Merrill
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Re: [Makura cover soft|SLG]Leane of Legitimate Crown
Unless there was something else that came out it's actually a light novel. More words less pictures. The one for the second game is the same.
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Unless there was something else that came out it's actually a light novel. More words less pictures. The one for the second game is the same.
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Re: [Makura cover soft|SLG]Leane of Legitimate Crown
So is the game out now or what?
So is the game out now or what?
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Seems like I was wrong you can actually get the love versions of Nora and Dorathy on any route, even both at the same time. Guess when I tested I wasn't far enough map conquest.
Seems like I was wrong you can actually get the love versions of Nora and Dorathy on any route, even both at the same time. Guess when I tested I wasn't far enough map conquest.
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Hmm I seem to have softlocked my game. In the section where you capture the fort and the Curler event pops up (As Hestia), and then when the 5 guys decide to go back to the mines, since there was already an impending battle, I fought multiple battles at the fort as the group tried to leave, and now the whole game is unresponsive and only right click works, none of the menu buttons are operational.
Edit: I figured out why after replaying that part, if you use anyone that's story-locked and they fall in combat, then obviously the game doesn't detect that they've all arrived and sits there.
Hmm I seem to have softlocked my game. In the section where you capture the fort and the Curler event pops up (As Hestia), and then when the 5 guys decide to go back to the mines, since there was already an impending battle, I fought multiple battles at the fort as the group tried to leave, and now the whole game is unresponsive and only right click works, none of the menu buttons are operational.
Edit: I figured out why after replaying that part, if you use anyone that's story-locked and they fall in combat, then obviously the game doesn't detect that they've all arrived and sits there.
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habisain
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Re: [Makura cover soft|SLG]Leane of Legitimate Crown
So, after deciding that I really didn't want to complete the game multiple times to unlock everything (it's just so long! They shouldn't be boasting about a 2MB script, they should be attacking it with an editing knife!), I decided to do a quick unlock everything cheat. As this is Kirikiri, it was but the work of moments to hack the game open and insert a script that unlocked all events.
Attached is the resulting save. If memory serves Kirikiri games only like one set of save files at a time, and doesn't like mix and match, so either back up your own save games or be prepared to lose all of them.
EDIT: A save for v1.20 onwards is over here: http://www.ulmf.org/bbs/showpost.php?p=962688&postcount=986 . To avoid confusion, I've deleted the save here.
So, after deciding that I really didn't want to complete the game multiple times to unlock everything (it's just so long! They shouldn't be boasting about a 2MB script, they should be attacking it with an editing knife!), I decided to do a quick unlock everything cheat. As this is Kirikiri, it was but the work of moments to hack the game open and insert a script that unlocked all events.
Attached is the resulting save. If memory serves Kirikiri games only like one set of save files at a time, and doesn't like mix and match, so either back up your own save games or be prepared to lose all of them.
EDIT: A save for v1.20 onwards is over here: http://www.ulmf.org/bbs/showpost.php?p=962688&postcount=986 . To avoid confusion, I've deleted the save here.
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You know with so much delay I thought the guy would release a somewhat complete game. But I had to realize that some of the girls lack majority of their scenes.
So I wonder what the delay was about. The game mechanics weren't turning out as he wanted? The battle is almost the same as in the previous games, expect a few new classes and skills. The ai still sucks at city managing, and strategy.
The whole system still seems incomplete.
You know with so much delay I thought the guy would release a somewhat complete game. But I had to realize that some of the girls lack majority of their scenes.
So I wonder what the delay was about. The game mechanics weren't turning out as he wanted? The battle is almost the same as in the previous games, expect a few new classes and skills. The ai still sucks at city managing, and strategy.
The whole system still seems incomplete.
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It does seem incomplete. I think the basic problem is the scope of the game; as I mentioned, it has a 2MB script. That is phenomenally huge - taking into account the differences in language, it's probably about the same size as the original Baldur's Gate. It must be fantastically difficult to manage a game of that size for a small team. It's unnecessarily long too; lots of cutscenes end with the characters summarising what happened.
