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Animated CG sounds like something that could easily be added post-launch, assuming it's just graphics and no game-play modifications. If I were a backer I'd vote for initial completion of the game before adding too many extra bells and whistles but I can understand the need to balance game-play and graphics additions for the backers in each update.
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I don't see how it was a particularly difficult analogy to grasp, but since your response indicates you didn't understand it, I'll try a more direct approach.I hate when people try to use food analogies when talking about video games in any capacity. You're comparing two wildly different industries who have different standards, practices, etc. It's a lazy attempt at trying to make a point. Also, in your example, I'm not even sure what you're trying to touch upon; but if you're suggesting someone asking for a free sample isn't treated with the same respect and courtesy as someone who pays for a coffee, then you're dead wrong. The boss rides your ass for not treating each customer equally, regardless of whether they order a full-sized coffee or a free sample. You can even get fired for that shit.
source: I've worked food/service numerous times.
Far from it. It doesn't even look like we're discussing the same post. I keep re-reading mine and can't figure out what you're going on about.That said...
They've been working on this thing for well over a year iirc. If they're confident in their ability to put out a release every 3 months, I wouldn't question the "wisdom" of jack. You even point out later in your post that their team and hardware has improved quite a bit compared to the first release, so I'm not sure about the point you're trying to make. Are you trying to insinuate that, despite these advantages, they couldn't achieve what they set out to do?
Well the post was originally made discussing the possible issues with producing the whole game without art assets, then an entirely new addition noted by the big "EDIT" tag, and another entirely new addition noted by another big "EDIT" tag, along with the reason given for the edit reading "Added a different thought". One might - just maybe - think that the post was three separate remarks to avoid double/triple posting.Honestly, there are parts of your post that seem strewn together partly through google translate and partly through a bot. It's hard to comprehend the point you're attempting to make.
3. While I don't know if the "roughly 3 months" benchmark will be accurate, I can say that it wasn't until the tail end of October that the last version was released, which means they've still got until the tail end of February (since November, December, and January = three month window). What I can say is that given the progress I've seen on the patreon feed, it would not surprise me if they manage to have the next tech demo out by the end of February, but I'm nobody official so my estimates are mere speculations.
I hate when people try to use food analogies when talking about video games in any capacity. You're comparing two wildly different industries who have different standards, practices, etc. It's a lazy attempt at trying to make a point.
One poster likened the development to ordering a cup of coffee, complaining that it wasn't out.
What is it about forums that attract so many spergs?
Fixed that for you buddy. Also watch the irony there, comedy is fine but don't overdo it.
All I did was put it into perspective. The analogy was a cup of coffee, but anyone who bothered to read about what they're investing into would understand that a cup of coffee is not being ordered, the development of a cup of coffee is. The following is copied verbatim from the Patreon frontpage.And you completely misunderstood what that post was arguing. The point was that IF you order a cup of coffee you don't give a fuck what goes into making it, you just want your damn coffee, not getting your coffee means you're not satisfied regardless of the fact that the coffee machine broke or the barista got the sniffles. The point wasn't justifying this mentality, merely explaining that this was the mentality you're dealing with, so simply repeating the excuses they weren't satisfied with is a waste of everyone's time, these people don't use Patreon in the manner you do or think it should be used as, so keep that in mind.
MatM Project Page said:The goal for this project is to make an amazing game that can be distributed in both English and Japanese, and we need your help to do it!
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How does the donation process work? What do I get in return for helping out?
Patreon works a little differently than traditional crowdfunding platforms. When you make a pledge to this project, you are charged for your initial pledge, and then on a monthly basis until you choose to end your support.
Pledging $3 per month will give you instant access to the project activity feed, allowing you to see and comment on updates that I post. This includes monthly in-depth progress updates with visuals and previews of what we’ve been up to! In addition, you’ll receive the latest version of the game on the first of each month! Please note that we may not have a new release ready every month as we want each build that we release to be stable and bug free, but we will do our best! Pledging $5 per month will also net you a high resolution artwork PDF that gets expanded with each major release! It's not skimpy either. It’s currently nearly 300 pages!
Pledging $10 per month will enter you into the "Inner Circle". At this tier you will receive weekly in-depth and technical progress updates via the Patreon feed, including previews of high resolution artwork as it’s finished. In addition, every time we reach a point where we have a semi-stable build we'll share it with those who have pledged at this tier via my Google Drive. This will give you the first opportunity to offer feedback and also help me firsthand with testing.
I disagree. I also have a 9-5. Suggesting that reading the patreon page is too much to expect from people is a bit overkill. It's spelled out very clearly that it's by no means a finished product, and it is entirely their own fault if they go to random patreon pages and just start clicking donation buttons without reading the page.You must have a lot of free time if you can do in-depth research into everything you spend money on lad. Keep your trite platitudes to yourself and wake up to reality. People who work nine hours a day five days a week have neither the time nor energy to worry about the details that go into producing what they masturbate to, when you go and watch a movie in a theater you don't research what camera they used to film it with or the employment history of the cameraman, your extremely shallow understanding of consumer responsibility is laughable and your haughty attitude as equally childish.
People that don't have a great interest in something generally don't spend time on forums about those somethings. Great interest usually implies at least a bit of passion. Passion usually implies some level of emotion, positive or otherwise.What is it about english H games that attract so many spergs?
Ok sperg.
I disagree. I also have a 9-5. Suggesting that reading the patreon page is too much to expect from people is a bit overkill. It's spelled out very clearly that it's by no means a finished product, and it is entirely their own fault if they go to random patreon pages and just start clicking donation buttons without reading the page.
