(Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)
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Nutaku essentially wants to be the western DMM. And yeah, this is my sentiment as well. We are undeniably behind schedule, but frankly, things improved significantly since the start. Yet if I didn't know anything about the game, reading this thread I would think that this game is utter piece of P2W garbage. And it is clearly not. While the Nutaku version is inferior to the DMM version, I doubt most of you would complain about the exact same content if the Nutaku version would be the only version of the game, since Nutaku Aigis in and of itself is still a very competent and well designed game.
So while I get the complaints, I think it's blown waaaaaaaaaaay out of proportion here. Reading the 241th post about how this game sucks compared to the DMM version, how we don't get content X and how the game is going to be shut down anyway is just irritating. When a new event is posted, I'm like "oh, new event, goodie! Let's see what info do they have on it on the forum..." And then I come up to see two pages of dismissive, derisive and/or smug comments about how we skipped event X, how we won't get this or that character from this event, how everything sucks, etc. It kinda kills my buzz and makes me wonder why the hell are these people even play this game, if it supposedly sucks so much?
Nutaku essentially wants to be the western DMM. And yeah, this is my sentiment as well. We are undeniably behind schedule, but frankly, things improved significantly since the start. Yet if I didn't know anything about the game, reading this thread I would think that this game is utter piece of P2W garbage. And it is clearly not. While the Nutaku version is inferior to the DMM version, I doubt most of you would complain about the exact same content if the Nutaku version would be the only version of the game, since Nutaku Aigis in and of itself is still a very competent and well designed game.
So while I get the complaints, I think it's blown waaaaaaaaaaay out of proportion here. Reading the 241th post about how this game sucks compared to the DMM version, how we don't get content X and how the game is going to be shut down anyway is just irritating. When a new event is posted, I'm like "oh, new event, goodie! Let's see what info do they have on it on the forum..." And then I come up to see two pages of dismissive, derisive and/or smug comments about how we skipped event X, how we won't get this or that character from this event, how everything sucks, etc. It kinda kills my buzz and makes me wonder why the hell are these people even play this game, if it supposedly sucks so much?
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Because we were told it would get better. And so far it... did for a bit and then got worse again.
That's why the anniversary is make or break for so many people. They've had a year to get this thing going properly and they haven't.
Because we were told it would get better. And so far it... did for a bit and then got worse again.
That's why the anniversary is make or break for so many people. They've had a year to get this thing going properly and they haven't.
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its just how people are sometimes they dont see what we got instead only what we didnt im subject to this aswell and it gets better with time just like the game as a whole i firmly believe its the best game they have brought over thus far nothing matchs the quality and fairness of this game id like to pay some of that to the fact its mostly a solo game where most are co-op in one way or another and only breaks that for certain events and when it does the community as a whole decides what happens like what happend with the pirate girl with gold get everyone saw she would be a better gold then plat so most stopped out after she went gold
its just how people are sometimes they dont see what we got instead only what we didnt im subject to this aswell and it gets better with time just like the game as a whole i firmly believe its the best game they have brought over thus far nothing matchs the quality and fairness of this game id like to pay some of that to the fact its mostly a solo game where most are co-op in one way or another and only breaks that for certain events and when it does the community as a whole decides what happens like what happend with the pirate girl with gold get everyone saw she would be a better gold then plat so most stopped out after she went gold
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Okay won't compare... since people are stupidly against it... like one of five versions should be different in the support they get... and the other four version getting the full support of the original... (That includes the version that was released after our version).
When they finally started giving back to back events the only real event complaints where from people who wanted to do everything without paying. They wanted to farm dailies, farm challenge maps, farm unit experience, and farm the event without spending any SC to do so. Which is impossible. No one complain about events being skipped at all. They complained about Yurina still not having her event with us (as she is an important damn unit.. and it was more speculation of why we weren't getting her), They complained of Kagerou, Micsha, and to a lesser extent Nenya being replaced; when they are supposedly greenlit. Which means the devs simply have not given them to us. They complained about the Trading Post not changing, They complained about Chloe and Noel events being glossed over (again important units... especially since the silver and gold Angel we would eventually get aren't good enough, and the only other unit with Noel's ability is a platinum premium unit) when we have units like Hina and Shiho already, They complained about the massive disproportion of apologies. If we got one at all. (everyone remember the 60 SC they got for the cheat engine fiasco? ya we didn't even get 1 SC for that. The 1 SC we got was for something else... Ya, and Nutaku couldn't even make it better by giving us Nutaku gold to buy that SC... because if they did... they would have to pay the Aigis devs for all that SC bought).
