(Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)

[razisgosu]

Re: (Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)

The point is, Liana has no business being in the gacha. She does not belong there. She's overly expensive in the gacha because she's an event unit and her skill at level 1 is under powered because its meant to be raised via event.

She should never have been in the gacha and should be removed as soon as possible.

 

[Angelic Berserker]

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The point is, Liana has no business being in the gacha. She does not belong there.

Says who? The player base?

The player base isn't in charge, Nutaku is. weather the player base likes or dislikes the decision Nutaku made to put Liana in the gacha is irrelevant.

You spent sacred crystals, you got a unit. end of story.

you don't just magically get entitled to something for free because you got something that inst exactly up to snuff or met your expectations.

She's overly expensive in the gacha because she's an event unit and her skill at level 1 is under powered because its meant to be raised via event.

Because shes an event unit that actually means that pulling her from the gacha is a DISCOUNT! shes no longer exclusive to the event thus NOT AS RARE!

She should never have been in the gacha and should be removed as soon as possible.

I disagree, shes the last unit I want for my collection besides the clown unit in DMM and I hope I get her from the gacha this month.

 

[The Overgoat]

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So what your saying is, if you rolled a unit that has shitty stats you should be entitled to a different unit that has good stats? what the flying fuck?

No, what I'm saying is that the Suzuki Ignis in my analogy is not a sports car, let alone a high tier one. So if in that scenario you win it and get told that it is indeed a grad prize, then you just got swindled big time. Same here: Liana is not a premium unit. It never was, never will be on DMM. And since the line-up in terms of event/premium units are the exact same aside of her AND considering the circumstances of her entering into the gacha pool (the entire anti-loli nonsense of the early days), it's quite safe to say that she never meant to be a premium unit, but ended up as one because it was the quickest way of fixing the fact that one of the early gacha blacks were missing from the gacha. As for the who decides things: the devs. Nutaku never had direct control over the English version of MWA. And the devs never claimed Liana to be a premium unit in DMM, so they clearly do not consider her worthy to be a premium gacha unit.

 

[alpha10th]

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I might consider Liana as a gacha worthy on one condition.
That is if she comes out of the gacha fully CR'd with Max Skill Lv.
She's actually pretty good that way.

If we had her as an event unit, this is guaranteed - very important factor - with a defined number of resources spent.
This is the expectation previously set by the DMM version. So you can't blame others for expecting the same treatment.

What's different about the "Gacha" unit is that there is no guarantee on anything.
For that reason, they get special treatment in their quality even with no CR or Skill Lv.
Event units, while weaker than the Gacha units, make it up with the "guaranteed" CR and Skill Lv.

In short, I consider Liana fully CR'd with Max Skill the same as non-CR'd with Skill Lv1 Gacha Black.
It is valid complaint for Nutaku players to point out this discrepancy.

 

[Angelic Berserker]

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no by dmm the ones who made the game im sure they never intended her to be in the gatcha

What happens in DMM stays in DMM!
Sure its a good indicator for what might come to the nutaku version but its not always that crystal clear is it?
otherwise explain why were missing so many events that DMM had.
Just because something happens in 1 version of a game doesn't mean it will go the exact same way in all versions of said game, just look at any other game thats split between regions.

No, what I'm saying is that the Suzuki Ignis in my analogy is not a sports car, let alone a high tier one. So if in that scenario you win it and get told that it is indeed a grad prize, then you just got swindled big time. Same here: Liana is not a premium unit.

So thats a yes, you are in fact saying "if you rolled a unit that has shitty stats you should be entitled to a different unit that has good stats" and im flat out telling you that your crazy.

You spin a wheel, on the wheel it says Grand prize 0$. You land on the Grand prize of 0$. did you win the grand prize or should you be given something else?

 

[The Overgoat]

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What happens in DMM stays in DMM!
Sure its a good indicator for what might come to the nutaku version but its not always that crystal clear is it?
otherwise explain why were missing so many events that DMM had.

Just because something happens in 1 version of a game doesn't mean it will go the exact same way in all versions of said game, just look at any other game thats split between regions.

*sigh* Are you really this fucking stupid? No, this is not a new game with new, region exclusive content or some such. Everything we are missing, we are getting. The number of missing event units is constantly decreasing and we've been following pretty much the exact event order DMM had, aside of the implementation of missed content. And you should know why are we missing events: because of the censorship issues of the early days. That, and because DMM devs couldn't give a fuck about our side of the game for a good year. This is not some kind of grand design decision or such horseshit, if you seriously believe that then you are quite frankly delusional.

 

[Angelic Berserker]

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so does DMM not give a fuck about our side or do they want nutaku to remove Liana from the gacha which honestly from a business stand point makes zero sense? which is it cus honestly im just confused at this point.

 

[alpha10th]

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so does DMM not give a fuck about our side or do they want nutaku to remove Liana from the gacha which honestly from a business stand point makes zero sense? which is it cus honestly im just confused at this point.

