay with what's going on, and what's happening to their rights. If it was an actual coup, even though it failed, it shows the world that there are still minds within Turkey that resent Erdogan and his politics.
Recent rumour is that the USA got the coup started
And Erdogoat is pissed about it and threatened the US unless they give him people who he thinks are responsible for it
I read about some former Turkish politician now living in the US
maybe, somehow, probably being somehow responsible for this, but at this point newspapers might be pretty much printing anything. And in my personal opinion, I don't think one former Turkish politician would have the US execute a coup that acts and ends so poorly...
Also, I'm still wondering about all those judges who were suspended. The "kind of official word" is that in the high ranks of jurisdiction, there might've been helpers/traitors. Still, I don't see the reason why 3000 judges are removed from their duty when there's so much actual justice to be done soon.....oh wait, maybe I see a point there.