All of these are valid complaints, and have not changed since this game has been released. The one thing that did change was the frequency of event we got. However, they have reverted that and gone back to giving us breaks after every god damn event. Everyone has a right to make massive complaints about that. Because clearly it wasn't a lack of some resources. They were doing it. They have the resources. They have the people to pull it off. They are just literally choosing not to do it. It isn't some speculation over missing content like the other complaints are. It was something we finally got after what 7-8 months of waiting for it... only to have said good thing taken away two months later? that is not alright. Not alright at all, and any who think it is... are either submissive as fuck.... mentally challenged... or are just playing devils advocate to get a rise out of everyone...
It is not a good thing to step backward after waiting so long to move forward.
Okay won't compare... since people are stupidly against it... like one of five versions should be different in the support they get... and the other four version getting the full support of the original... (That includes the version that was released after our version).
When they finally started giving back to back events the only real event complaints where from people who wanted to do everything without paying. They wanted to farm dailies, farm challenge maps, farm unit experience, and farm the event without spending any SC to do so. Which is impossible. No one complain about events being skipped at all. They complained about Yurina still not having her event with us (as she is an important damn unit.. and it was more speculation of why we weren't getting her), They complained of Kagerou, Micsha, and to a lesser extent Nenya being replaced; when they are supposedly greenlit. Which means the devs simply have not given them to us. They complained about the Trading Post not changing, They complained about Chloe and Noel events being glossed over (again important units... especially since the silver and gold Angel we would eventually get aren't good enough, and the only other unit with Noel's ability is a platinum premium unit) when we have units like Hina and Shiho already, They complained about the massive disproportion of apologies. If we got one at all. (everyone remember the 60 SC they got for the cheat engine fiasco? ya we didn't even get 1 SC for that. The 1 SC we got was for something else... Ya, and Nutaku couldn't even make it better by giving us Nutaku gold to buy that SC... because if they did... they would have to pay the Aigis devs for all that SC bought).
All of these are valid complaints, and have not changed since this game has been released. The one thing that did change was the frequency of event we got. However, they have reverted that and gone back to giving us breaks after every god damn event. Everyone has a right to make massive complaints about that. Because clearly it wasn't a lack of some resources. They were doing it. They have the resources. They have the people to pull it off. They are just literally choosing not to do it. It isn't some speculation over missing content like the other complaints are. It was something we finally got after what 7-8 months of waiting for it... only to have said good thing taken away two months later? that is not alright. Not alright at all, and any who think it is... are either submissive as fuck.... mentally challenged... or are just playing devils advocate to get a rise out of everyone...
It is not a good thing to step backward after waiting so long to move forward.
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...is what you say and then the rest of the post is all about comparing our version to the Japanese version. Comparison how we don't get units, that are in the Japanese version. Or how we don't have the TP rotated when the JP version rotates it regularly. These are issues, BECAUSE the Japanese version is doing them better.
I'm not saying that there's nothing to complain without comparisons. The three week break during summer with no actual apology was bullshit, no matter how do I look at it. Inconsistency about the event schedule (one week break - no break - one week break) is also annoying. Switching out a starting unit to something significantly better (Kerry -> Bashira) and then not giving the new unit to the older accounts unless they can pay for it within a limited time is also bullshit.
There are things to complain about, but I still think it's blown out of proportion here. Overall Aigis is still a very good F2P game. Yet the constant cynicism and vitriol thrown at it implies the exact opposite. And that is a shame.
