(Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)

[Sashas]

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I used to use Liana as well, but I hate what the devs did to her. She used to be an event Unit, but the other black rarity Healer was a Loli and so it bothered their payment processors. Solution: make Liana take her place but DON'T adjust her deployment cost. Result: she costs 3 more UP to deploy than a platinum healer and is nowhere near overpowered enough to justify that (until we get a map where her cleanse skill is vital, I guess). I leveled Camilla out of spite, and she has mostly replaced Liana in my team by now.

I'd really prefer Camilla to Liana, so much easier to level and strong, shame all my rolls during her spotlight didn't go to her.

 

[Nattorei]

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And another event the devs are likely forcing some of us to buy SCs for buffs since we're going out of order. The annoyance continues.

They have their reasons. While it may seem like arbitrary and/or cruel to the players, not much we can do but entertain the idea.

As for the event, it is a bit difficult, but not overly so. Yes that 90/12 is from a revival and we shouldn't get it. Even if we do, it being extremely hard shouldn't cause any problems because there is always the option of not banging your head in frustration.

Rikka is a very good unit. She is a Puppeteer. Puppeteers are melee, one block, and have very good stats for their cost. To compensate, they can't be healed by healing units the same way Karma can't. However, during her skill, she stops blocking enemies the same as Pegasus Riders, gets an attack speed boost, and single shoots enemies. Also during her skill, she passively regenerates her own HP. And yes, down the line when Puppeteers get AW skills her's include true damage which is very good.

Edit: Just more information. Her skill shoots at 250 range, just under CC'd Archer range, and shoots at 26 frames. As a reference, Rogues hit at 24 frames, Monks hit at 29 frames, and Archers shoot at 31 frames.

 

[Larcx]

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I used to use Liana as well, but I hate what the devs did to her. She used to be an event Unit, but the other black rarity Healer was a Loli and so it bothered their payment processors. Solution: make Liana take her place but DON'T adjust her deployment cost. Result: she costs 3 more UP to deploy than a platinum healer and is nowhere near overpowered enough to justify that (until we get a map where her cleanse skill is vital, I guess). I leveled Camilla out of spite, and she has mostly replaced Liana in my team by now.

Yeah...
Still no monster that will stun , thus making units cannot attack for seconds
So rite now Liana is rather useless

Only hope for Nutaku Exclusive unit
So we can get those same class unit , only most probably not a Loli

 

[12TonWeight]

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I'd be mollified if they just patched that annoying blunder of theirs. Also: the event does not seem as hard as the previous one. Nasu beat it with common unawakened units and there was just one fiddly-quickswap bit on the G map. And you don't need to 3* the G map this time. All the main event maps looked piss easy if you did well on the Solano event.

 

[Orion]

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The 90/12 mission wasn't around during the original Event so there's a fair chance we won't have it.

Oh I see it's a Revival map that explains it, still that map is some kind of nonsense, jeez.....

Also: the event does not seem as hard as the previous one. Nasu beat it with common unawakened units and there was just one fiddly-quickswap bit on the G map. And you don't need to 3* the G map this time. All the main event maps looked piss easy if you did well on the Solano event.

That kinda makes me curious, how far are we from events where Awakened units are pretty much required to beat most of the maps?

 

[Sisulart]

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That kinda makes me curious, how far are we from events where Awakened units are pretty much required to beat most of the maps?

Even on the current star trial event on dmm i can get 28* of 30* without a single AW unit, AW units are only needed to get max rewards from events and are not required to get a perfect unit.

 

[khawk016]

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sweet we get our puppet girl i really hope aw units come soon it took me months to catch up to the dps the dmm game is putting out and now we have limitations of no aw units till they feel like releasing them yes there not necessary for the time being but they deferentially make a world of difference and these events were made with them in mind so we should have them at our disposal farm events are typically easier in my opinion

 

[Orion]

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Even on the current star trial event on dmm i can get 28* of 30* without a single AW unit, AW units are only needed to get max rewards from events and are not required to get a perfect unit.

Ah interesting, thanks. I just figured with the increase in difficulty eventually AW would be the norm like how CC is pretty much required otherwise pre-CC barely does any damage or either melts like butter or is insta killed.

Well with the rate we're going we'll be able to see Anna soon hopefully, maybe. I've been kinda interested in her for awhile, not that I know if she's a good unit or not just that it would be nice to use her since she was the first to pledge her loyalty to the Prince and we see her all the time in the main menu (aside from Katie), I don't even know what she does, though I think she has a passive skill where she can have a Title like the Prince from what I can tell from google and her skill increases defense and attack of all units in her range I'm guessing. Max level is 30 and can't be CC'd or Awakened tho....but she's a Black so that's something.