Now take into account that this is a game that's been implemented in KiriKiri - a visual novel engine. That's great for all the cutscenes, but the main game is not a visual novel. It's not a good choice for making general games in (needs a lot of work to do), and the people programming it clearly do not know AI - they're using a very basic state machine which has no planning abilities. And frankly, it suffers from the same problem as the script: everything takes too long. The game really needed closer together settlements, and a way of making the battle faster. Or at least, non-modal - one battle at a time really kills the pacing of the game.
And the H-scenes don't actually make that much sense in a way, which is highly irritating. For example, at the beginning of the Harem a big deal is made about how the King will take away female generals and immediately fuck them. But any new girl in the Harem ends up having a multiple week wait before the King fucks them - why? It's a freaking harem. Girls get fucked in a harem. That's the entire point of it.. Of course there's the justification that this if for a player response, but why the immediacy of the initial scene then? Also the procedural NTR doesn't quite work either, because they changed the way they calculate who gets inducted to be based more on whether or not they're a war hero that if they're in love with Ares.
A similar criticism of the abduction mechanic: why does it take multiple months to get a girls clothes off? Surely they're not wearing the same underwear for months? And it doesn't take that long in some of the cutscenes, either. Also, why does capture have to be through defeat in battle? Wouldn't it have been more interesting to have enemy spies abduct the generals? Like the cutscenes in the game where that happens?
Given that the game system seems pretty much unchanged from Leane 1, with the exception of the King's Harem mechanic, my suspicion with this game is that they bit off more than they could chew with the script, and instead of cutting it down to a manageable size and focusing on bits that would have improved gameplay, they decided to try and incorporate everything into their old engine with minimal changes. And because the game combat is all paced for the much smaller map of Leane 1, it feels far too slow in the massively bigger map of Leane 2. Similarly, because there really isn't much fundamentally different in Leane 2, it suffers from a lack of variety of content and get stale fast.
So in summary: It's likely incomplete, plays poorly, doesn't innovate that much over the first game, has a lot of things that make no freaking sense, and suffers from being too big. Hopefully they'll address the incompleteness by adding stuff later, but I don't think this is a recommended game.
Rant over.
It does seem incomplete. I think the basic problem is the scope of the game; as I mentioned, it has a 2MB script. That is phenomenally huge - taking into account the differences in language, it's probably about the same size as the original Baldur's Gate. It must be fantastically difficult to manage a game of that size for a small team. It's unnecessarily long too; lots of cutscenes end with the characters summarising what happened.
Now take into account that this is a game that's been implemented in KiriKiri - a visual novel engine. That's great for all the cutscenes, but the main game is not a visual novel. It's not a good choice for making general games in (needs a lot of work to do), and the people programming it clearly do not know AI - they're using a very basic state machine which has no planning abilities. And frankly, it suffers from the same problem as the script: everything takes too long. The game really needed closer together settlements, and a way of making the battle faster. Or at least, non-modal - one battle at a time really kills the pacing of the game.
And the H-scenes don't actually make that much sense in a way, which is highly irritating. For example, at the beginning of the Harem a big deal is made about how the King will take away female generals and immediately fuck them. But any new girl in the Harem ends up having a multiple week wait before the King fucks them - why? It's a freaking harem. Girls get fucked in a harem. That's the entire point of it.. Of course there's the justification that this if for a player response, but why the immediacy of the initial scene then? Also the procedural NTR doesn't quite work either, because they changed the way they calculate who gets inducted to be based more on whether or not they're a war hero that if they're in love with Ares.
A similar criticism of the abduction mechanic: why does it take multiple months to get a girls clothes off? Surely they're not wearing the same underwear for months? And it doesn't take that long in some of the cutscenes, either. Also, why does capture have to be through defeat in battle? Wouldn't it have been more interesting to have enemy spies abduct the generals? Like the cutscenes in the game where that happens?
Given that the game system seems pretty much unchanged from Leane 1, with the exception of the King's Harem mechanic, my suspicion with this game is that they bit off more than they could chew with the script, and instead of cutting it down to a manageable size and focusing on bits that would have improved gameplay, they decided to try and incorporate everything into their old engine with minimal changes. And because the game combat is all paced for the much smaller map of Leane 1, it feels far too slow in the massively bigger map of Leane 2. Similarly, because there really isn't much fundamentally different in Leane 2, it suffers from a lack of variety of content and get stale fast.