I suppose it comes down to personal preferences. For me, Aigis is is my favourite free to play game. And considering that I don't really have the time to sit down in front of core games anymore, it's also my main game. When a new event of mechanic is introduced I'm actually excited about. I try to do blind runs, figure things out and generally enjoy my time with it. When that doesn't work, I drop by here to see what others are doing. And what awaits me is pages after pages of people taking a dump of the game. How everything is shit because DMM version this and that. And I don't care. I have no interest in the DMM version, haven't ever played it and will never play it. I'm not willing to jump through a bunch of technical hoops to play game in language I don't speak a damn word of, in the middle of the lifespan of the game, missing hell knows how many key units that other players have.
I get that someone who plays both versions will have a different opinion. I get that our version is lacking quite a few things compared to the DMM version. And of course this is going to be very important for those who are familiar with both versions. That doesn't make reading all this negativity any less jarring though. I suppose it's just that I generally try to appreciate what I have instead of complaining about what I don't. It doesn't always work (see my repeated rants about not having Bashira), but generally this attitude makes my life a who lot more enjoyable.
...is what you say and then the rest of the post is all about comparing our version to the Japanese version. Comparison how we don't get units, that are in the Japanese version. Or how we don't have the TP rotated when the JP version rotates it regularly. These are issues, BECAUSE the Japanese version is doing them better.
I'm not saying that there's nothing to complain without comparisons. The three week break during summer with no actual apology was bullshit, no matter how do I look at it. Inconsistency about the event schedule (one week break - no break - one week break) is also annoying. Switching out a starting unit to something significantly better (Kerry -> Bashira) and then not giving the new unit to the older accounts unless they can pay for it within a limited time is also bullshit.
There are things to complain about, but I still think it's blown out of proportion here. Overall Aigis is still a very good F2P game. Yet the constant cynicism and vitriol thrown at it implies the exact opposite. And that is a shame.
I suppose it comes down to personal preferences. For me, Aigis is is my favourite free to play game. And considering that I don't really have the time to sit down in front of core games anymore, it's also my main game. When a new event of mechanic is introduced I'm actually excited about. I try to do blind runs, figure things out and generally enjoy my time with it. When that doesn't work, I drop by here to see what others are doing. And what awaits me is pages after pages of people taking a dump of the game. How everything is shit because DMM version this and that. And I don't care. I have no interest in the DMM version, haven't ever played it and will never play it. I'm not willing to jump through a bunch of technical hoops to play game in language I don't speak a damn word of, in the middle of the lifespan of the game, missing hell knows how many key units that other players have.
I get that someone who plays both versions will have a different opinion. I get that our version is lacking quite a few things compared to the DMM version. And of course this is going to be very important for those who are familiar with both versions. That doesn't make reading all this negativity any less jarring though. I suppose it's just that I generally try to appreciate what I have instead of complaining about what I don't. It doesn't always work (see my repeated rants about not having Bashira), but generally this attitude makes my life a who lot more enjoyable.
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Fun Fact
Mischa height is 156 , Clissa also 156
Marr is 153
Shizuka 146
Akane 149
Saki - Charlotte 148
Spica 153
Noel 124
Shiho 138
Marnie 148
Solano 145
Even Anna is only 155
So , Mischa is not that shorty~ :V
Fun Fact
Mischa height is 156 , Clissa also 156
Marr is 153
Shizuka 146
Akane 149
Saki - Charlotte 148
Spica 153
Noel 124
Shiho 138
Marnie 148
Solano 145
Even Anna is only 155
So , Mischa is not that shorty~ :V
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So you are the either mentally challenged or playing devil's advocate....
The trading post not being rotated has shit to do with any of the four different Japanese versions. It is a major issue because even without the other trading post units (Which would be comparing but I'm not), Chydis a unit we do have is not available to the majority of the Nutaku players. That has shit to do with the Japanese version.
As for Kerry to Bashira. No it isn't significantly better. For the Japanese version it was because they have Mischa. However, we do not. Due to the fact we only have Elaine which is a bad Valkyrie newer players essentially do not have the class unless they luck into with premium units. So now they have no guaranteed magic duelist. While they already had access to a platinum archer in the trading post via Spica. So for us the change was a down grade for people who started after it.