 

[Blahblahblacksheep]

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I used to use Liana as well, but I hate what the devs did to her. She used to be an event Unit, but the other black rarity Healer was a Loli and so it bothered their payment processors. Solution: make Liana take her place but DON'T adjust her deployment cost. Result: she costs 3 more UP to deploy than a platinum healer and is nowhere near overpowered enough to justify that (until we get a map where her cleanse skill is vital, I guess). I leveled Camilla out of spite, and she has mostly replaced Liana in my team by now.

I don't understand all the hate on Liana just because she isn't max CR. Her skill doesn't increase her healing, but her healing is higher to compensate. She heals more *all the time* than my Iris does with her skill active. That's more than worth the UP cost to me.

It's true I don't have a Camilla, so my main heals atm are Liana, Iris, Alissa; but even if I did they'd be Camilla, Iris, Liana most likely -- and Alissa when I need a 16 UP heal to hold me over until I can deploy Liana.

If I really needed crazy burst healing, I'd put more effort into maxing my shiho, but that just hasn't been the case so far.

I just view Liana the same way I do mages. By the time you need her, UP won't be a problem. And if UP really is a problem, you should have Alissa and/or Dorca+Iris maxed anyways.

 

[12TonWeight]

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I don't understand all the hate on Liana just because she isn't max CR. Her skill doesn't increase her healing, but her healing is higher to compensate. She heals more *all the time* than my Iris does with her skill active. That's more than worth the UP cost to me.

It's true I don't have a Camilla, so my main heals atm are Liana, Iris, Alissa; but even if I did they'd be Camilla, Iris, Liana most likely -- and Alissa when I need a 16 UP heal to hold me over until I can deploy Liana.

If I really needed crazy burst healing, I'd put more effort into maxing my shiho, but that just hasn't been the case so far.

I just view Liana the same way I do mages. By the time you need her, UP won't be a problem. And if UP really is a problem, you should have Alissa and/or Dorca+Iris maxed anyways.

I am not hating on her stats. Discounting the burst some get from skills she is the most powerful healer we can get atm. My problem is that her cost was not adjusted. Event units start out as more expensive than regular units of the same class and rarity. I do not know of any exceptions to this rule. Meaning she costs 2 more UP than she was ever supposed to cost.

 

[Blahblahblacksheep]

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I am not hating on her stats. Discounting the burst some get from skills she is the most powerful healer we can get atm. My problem is that her cost was not adjusted. Event units start out as more expensive than regular units of the same class and rarity. I do not know of any exceptions to this rule. Meaning she costs 2 more UP than she was ever supposed to cost.

I can understand the frustration then. My only point is regardless, I feel she's worth the cost if you have her.

About the Puppet User.. she seems to fit the role of duelist more or less, but when I have 2 Sybillas and soon to have a maxed Horace... seems kind of redundant? I'm guessing I pick up one copy for collection and use the rest as exp fodder.

 

[Eab1990]

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I don't understand all the hate on Liana just because she isn't max CR. Her skill doesn't increase her healing, but her healing is higher to compensate. She heals more *all the time* than my Iris does with her skill active. That's more than worth the UP cost to me.

It's true I don't have a Camilla, so my main heals atm are Liana, Iris, Alissa; but even if I did they'd be Camilla, Iris, Liana most likely -- and Alissa when I need a 16 UP heal to hold me over until I can deploy Liana.

If I really needed crazy burst healing, I'd put more effort into maxing my shiho, but that just hasn't been the case so far.

I just view Liana the same way I do mages. By the time you need her, UP won't be a problem. And if UP really is a problem, you should have Alissa and/or Dorca+Iris maxed anyways.

Nope, the only time I used Liana was for Karma's event, and even then, I didn't use her much, nor did I even need her once I optimized my farming setup. I haven't CC'd her because of said unit cost either.

My mainstay healers are Iris, Camilla, and/or Chydis. If there aren't any status debuffs for me to worry about, Liana is worthless to me.

 

[Nattorei]

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I can understand the frustration then. My only point is regardless, I feel she's worth the cost if you have her.

About the Puppet User.. she seems to fit the role of duelist more or less, but when I have 2 Sybillas and soon to have a maxed Horace... seems kind of redundant? I'm guessing I pick up one copy for collection and use the rest as exp fodder.