So in summary: It's likely incomplete, plays poorly, doesn't innovate that much over the first game, has a lot of things that make no freaking sense, and suffers from being too big. Hopefully they'll address the incompleteness by adding stuff later, but I don't think this is a recommended game.
Rant over.
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Re: [Makura cover soft|SLG]Leane of Legitimate Crown
Hey Wessex... you know what you are!? Just a dirty son of a AAAAEA!
Well, on the plus side of things at least people aren't calling bloody murder for being disappointed. With all the stall tactics the developer made to help the game and even then ended on a poor note, I'm quite surprised by people's tame criticism. Still, not sure what the developer wanted to accomplish by hyping his game for release back then when he knew it wasn't anywhere near completed. Is this the way to get attention by controversy method?
Hey Wessex... you know what you are!? Just a dirty son of a AAAAEA!
Well, on the plus side of things at least people aren't calling bloody murder for being disappointed. With all the stall tactics the developer made to help the game and even then ended on a poor note, I'm quite surprised by people's tame criticism. Still, not sure what the developer wanted to accomplish by hyping his game for release back then when he knew it wasn't anywhere near completed. Is this the way to get attention by controversy method?
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Their validity as excuses is debatable. On the higher difficulties, keeping the King happy can be pretty damn hard, and the only way I managed it was by deliberately sacrificing certain girls to his harem. I can easily see a more casual player who picks Gold difficulty for funsies getting his whole cast swallowed by the harem because he didn't take the necessary precautions. All in all, I like how the harem turned out, even if it's somewhat lacking in scenes in my opinion.
On the matter of abduction, I'm dissapointed. Rescuing the girls is too easy, and the only way for me to see those scenes is to deliberately play badly. I don't like that. More so since it could easily be avoided by making the AI make use of LV4 prison's ability to move prisoners. It would be pretty cool if after abducting one of your girls they then proceded to move her closer to the heart of their empire, making it harder for you to get her back. As it stands, I don't feel any pressure.
I don't remember anything about the first game so I can't really compare, but my objections aren't with the length and the mechanics, they are in the content. It's lengthy, yes, but that wouldn't be a problem if it had random events or more storyline in it. Like, after defending the bridge and coming back to the city I was sort of expecting... more. Where the hell are all the girls? Two of them were in the harem, sure, but everybody else just dissapears to never be seen again until the end of the game. Or until you throw them into the enemy's hands to be raped, but that doesn't count.
The last part of the game is doubly guilty of this, since it doesn't even have any porn (that I've seen). You can still fuck your wife if you have one, but there's no scenes and not even a chance to make her pregnant so it's as exciting as a sleeping sloth.
The mechanics could easily be glossed over by making the story more entertaining. Not that I find them objectionable to begin with.
As a side note, I played in Gold and the AI was pretty adamant on building stuff. I don't think it built LV6 prisons and LV3 canons but that may be the case in Platinum. In any case, half of the time I checked on them they were building stuff.
There's in-game justification for those two. The clothes are "magical" and so hard to break (I guess they also clean themselves, maybe), and Baroque is pretty big on consensual (for a certain definition of consensual) so he takes his time convincing the girls.
Their validity as excuses is debatable. On the higher difficulties, keeping the King happy can be pretty damn hard, and the only way I managed it was by deliberately sacrificing certain girls to his harem. I can easily see a more casual player who picks Gold difficulty for funsies getting his whole cast swallowed by the harem because he didn't take the necessary precautions. All in all, I like how the harem turned out, even if it's somewhat lacking in scenes in my opinion.
On the matter of abduction, I'm dissapointed. Rescuing the girls is too easy, and the only way for me to see those scenes is to deliberately play badly. I don't like that. More so since it could easily be avoided by making the AI make use of LV4 prison's ability to move prisoners. It would be pretty cool if after abducting one of your girls they then proceded to move her closer to the heart of their empire, making it harder for you to get her back. As it stands, I don't feel any pressure.