No one is blowing anything out of proportion. It is all in proportion. Now only have the devs that are making the game prove that they can easily make the game better if they wanted to. They have proved that they are literally not backing it better because they don't want to. Not because they can't. Hell there is a version of Aigis that released after Nutaku's who has better support then us. How exactly is that okay to you? It isn't like we are the newest version. We aren't. Hell even when this would have been okay (the first version) it didn't happen.
Before you say it no... that is not comparing the games it isn't(Which again is not even an issue because they should be compared especially when version have come out after ours and are better supported with the game running the way it is suppose to. There is no argument to protect them or argue against that).
If Aigis is your favorite free to play game... why are you accepting that it is being gimped? You should be more outraged then everyone else at that fact. What if I gave you 40% of a burger? would that be acceptable as well? I would think not.
You should have much more content, and many more mechanics already introduced, and no that is against not comparing year vs year, but at the event we are currently at. We should have had awakening already, we should have had 3 other events, we should have had around 9 more units, we should have had 2 other gold rushes.
When people refer to the DMM version they are normally referring to our direct counter part on DMM.co.jp the one we are the english version of. However, most do not know that there is an all-ages version, andriod version, and iOS version. The iOS version having be released after our own, and having full support like the other 3 versions. They get different events then any of the other version (They may get the same primary event, but revivals and the like are different). They were given a unit just for joining it. Hell that specific unit if regarded as the second best mage, and it isn't a premium or event unit. It is a collab unit that no one could have possibly gotten before that point.
How is it okay that out of 5 version we are treated like shit? How is it okay that a version that came out after our is treated better then us? How is it okay that even for the units we do have some are barred for those playing this version? How is it okay that we for whatever reason get things that make our version harder; while at the same time taking after things that we should have gotten with that content that would have made it easier? How is it okay that newer players are not gimped and could potential struggle unless they are lucky? How is it okay that step backwards in the little bit of progress they made for us? How is it okay that we are treated as second class customers when we pay more than every other version to even get a chance at a premium unit?
They have no excuse, and you can ask everyone I'm the first person to defend them if people are going overboard. However, they are not and has since then lost the people who would do to that. There is a damn reason every time I can no longer do it and am finally forced to turn on them that magically they have something to say to try and calm the community.
They had a year to make any sort of progress in making our version any better and they have failed at every front literally.
So you are the either mentally challenged or playing devil's advocate....
The trading post not being rotated has shit to do with any of the four different Japanese versions. It is a major issue because even without the other trading post units (Which would be comparing but I'm not), Chydis a unit we do have is not available to the majority of the Nutaku players. That has shit to do with the Japanese version.
As for Kerry to Bashira. No it isn't significantly better. For the Japanese version it was because they have Mischa. However, we do not. Due to the fact we only have Elaine which is a bad Valkyrie newer players essentially do not have the class unless they luck into with premium units. So now they have no guaranteed magic duelist. While they already had access to a platinum archer in the trading post via Spica. So for us the change was a down grade for people who started after it.
No one is blowing anything out of proportion. It is all in proportion. Now only have the devs that are making the game prove that they can easily make the game better if they wanted to. They have proved that they are literally not backing it better because they don't want to. Not because they can't. Hell there is a version of Aigis that released after Nutaku's who has better support then us. How exactly is that okay to you? It isn't like we are the newest version. We aren't. Hell even when this would have been okay (the first version) it didn't happen.
Before you say it no... that is not comparing the games it isn't(Which again is not even an issue because they should be compared especially when version have come out after ours and are better supported with the game running the way it is suppose to. There is no argument to protect them or argue against that).
If Aigis is your favorite free to play game... why are you accepting that it is being gimped? You should be more outraged then everyone else at that fact. What if I gave you 40% of a burger? would that be acceptable as well? I would think not.