There's nothing to be confused.

DMM dug themselves into a hole with exits that are all blocked by angry flaming dragons.
They know they screwed up, but they also know they will be eaten alive if they try to get out.

So they are choosing to stay in the hole with eyes and ears closed.

 

[The Overgoat]

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so does DMM not give a fuck about our side or do they want nutaku to remove Liana from the gacha which honestly from a business stand point makes zero sense? which is it cus honestly im just confused at this point.

To sum it up: early days, Nutaku couldn't feature lolis. At all. (They still don't feature them on the banners, but that's about it.) B. Iris is a loli, so now the gacha had no black healers. So the devs simply switch her out for Liana, because that was simple. Then we started to skip events with lolis, had breaks when we shouldn't have and so forth. About half a year or so ago the devs actually started to run our side properly: no breaks, revivals, subjugations, constant new events with nothing skipped, bringing in the skipped events and so on. Problem is, now B. Iris (Elyse) is availablee in the premium gacha and with the skipped events showing up one by one it's only a matter of time before Liana's event will be the only missing one.

Problem is, no matter what they do at this point, people will be angry about it. If we skip the event permanently, people who do not have Liana will be pissed. If they just remove Liana from the gacha and run the event, then people who already own her will be pissed, because now everybody gets her and mincosted / max skilled at that. Even if she would be exchangeable for a premium black unit, people would be still somewhat dissatisfied because all fo the effort of leveling their copy of Liana would be lost. There's no solution here that would please everyone. So I guess the easiest way around a problem with no ideal solutions is ignoring it entirely, which is what the devs are doing right now.

 

[Selius]

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There's no solution here that would please everyone.

sure there is. but dmm is lazy.

you put elyse in the TP for the cost of liana.

have it refund time fairies equal to the -CR and rainbows = to the SU.

then run the event and make sure there's plenty rainbows in the rewards. or hell, just give out a bunch to everybody as a "sorry we made a dumbass decision"

 

[Zero Zet]

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Black ticket in TP in exchange for Liana for the duration of her event, man. Bam, everything solved!

 

[Angelic Berserker]

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Honestly I don't think Nutaku owes anyone an apology, they didn't force anyone to pull Liana out the gacha in the first place. Is anyone even in contact with any of the devs? I doubt they are even giving this "issue" any thought at all. id bet my money we would get her event, no one gets a free black unit ticket that no one rightfully deserves in the first place, and the self entitled angry part of the player base gets mad for a while but continues to play the game like the addicts they are.

 

[khawk016]

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but nutaku did force b iris to be removed and have liana put in her place and thats been 1-2 years almost
also pissing off your playerbase is the dumbest thing a ftp game can do especially with how much shit this side has gone through just to get to its current state

 

[alpha10th]

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I could play the devil's advocate.
And the number of the devils I can advocate would be quite many.

But personally I don't have a strong opinion on the matter.
Mostly b/c my wishlist in this version is complete until the rest of the list hurry up and appear in gacha.

Only prediction I can make, with certainty, is that we are never ever getting Liana event.
I'm positive on this prediction as much as the prediction that we are never getting the old version of Amon in our version.

 

[Angelic Berserker]

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ZOMG they replaced a unit with another unit that is statistically impossible to get in the first place! I'm pissed off, time to set the company headquarters on fire and while I'm at it I think ill just quit the game!

Do you have any idea how ridiculous that kind of mentality is?

 

[alpha10th]

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Hey man, you said it yourself.

What happens in DMM stays in DMM!

Just b/c DMM had Liana's event, that doesn't mean Nutaku gets it, too
At least for your sake though, I hope I'm wrong. Good luck!

 

[Angelic Berserker]

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i don't care either way cus shes in the gacha. one day ill get lucky and pull her.

 

[khawk016]

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yes that mentally is insane but thats not whats at play here
liana is not worth the time or money it takes to pull a black from gatcha not only that if she was not in there you would have without doubt received a better version of her free once her event rolls around

 

[alpha10th]

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i don't care either way cus shes in the gacha. one day ill get lucky and pull her.

O yea there's that route, too. In which case, again, Good Luck!

Though there is one bad news on that matter.
Liana never have become the bonus summon rate unit ever since Elyse was released for Nutaku. For more than a half year.
And she likely never will ever again, b/c DMM knows they screwed up. They are not going to fan the flaming dragons.

But hey, it's still possible. Luck beats reasons.

 

[Angelic Berserker]

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liana is not worth the time or money it takes to pull a black from gatcha not only that if she was not in there you would have without doubt received a better version of her free once her event rolls around

The time it takes to pull anything from gacha is a moot point, thats all up to rng.

Liana not being worth the money she could cost is only an opinion.

As for us having her event, no one had a crystal ball back then and no one has a crystal ball now. Theres no way to know for sure what well get next. you can only speculate from what we see from DMM.

What happens in DMM stays in DMM.