Likewise, if you were investing in a movie being produced, with the understanding you'd be sitting front row at the movie's premier, you might indeed like to know what sort of cameras they're using since you want the movie to be great (or else you wouldn't be investing in it). Conveniently, the information about the camera is included as public knowledge to anyone who reads what they're investing in. How nice.![]()
Fair enough. I just don't see how the team is doing a poor job in this regard. Maybe it's because I'm at the $10 point so I see what they're working on week to week, but the info has been pretty solid, IMHO.What an enlightening conversation lad, not really sure what you're trying to do by wigging out as you are, but good luck?
You're conflating two unrelated arguments here. The comments about not having the time to research everything you buy is about actually looking into the people behind the Patreons, the example being Breeding Season whom anyone could have known was a complete scam, if they had just researched who the people involved in the project were. The main guy behind it had taken money and ran with it twice before, the artist had a reputation for half-assing things and having terrible work ethic and abandoning projects in the past. The thing is, not everyone has the time to do that kind of research into what they're just hoping to masturbate to.
Is there a reason to distrust in this regard?Also, just because someone sells you the prospect of something you really want doesn't mean you're suddenly going to learn all about how it's made. To go back to the cup of coffee analogy, if someone promises me the best cup of coffee and pitches me an idea of how they'll make it, I won't go researching the type of machines that'd be best for making that cup of coffee, if I wouldn't trust the barista with that then why would I invest in him? I'd just do it myself if I had that kind of time and commitment. A Patron is about supporting someone for their work, that implies trusting them to get the job done, vetting everything they then do isn't wrong per say, but to act like that's actually normal or common is a little off to say the least.
The implication that someone who buys into your porn idea must also be interested in every other step of the process is silly. That information is appreciated by the people that understand that kind of information, but the majority of people won't know much about building rigs suitable for animation and the kind of soft and hardware involved. If a Patron supports a painter they won't care what kind of paint or easel the painter uses, what they care about is that there's a nice new painting to look at in a decent interval, the paint used might become relevant once the painter gets sick from lead poisoning but barring such nonsense the details won't necessarily be interesting or relevant. So while the added information provided to Patreons here is nice, keep in mind that to the majority of your audience it's white noise that does nothing to compensate the lack of a painting to see.
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You make strong points with your arguments, but most aren't interested in reading walls of text about how little time you have to look into the things that you jerk off to. In the same vein, I would hope that when you're ordering "the best coffee ever" that you're making sure what's in it isn't going to make you sick or cause an allergic reaction. Outside that, what you pay for is what you get. Video games aren't held to that same standard or required to do so.
Yeah, I noticed you went back and changed your post after I already posted. Couldn't handle someone pointing out the bs you were spewing, eh?
And no, preferential treatment isn't encouraged or ignored in service. I can tell you're lying about working in the industry because it's hammered into your head on the first damn day. Hell, complaints are generally taken seriously and I've seen and been on the receiving end of a "talking to", so kindly stop lying.
That aside, can you two not argue about irrelevant shit in a dedicated thread? We get it; you're both autistic spergs with nothing better to do than bitch back and forth about irrelevant shit and then start shit with people who call you out on it after changing your posts.
Just some insight: Nobody cares about the size of your dicks. On the internet, everyone has a horsecock and tits the size of a station wagon.
First of all, are you aware that you're comparing MATM developed by small team (< 5 members) and limited budget to games with huge teams and large budgets? You really think that's fair?I've been observing this project since 2015. I return every couple of weeks / months and see how it has developed. After about 2 years of development (or was it 3 years already?) I have to admit, that I'm kind of worried this has become too big of an undertaking. From the info I gathered from players / patreons, the looks of the game (AAA hentai game!) and the devs I fear this may become the next Duke Nukem Forever or Star Citizen of hentai games. I very much doubt we'll get a finished version of MATM within the next 2 years (e.i. 2017 and 2018). Judging by the amount of work that has been done and is still to come, I'm expecting this project to go BETA in 2018 with maybe around 50 - 75 % completion.
What I want to say is: this game looks too good and promising to be just in development forever. At some point you have to make sacrifices and stop optimizing / recoding / redesigning / reinventing (basic) stuff and just try to get a workflow going. It doesn't help the devs and it certainly doesn't help the backers, if a game can't be finished within a reasonable amount of time. Too high or too many goals often don't do any good. Better keep certain ambitious ideas for a sequel and improve on the mistakes and flaws on the next project.
The only two publishers / devs that can get away with a development cycle longer than 2-4 years are probably Blizzard and Rockstar.
And no, I don't consider Bethesda games particularly good in relation to the dev time.
Skyrim = 5.5 years after Oblivion
Fallout 4 = 7 years after FO3!! (New Vegas was by Obsidian)
Development is ongoing, but lately there wasn't much of a public progress reports, hell... even $3 patrons get them only once a month. To make things clear, we're not doing this cause we're greedy assholes, Eromancer just don't have the time... and it's better spent on development itself.Is there any new news? it looks like development has gone quiet unless it's all behind the patreon paywall now?
I wouldn't mind supporting but I don't like the idea or setting up a monthly subscription especially for a project that could fizzle out (breeding season) or just keep going infinitely after potentially spending (goldylocks) $1,400 (28 months x $50)
I'd love for there to be an upfront fee or just donate x amount to the project.
What are you talking about? I list my edits in posts with an "EDIT" tag, unless the edit is just fixing a typo, like double or misspelled words.Yeah, I noticed you went back and changed your post after I already posted. Couldn't handle someone pointing out the bs you were spewing, eh?
With Malise it depends which one you mean:Ah question! Will the first bonus armor for Malise and Neon make a return in the later future? Also kudos on Neon's new armor. It's friggin awesome!