You should have much more content, and many more mechanics already introduced, and no that is against not comparing year vs year, but at the event we are currently at. We should have had awakening already, we should have had 3 other events, we should have had around 9 more units, we should have had 2 other gold rushes.
When people refer to the DMM version they are normally referring to our direct counter part on DMM.co.jp the one we are the english version of. However, most do not know that there is an all-ages version, andriod version, and iOS version. The iOS version having be released after our own, and having full support like the other 3 versions. They get different events then any of the other version (They may get the same primary event, but revivals and the like are different). They were given a unit just for joining it. Hell that specific unit if regarded as the second best mage, and it isn't a premium or event unit. It is a collab unit that no one could have possibly gotten before that point.
How is it okay that out of 5 version we are treated like shit? How is it okay that a version that came out after our is treated better then us? How is it okay that even for the units we do have some are barred for those playing this version? How is it okay that we for whatever reason get things that make our version harder; while at the same time taking after things that we should have gotten with that content that would have made it easier? How is it okay that newer players are not gimped and could potential struggle unless they are lucky? How is it okay that step backwards in the little bit of progress they made for us? How is it okay that we are treated as second class customers when we pay more than every other version to even get a chance at a premium unit?
They have no excuse, and you can ask everyone I'm the first person to defend them if people are going overboard. However, they are not and has since then lost the people who would do to that. There is a damn reason every time I can no longer do it and am finally forced to turn on them that magically they have something to say to try and calm the community.
They had a year to make any sort of progress in making our version any better and they have failed at every front literally.
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The problem is not that the JP version does it better. The problem is that there even is different versions at all.
It is the same game, called the same thing, made by the same company etc. only the language is supposed to be different and some "cultural" objects specific to each market ("loli's" which is a very JP thing, come to mind).
So no, the issue is not the JP version doing it better. The issue is, that the ENG version is not doing what the game is supposed to.
- There are supposed to be two LANGUAGE versions of the same game, not two versions of the same game
That the Nutaku version runs displaced in time to the DMM version (due to starting later) does not change this at all. It is not the all-age version, the IoS version or some third or fourth version. it is supposed to be the exact same.
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- On complaints (in spoiler due to length)
- On personal preference (in spoiler due to length)
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Some words about warning signs (just a few & short, wall of text will not crit the reader
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- Our Wiki is full of DMM Aigis talk
- The Anniversary hopes
- The absence of "triump" banners in a top game
- The graveyard syndrome
The problem is not that the JP version does it better. The problem is that there even is different versions at all.
It is the same game, called the same thing, made by the same company etc. only the language is supposed to be different and some "cultural" objects specific to each market ("loli's" which is a very JP thing, come to mind).
So no, the issue is not the JP version doing it better. The issue is, that the ENG version is not doing what the game is supposed to.
- There are supposed to be two LANGUAGE versions of the same game, not two versions of the same game
That the Nutaku version runs displaced in time to the DMM version (due to starting later) does not change this at all. It is not the all-age version, the IoS version or some third or fourth version. it is supposed to be the exact same.
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- On complaints (in spoiler due to length)
The thing with complaining is, that it goes both ways and is in the eye of the beholder.
From the opposite point of view, you are the one complaining. That the "complainers" for some reason are not allowed to have those views or share them, that it is all negative.
The complaints are not just that, they are also about finding others of the same opinion, hashing perceptions out through exchange, finding common ground and pushing change to Nutaku and the Developer.
Jarring as it might be to read (one can skip it) it is a necessary process for many to find consensus and see if something can be done.
Put a bit eloquent they are "an agent of change" or aspires to be. So they are in fact not (all) negative in what they try to achieve.
I, and I know others do too, do try to engage Nutaku and through them the dev, through Game Enquiries, Twitter and Facebook.
I cannot speak for others, but I do try an make the input to them based on what I also see others think and not just rambling off my own stuff unchanged and unrefined.
The purpose is to make something we support or want to support, better.
Forums are used for that (and complaining, and complaining about complaining).
From the opposite point of view, you are the one complaining. That the "complainers" for some reason are not allowed to have those views or share them, that it is all negative.
