(Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)

[omega780]

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Am I a part of the Kool Kids Klub?

I wanted to AW my echidna, but it requires mages, which I am seriously short on.

 

[Bandit King Conrad]

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I wanted to AW my echidna, but it requires mages, which I am seriously short on.

I've been desperately rolling normal summon in hopes of getting another silver soldier to AW my lucky Sybilla-chan for a week or so now... no luck >_<
I'd share my mages with ya if I could though, Aigis-sama keeps trolling me with them...

I shouldn't be complaining though, lest she plague me with a deluge of Giovannis...
(I already have eighteen silver pirates...)

 

[omega780]

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I shouldn't be complaining though, lest she plague me with a deluge of Giovannis...
(I already have eighteen silver pirates...)

I'm plagued with bandits, healers, Heavy armors, and pirates (27 Pirates!!!). Everything else is almost nonexistent.

 

[Eab1990]

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I still have 20 Calliopes from the fallout that is Charlotte's fourth map.

 

[soranokira]

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I'm plagued with bandits, healers, Heavy armors, and pirates (27 Pirates!!!). Everything else is almost nonexistent.

I would totally take some healers off you just so I can AW both iris and fedora.

 

[Ericridge]

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I have retia adolf figure. Then I bought alleyne figma.. and realized how stupid I was. A statue sucks when compared to an statue that can adjust it's poses. I have alleyne take all kinds of lewd positions for fun.

A statue for me is probably just meh unless its pretty big as in life size.

 

[khawk016]

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I have retia adolf figure. Then I bought alleyne figma.. and realized how stupid I was. A statue sucks when compared to an statue that can adjust it's poses. I have alleyne take all kinds of lewd positions for fun.

A statue for me is probably just meh unless its pretty big as in life size.

they would have to put in certain features at some point for iife size ones keeping them small prevents this that or costs

 

[Larcx]

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I thought you said you only played the DMM version?



You're problem is that you are calling other USERS garbage, not just units. Please stop making this thread a toxic environment.

Did I said I only play DMM?
Man You're stupid~

Well yeah apparently calling a unit garbage is more an offend for Me

And where does it say in that screenshot that I said Liana is worthless? Go on, I'll wait here while you try to point it out. You might be looking for sometime.

You are saying her garbage You garbagegosu~

If You really can;t understand that You really are beyond help
Not only You keep comparing to Alyssa , while others already explain it in a long text...

 

[soranokira]

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the problem is the exchanging of a premium black for an event black, and event blacks cost more and are obviously not as good as their premium counterparts. It's the same argument should Clissa be switched out for Lecia, you'd call her garbage as well for a 22 cost black valkyrie (Clissa costs 20 at full cost in nutaku version atm) who doesnt even have higher attack than any of the plat valks except Emelia (Valkyrie Contract event valk, who has lower stats to offset her holy AW skill, just like maribel)

for units where you want them to be deployed out as early as possible, high cost is a demerit. Liana has a use, as all event blacks and most event plats. However, her utility is severely affected as healers are generally units you want to have at low cost to deploy early, not to mention getting Liana is effectively trading your 3% at an actual premium black-quality unit for an event black-quality unit.

closing your eyes to facts does not help your argument, and neither does insulting people trying to convince you otherwise. grow up already larcx, learn to convince people using legit points and discussions instead of insulting non-stop like a kid.

 

[Larcx]

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the problem is the exchanging of a premium black for an event black, and event blacks cost more and are obviously not as good as their premium counterparts. It's the same argument should Clissa be switched out for Lecia, you'd call her garbage as well for a 22 cost black valkyrie (Clissa costs 20 at full cost in nutaku version atm) who doesnt even have higher attack than any of the plat valks except Emelia (Valkyrie Contract event valk, who has lower stats to offset her holy AW skill, just like maribel)

for units where you want them to be deployed out as early as possible, high cost is a demerit. Liana has a use, as all event blacks and most event plats. However, her utility is severely affected as healers are generally units you want to have at low cost to deploy early, not to mention getting Liana is effectively trading your 3% at an actual premium black-quality unit for an event black-quality unit.

closing your eyes to facts does not help your argument, and neither does insulting people trying to convince you otherwise. grow up already larcx, learn to convince people using legit points and discussions instead of insulting non-stop like a kid.