I agree with you on the Liana hate. Yes, her cost is higher than it should due to a technicality. She is still well worth it though. Wait for her event and she'll more than likely get an adjustment then. Again, she is still way worth it.

Rikka will have worth if you give her the chance. True damage in the way, way future will prove itself useful.

Even so, double Sybilla invalidates a lot of units. Be prepared to over-wreck everything and have a lot of units take a back seat.

 

[Sisulart]

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I can understand the frustration then. My only point is regardless, I feel she's worth the cost if you have her.

About the Puppet User.. she seems to fit the role of duelist more or less, but when I have 2 Sybillas and soon to have a maxed Horace... seems kind of redundant? I'm guessing I pick up one copy for collection and use the rest as exp fodder.

If you have Chydis Liana is worthless and max lvl Liana has 582 heal power and Chydis 550 thats a difference of 32 without skill, Lianas skill sucks atm. but Chydis get 1.1x range, 1.2x attack increase for 70sec at skill 1/5 and will outheal Liana.
Btw. Chydis cost 21 compared to Lianas 24 <.< so Chydis is the best healer you can get on nutaku aigis and not Liana.

 

[Nattorei]

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If you have Chydis Liana is worthless and max lvl Liana has 582 heal power and Chydis 550 thats a difference of 32 without skill, Lianas skill sucks atm. but Chydis get 1.1x range, 1.2x attack increase for 70sec at skill 1/5 and will outheal Liana.
Btw. Chydis cost 21 compared to Lianas 24 <.< so Chydis is the best healer you can get on nutaku aigis and not Liana.

That is still subjective. Liana can get more range, which may matter in the future. Liana's ailment healing will matter as well as her AW skill in the future. And while she may be outdone in attack by other units' skills, that doesn't take away that she does have the highest attack. Sure barely higher than Chydis, but she is nowhere near as frail as Chydis either.

The cost may seem prohibitive, but she does have raw power regardless. Overtime, with more and more stuff being thrown at us, she'll only get better.

 

[Herkz]

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What?? I love my Liana. I think she's the best healer around since she has the most highest "raw" healing power. Then again I have maxed Liana, Chydis and Camilla so I dont see the deployment cost problem on me ._.

 

[12TonWeight]

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As someone a few posts up asked, will the event unit be of any real use to someone who is spoiled for duellists? I have Olivie, Sybilla, Horus (I will never aknowledge anything with that figure called Horace), Sherry and, if I ever get around to leveling them, Berna and Lilia. I would much prefer an event that gave me unit that helped with war of magic.

 

[AE1992]

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As someone a few posts up asked, will the event unit be of any real use to someone who is spoiled for duellists? I have Olivie, Sybilla, Horus (I will never aknowledge anything with that figure called Horace), Sherry and, if I ever get around to leveling them, Berna and Lilia. I would much prefer an event that gave me unit that helped with war of magic.

Looking at the JP wiki Rikka has 2866 HP, 560 attack, 436 and 0 MR at 50cc70. Sherry has 1576 HP, 488 attack, 306 defence and 10 MR at 70. Rikka min cost is 17 which is the same as Sherry's, but will be easier to get. People have said she has true damage after skill awakening but she can't be healed. She I would think she would be good if you needed to block something far away from healers or if you didn't want your healers to get distracted by focusing a duellist.

Compared Sherry's stats to Rikka just because they where both Plat, no idea what you would really compare her to.

 

[Nattorei]

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Looking at the JP wiki Rikka has 2866 HP, 560 attack, 436 and 0 MR at 50cc70. Sherry has 1576 HP, 488 attack, 306 defence and 10 MR at 70. Rikka min cost is 17 which is the same as Sherry's, but will be easier to get. People have said she has true damage after skill awakening but she can't be healed. She I would think she would be good if you needed to block something far away from healers or if you didn't want your healers to get distracted by focusing a duellist.

Compared Sherry's stats to Rikka just because they where both Plat, no idea what you would really compare her to.

Even without the no-healing aspect of Rikka, those stats are still very comparable when you consider how important MR is and that Sherry deals magic damage.

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If you are spoiled with good duelists, again be prepared to have a lot of other units in the future fall short. Olivie is just insane, you'll never get anything that tops her. Rikka has niche use as a very powerful if situational "archer." However, anyone with Sybilla really invalidates that aspect.

Overall, I'd say she is worth it to 99% of users. If you go for her though, you have to go hard. Her CRs and SUs are extremely important.

 

[shortykilz]

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Removed since Lafate has his guide up.