The complaints are not just that, they are also about finding others of the same opinion, hashing perceptions out through exchange, finding common ground and pushing change to Nutaku and the Developer.
Jarring as it might be to read (one can skip it) it is a necessary process for many to find consensus and see if something can be done.
Put a bit eloquent they are "an agent of change" or aspires to be. So they are in fact not (all) negative in what they try to achieve.
I, and I know others do too, do try to engage Nutaku and through them the dev, through Game Enquiries, Twitter and Facebook.
I cannot speak for others, but I do try an make the input to them based on what I also see others think and not just rambling off my own stuff unchanged and unrefined.
The purpose is to make something we support or want to support, better.
Forums are used for that (and complaining, and complaining about complaining).
Indeed, personal preference. We all have it. But there is a slight problem here.
They should be what drives our choices within the game, the choice of what we consume of it or not.
They should not be a counter to the fact that the Nutaku version of the game is running badly off track (and it is a fact, as overwhelming demonstrated by amongst other things, the 1st year status, the reward system, the event jumping, backtracking, breaks, difference in treatment or oddly missing revivals though we are past even that point, even at our 50-60% pace)
The Nutaku version might be a perfect F2P game, in the most literal sense of those words, as one can do all for free, as the free regen outstrips the content pace.
But it cant live of that. It is a wonderful thing for F2P players, but it is an absolute catastrophe for the game.
Because who is paying?
Regardless of our personal preference, this "true" aigis event pace, content, user retention, pays for the game, gives it a future ... and Nutaku Aigis is not doing it, their approach cast doubts of a future and who wants to pay if there is none?
It is for no discernable reason that they are not doing what Aigis is made for, designed to, is supposed to do, as already established, and so very hugely successful at 1.5 mio players, by Aigis itself.
They should be what drives our choices within the game, the choice of what we consume of it or not.
They should not be a counter to the fact that the Nutaku version of the game is running badly off track (and it is a fact, as overwhelming demonstrated by amongst other things, the 1st year status, the reward system, the event jumping, backtracking, breaks, difference in treatment or oddly missing revivals though we are past even that point, even at our 50-60% pace)
The Nutaku version might be a perfect F2P game, in the most literal sense of those words, as one can do all for free, as the free regen outstrips the content pace.
But it cant live of that. It is a wonderful thing for F2P players, but it is an absolute catastrophe for the game.
Because who is paying?
Regardless of our personal preference, this "true" aigis event pace, content, user retention, pays for the game, gives it a future ... and Nutaku Aigis is not doing it, their approach cast doubts of a future and who wants to pay if there is none?
It is for no discernable reason that they are not doing what Aigis is made for, designed to, is supposed to do, as already established, and so very hugely successful at 1.5 mio players, by Aigis itself.
Some words about warning signs (just a few & short, wall of text will not crit the reader
)- Our Wiki is full of DMM Aigis talk
I have never seen that in a wiki before. There is usually a sort of self policing, where talks about other versions and games is ruthlessly squashed.
But not here and the reason is simple. Close to all are "tourists". Players that play the DMM Aigis and just play the Nutaku on the side. Most here are tourists too, just look around. Its fine, but it is not a sign of health ...
The entire Nutaku Aigis setup converts what should be the paying core into tourists (the others leave in frustation or sink into acceptance).
Problem? There is not double the amount of cash spent, one version is feeding the other and dying slowly in the process as its player base in an endless cycle splinters or leaves.
A speculative guess : we are, possibly, on the brink of an English Wiki for the DMM version of Aigis being born, where the ENG player base on DMM gains critical mass. The implication for the Nutaku version, were it to happen, would be severe, for were would new players go if there was no language barrier to speak of?
There'd only be DMM itself and use of VPN left to stop a migration.
But not here and the reason is simple. Close to all are "tourists". Players that play the DMM Aigis and just play the Nutaku on the side. Most here are tourists too, just look around. Its fine, but it is not a sign of health ...
The entire Nutaku Aigis setup converts what should be the paying core into tourists (the others leave in frustation or sink into acceptance).