I don't remember anything about the first game so I can't really compare, but my objections aren't with the length and the mechanics, they are in the content. It's lengthy, yes, but that wouldn't be a problem if it had random events or more storyline in it. Like, after defending the bridge and coming back to the city I was sort of expecting... more. Where the hell are all the girls? Two of them were in the harem, sure, but everybody else just dissapears to never be seen again until the end of the game. Or until you throw them into the enemy's hands to be raped, but that doesn't count.
The last part of the game is doubly guilty of this, since it doesn't even have any porn (that I've seen). You can still fuck your wife if you have one, but there's no scenes and not even a chance to make her pregnant so it's as exciting as a sleeping sloth.
The mechanics could easily be glossed over by making the story more entertaining. Not that I find them objectionable to begin with.
As a side note, I played in Gold and the AI was pretty adamant on building stuff. I don't think it built LV6 prisons and LV3 canons but that may be the case in Platinum. In any case, half of the time I checked on them they were building stuff.
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Re: [Makura cover soft|SLG]Leane of Legitimate Crown
Heh I did that, and it was definitely happening as you describe. But when I was invading red I designed a super long path the guards would have to follow to reach my girls who fought together as a unit, which eventually became long enough that the guards could no longer reach them. I accidentally let it get closed off though when I wasn't paying attention, and to my surprise the King's guards started suiciding at the nearest occupied enemy city between them and the girls. After the lot of them got wiped out they re-spawned and did it again. They successfully captured the city, which had a guy that was at least level 30, then caught up to the girls, lol. Anyways, I thought that was an interesting result.
I agree that the capture mechanic is somewhat of a letdown because of how easy it is to rescue the girls.
Heh I did that, and it was definitely happening as you describe. But when I was invading red I designed a super long path the guards would have to follow to reach my girls who fought together as a unit, which eventually became long enough that the guards could no longer reach them. I accidentally let it get closed off though when I wasn't paying attention, and to my surprise the King's guards started suiciding at the nearest occupied enemy city between them and the girls. After the lot of them got wiped out they re-spawned and did it again. They successfully captured the city, which had a guy that was at least level 30, then caught up to the girls, lol. Anyways, I thought that was an interesting result.
I agree that the capture mechanic is somewhat of a letdown because of how easy it is to rescue the girls.
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Re: [Makura cover soft|SLG]Leane of Legitimate Crown
Thank you for the save habisain. I'm just going to mirror the disappointment of some other users a few pages back regarding the CGs. There's a distinct lack of variety in positions, dialogue and camera angles.
If I hadn't given up on dealing with the crashes and kept trying only to be rewarded with essentially the same scenes over and over again I would've been quite miffed.
Thank you for the save habisain. I'm just going to mirror the disappointment of some other users a few pages back regarding the CGs. There's a distinct lack of variety in positions, dialogue and camera angles.
If I hadn't given up on dealing with the crashes and kept trying only to be rewarded with essentially the same scenes over and over again I would've been quite miffed.
habisain
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On the disappointment with the game: I can rant and complain about this game all day. I mean the characters. It's like there's only two people in the entire Highland Kingdom area who can exercise free will, and the rest will obey any dumb command! I know NTR games often have weak willed protagonists, but this is freaking ridiculous! And the repetitious nature of the CG...
OK... Calm down... Breath...
Let's be clear on something. Even with everything I've said, I am glad this game exists. There are interesting ideas in here, and that's always welcome. This game does feature H-mechanics with more meaning that most games, which is great. I am disappointed that some of the really interesting stuff that was hinted at in the demo's code was removed/reworked. I am annoyed that they pretty much sat on their laurels and didn't rework the core gameplay so that it was fun, and by the fact that they didn't check to make sure the story made sense with the mechanics. And I am incredibly frustrated that there wasn't more imagination put into the game mechanics, and that the execution of the game is so gobsmackingly bad that you have to really, really persevere before getting any kind of substantial reward, and even then the majority of the rewards are for playing badly.