Problem? There is not double the amount of cash spent, one version is feeding the other and dying slowly in the process as its player base in an endless cycle splinters or leaves.
A speculative guess : we are, possibly, on the brink of an English Wiki for the DMM version of Aigis being born, where the ENG player base on DMM gains critical mass. The implication for the Nutaku version, were it to happen, would be severe, for were would new players go if there was no language barrier to speak of?
There'd only be DMM itself and use of VPN left to stop a migration.
It says a lot about a game, that people have to look to the Anniversary in hope for something better ... anniversaries should be triumpant celebrations of ones game not harbingers of a future or none at all.
Aigis is a top game, there is no argument there. But look around. Where are our xxx.xxx players banners, our #1 game spot, the thumping of chests and hand out of goodies in celebration of succes?
Our forums, all the other forums on other boards, they die or hibernate, they turn into graveyards (barring "cycle" wars) when there are breaks. It is a telling sign that there is not enough content, that something is badly wrong, that the base content is long since consumed by the majority of forum users and that it is mostly event driven now. And yet, these events are missing.
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Larcx
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Re: (Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)
Language Barrier.....
Is one of My reason to not go to DMM
Self denying and excusing for using VPN
All becoz of great hope that maybe I , we get better treatment
But now , My hope is broken
Hahahaha..... wish I played DMM earlier
F************************!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why the Hell I couldn't get any more Bernard??????
I really want to AW Raichi!!!!
And now I already got 1500+ Fragment
Enough for that PERFECT Black Rarity Necromancer Babe
Shit shit shit.....!!!!
Language Barrier.....
Is one of My reason to not go to DMM
Self denying and excusing for using VPN
All becoz of great hope that maybe I , we get better treatment
But now , My hope is broken
Hahahaha..... wish I played DMM earlier
F************************!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why the Hell I couldn't get any more Bernard??????
I really want to AW Raichi!!!!
And now I already got 1500+ Fragment
Enough for that PERFECT Black Rarity Necromancer Babe
Shit shit shit.....!!!!
Re: (Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)
You went way overboard to have 1500 so early...
one look at proportions and such for various characters in their illustrations and porn confirms that the heights given for various characters in the fan book is made-up on the spot without any(at the most, minimal) regard for the actual build of the characters.
also, Noel is a dwarf; and a loli, but also a dwarf. so her height isn't really so surprising - makes it creepier in context, though.
on nutaku drama: no regrets jumping to DMM permanently. that's all i'm gonna say.
You went way overboard to have 1500 so early...
one look at proportions and such for various characters in their illustrations and porn confirms that the heights given for various characters in the fan book is made-up on the spot without any(at the most, minimal) regard for the actual build of the characters.
also, Noel is a dwarf; and a loli, but also a dwarf. so her height isn't really so surprising - makes it creepier in context, though.
on nutaku drama: no regrets jumping to DMM permanently. that's all i'm gonna say.
Larcx
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Re: (Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)
Yeah.... I guess I am too stupid to become so this obsesive
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I guess I will have to stop this madness on 1600 fragment
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Well no regret here too
Notice that I deleted the "TRIAL" team screenshoot?
Have not log in for days , not even care for daily log in
And I say I have MOAR fun now
Only use the account for Hitsuji , and I only play for fun
Dun care if it will have break for months , it is really a 4'th rate priorities
Only regreted that I was so stubborn for not even try the VPN
Mostly pride , self denying and language barrier
Hmm , yes yes
I only pointed that Height just for fun
Anyway...... if Mischa have atleast increase attack 1 or 2
She will.... be broken :V
Yeah.... I guess I am too stupid to become so this obsesive
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I guess I will have to stop this madness on 1600 fragment
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Well no regret here too
Notice that I deleted the "TRIAL" team screenshoot?
Have not log in for days , not even care for daily log in
And I say I have MOAR fun now
Only use the account for Hitsuji , and I only play for fun
Dun care if it will have break for months , it is really a 4'th rate priorities
Only regreted that I was so stubborn for not even try the VPN
Mostly pride , self denying and language barrier
Hmm , yes yes
I only pointed that Height just for fun
Anyway...... if Mischa have atleast increase attack 1 or 2
She will.... be broken :V
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Re: (Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)
preparing anti conrad nuke.
Just want to make You all SALTY :V
First 3 = Main
4-6 = Clone
preparing anti conrad nuke.
Re: (Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)
Or we could complain here, where Nutaku have visited on occasion, and via the in game messaging tool for communicating with the Aigis devs. Being silent or moving on does not improve the game. Telling the publisher and developer what's wrong with the game will.
Expect the complaints to continue until the game improves. Don't like the complaints, don't read them or don't let them get to you. It's as easy as that.
Or we could complain here, where Nutaku have visited on occasion, and via the in game messaging tool for communicating with the Aigis devs. Being silent or moving on does not improve the game. Telling the publisher and developer what's wrong with the game will.
Expect the complaints to continue until the game improves. Don't like the complaints, don't read them or don't let them get to you. It's as easy as that.
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Re: (Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)
That's all that's ever really need to have been said, but every time I take the time to construct actual arguments all you see is 5 of the same people spewing the same garbage we've heard 50 times already. Nutaku's Aigis is one of the best games on this forum that I have played. I'm sure DMM Aigis is better. I don't care that it is. If I did, I'd be reading that thread instead of this one.
If you can't make a single post about Nutaku's Aigis's imagined 'shortcomings' without comparing it to DMM aigis, don't post. All we'd see is posts about the break, because that's the only thing there is to bitch about. Bitching that should have ended months ago when constant events started picking up. Missing 2 weeks in 2 months isn't some backslide into the dark ages, especially when one of those weeks was taken off even for the JP version. Maybe stop treating it like one?
I want all the same things you want. If I get passionate enough about wanting them, I'll contact Nutaku. I don't see any point whatsoever defaming a game that doesn't merit defaming in a communal thread for zero gain. If you aren't happy, play DMM. What confuses me more: those who play DMM but still post here because they aren't happy. Nothing will ever make you happy that much is clear, why the addiction to vitriol? Why do you hate this community of players so when they play the same game that you like enough to post about? What's the endgame here?
That's all that's ever really need to have been said, but every time I take the time to construct actual arguments all you see is 5 of the same people spewing the same garbage we've heard 50 times already. Nutaku's Aigis is one of the best games on this forum that I have played. I'm sure DMM Aigis is better. I don't care that it is. If I did, I'd be reading that thread instead of this one.
If you can't make a single post about Nutaku's Aigis's imagined 'shortcomings' without comparing it to DMM aigis, don't post. All we'd see is posts about the break, because that's the only thing there is to bitch about. Bitching that should have ended months ago when constant events started picking up. Missing 2 weeks in 2 months isn't some backslide into the dark ages, especially when one of those weeks was taken off even for the JP version. Maybe stop treating it like one?
I want all the same things you want. If I get passionate enough about wanting them, I'll contact Nutaku. I don't see any point whatsoever defaming a game that doesn't merit defaming in a communal thread for zero gain. If you aren't happy, play DMM. What confuses me more: those who play DMM but still post here because they aren't happy. Nothing will ever make you happy that much is clear, why the addiction to vitriol? Why do you hate this community of players so when they play the same game that you like enough to post about? What's the endgame here?
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Re: (Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)
Yeah easy to say when I have to wade through the same whinning I've read for pages upon pages. No Natuka isn't going to make changes b/c the same 5 people are still complaining. Show me where over the past 50 pages there have been 100 different users complaining, then you might have a case, and maybe Natuka might push harder, but kinda hard to say, yep the same 5 people are still flaming the thread, we better make those changes or else!
Yeah easy to say when I have to wade through the same whinning I've read for pages upon pages. No Natuka isn't going to make changes b/c the same 5 people are still complaining. Show me where over the past 50 pages there have been 100 different users complaining, then you might have a case, and maybe Natuka might push harder, but kinda hard to say, yep the same 5 people are still flaming the thread, we better make those changes or else!