(Of course there's an argument that this isn't true on higher difficulties where you may have to make strategic sacrifices, but I am of the school of thought that you should always judge a game on it's normal difficulty; I assume this is Silver for this game. On the ingame excuses for the delays, I don't believe they're valid; the girls will presumable go to the toilet when captured, which will involve voluntarily removing their magic clothes - to suggest they're wearing the same clothes for weeks is ridiculous. And for some of the characters, Baroque will straight up rape them, so I don't buy him wanting consensual sex.)
As I said, I am glad the game exists. It is just so irritating to see good ideas squandered by bad execution.
On the disappointment with the game: I can rant and complain about this game all day. I mean the characters. It's like there's only two people in the entire Highland Kingdom area who can exercise free will, and the rest will obey any dumb command! I know NTR games often have weak willed protagonists, but this is freaking ridiculous! And the repetitious nature of the CG...
OK... Calm down... Breath...
Let's be clear on something. Even with everything I've said, I am glad this game exists. There are interesting ideas in here, and that's always welcome. This game does feature H-mechanics with more meaning that most games, which is great. I am disappointed that some of the really interesting stuff that was hinted at in the demo's code was removed/reworked. I am annoyed that they pretty much sat on their laurels and didn't rework the core gameplay so that it was fun, and by the fact that they didn't check to make sure the story made sense with the mechanics. And I am incredibly frustrated that there wasn't more imagination put into the game mechanics, and that the execution of the game is so gobsmackingly bad that you have to really, really persevere before getting any kind of substantial reward, and even then the majority of the rewards are for playing badly.
(Of course there's an argument that this isn't true on higher difficulties where you may have to make strategic sacrifices, but I am of the school of thought that you should always judge a game on it's normal difficulty; I assume this is Silver for this game. On the ingame excuses for the delays, I don't believe they're valid; the girls will presumable go to the toilet when captured, which will involve voluntarily removing their magic clothes - to suggest they're wearing the same clothes for weeks is ridiculous. And for some of the characters, Baroque will straight up rape them, so I don't buy him wanting consensual sex.)
As I said, I am glad the game exists. It is just so irritating to see good ideas squandered by bad execution.
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Personally I like the story. It slowly builds up so that you'll like and feel attached to the heroines, then hits you with a jackhammer with the surprise NTR. The harem system is brilliant. You have to actively prevent the heroines from being NTRed. It keeps you on your toes throughout the game and as a result you have a constant feeling of dread following you.
I agree the abduction system is shit though. You pretty much have to intentionally send the girls for it to trigger. The event also takes way too long to trigger and it's extremely easy to rescue the girls. Because you have to actively work for it, it doesn't feel like NTR anymore. There's no feeling of dread.
But I think we should give the author a break. It's a one-man team. Also there's nothing wrong with using Kirikiri as a game engine. Some commercial eroge companies also use it like that too. Look at dualtail, ninetails, and KISS for example.
Personally I like the story. It slowly builds up so that you'll like and feel attached to the heroines, then hits you with a jackhammer with the surprise NTR. The harem system is brilliant. You have to actively prevent the heroines from being NTRed. It keeps you on your toes throughout the game and as a result you have a constant feeling of dread following you.
I agree the abduction system is shit though. You pretty much have to intentionally send the girls for it to trigger. The event also takes way too long to trigger and it's extremely easy to rescue the girls. Because you have to actively work for it, it doesn't feel like NTR anymore. There's no feeling of dread.
But I think we should give the author a break. It's a one-man team. Also there's nothing wrong with using Kirikiri as a game engine. Some commercial eroge companies also use it like that too. Look at dualtail, ninetails, and KISS for example.
Re: [Makura cover soft|SLG]Leane of Legitimate Crown
Eh, ran into the same issues with this game as I did with the first. Learning curve, and issues hooking (although it sounds like there's a trans or partial for the original now). Some of the stuff isn't particularly intuitive, so unless you don't mind a lot of restarts, it gets frustrating fast. Based on the comments about this one though, it sounds like it isn't really worth the effort.
Eh, ran into the same issues with this game as I did with the first. Learning curve, and issues hooking (although it sounds like there's a trans or partial for the original now). Some of the stuff isn't particularly intuitive, so unless you don't mind a lot of restarts, it gets frustrating fast. Based on the comments about this one though, it sounds like it isn't really worth the effort.