If You want to call unit a garbage , that's like Gold Armor where You would immediately discharge him

If You still use a unit on the field
Where her Raw ATK without skill is stable and sometime higher than other unit (Except their skill Active)
And instant heal upon deploying on AW passive
Than that definitely couldn't be called a garbage

While the UP is indeed high , that only becos we getting a shitty treatment
And like I said , that +5 UP is indeed suck
But initially she only cost +2 than normal gatcha Black (22 UP)

If You really can't understand between garbage purpose like GA and a unit
You really are so weird~

 

[soranokira]

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If You want to call unit a garbage , that's like Gold Armor where You would immediately discharge him

If You still use a unit on the field
Where her Raw ATK without skill is stable and sometime higher than other unit (Except their skill Active)
And instant heal upon deploying on AW passive
Than that definitely couldn't be called a garbage

While the UP is indeed high , that only becos we getting a shitty treatment
And like I said , that +5 UP is indeed suck
But initially she only cost +2 than normal gatcha Black (22 UP)

If You really can't understand between garbage purpose like GA and a unit
You really are so weird~

Then learn to argue like that to razis. calling him garbage does not help your point any and doesn't make him stop calling liana garbage. it's simply an issue of you finding his term for liana too extreme. I have used a full cost liana on dmm during amon lv5 and I even have her at cc80 100% affection (or was that 0%? well whatever).

discussing about units is one thing. insulting people on a forum is called flaming and does not contribute to the argument/discussion at point.

 

[razisgosu]

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Did I said I only play DMM?
Man You're stupid~

Well yeah apparently calling a unit garbage is more an offend for Me

You are saying her garbage You garbagegosu~

If You really can;t understand that You really are beyond help
Not only You keep comparing to Alyssa , while others already explain it in a long text...

Yeah and garbage is not the same as worthless. Like I said, please point out where I said she is completely and positively worthless. Like I said, I'll wait. You're only showing how much of an ignorant troll you can be by insulting me and ignoring facts.

Here are the facts, she's too expensive to deploy at max cost when in most cases healers need to be deployed early. Yeah she's got some nice raw attack, but on most content on Nutaku that is only going into overhealing, it's for the most part overkill and unnecessary.

 

[Ericridge]

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Liana has a role, an Cleanser. Like Paladins of the old in WoW raids.

For healing, look elsewhere, but if must, Liana can do the job if the team is set up to expect her showing up fashionably late to the party.


That's pretty much what I got from last few pages of arguments over Liana.

 

[Maggifixxx]

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Liana has a role, an Cleanser. Like Paladins of the old in WoW raids.

For healing, look elsewhere, but if must, Liana can do the job if the team is set up to expect her showing up fashionably late to the party.


That's pretty much what I got from last few pages of arguments over Liana.

But... but paladins still were gimped and kinda a joke in Classic WoW aswell...
Like in:
"We don't really need or want to waste a slot for you, but there is this one thing you can do out of your 95% other useless skills that we kinda need so come with us"
I remember we had this Addon installed called Whispercast so we all had Macros to spam our paladin so he gives us certain buffs, this was his only role... to stand there and buff as he was told.

Even Liana isn't THAT useless, I mean atleast Liana can be used for her core competencies unlike paladins in vanilla wow xD

 

[razisgosu]

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5 minute paladin buffs, 40 man raid. Just vanilla WoW things.

 

[Ericridge]

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But... but paladins still were gimped and kinda a joke in Classic WoW aswell...
Like in:
"We don't really need or want to waste a slot for you, but there is this one thing you can do out of your 95% other useless skills that we kinda need so come with us"
I remember we had this Addon installed called Whispercast so we all had Macros to spam our paladin so he gives us certain buffs, this was his only role... to stand there and buff as he was told.

Even Liana isn't THAT useless, I mean atleast Liana can be used for her core competencies unlike paladins in vanilla wow xD

Horde back then wished they could have paladins for cleanse alone, it was kinda an big advantage for the alliance. Nevermind the really good horde firsts. lol And paladins had amazing healing endurance, while they was shit, they could keep on healing forever due to 100% mana back, something like that on every healing crit.

Ah, Those was old days when I was a young holy paladin XD

Alliance basically got screwed over when Horde got access to paladins, while alliance got shamans that lost their awesome windfury. ;_;


But anyways, i recognize that Liana is basically an cleanser that can heal and is priced accordingly for that. She might be cheaper in the future because her only offer is the cleanse spell.

 

[Lucifina]

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Ya'll arguing about a unit I wish I had.
I'll just sit over here grinding Iris and Fedora to AW.

 

[Maggifixxx]

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But anyways, i recognize that Liana is basically an cleanser that can heal and is priced accordingly for that. She might be cheaper in the future because her only offer is the cleanse spell.

Being priced accordingly is actually the single one critique I do have with her.

She wasn't rebalanced. Statwise she still is an Event Unit. Exactly like any other Event Unit also wouldn't be considered to be good on 0 CR-

For sooo many event units it is a game breaker if they are min or max cost, like for example my 40 Cost Odette >_> .... Sure she is cool and I used her a long time... when I had nothing better... but you think she gets much use nowadays that I have other partially awakened Mages for 33 and 35 Cost? She'll never be part of the main team again, because her high cost makes her extremely uncompetitive.

And this is the point where people call Liana "garbage". No one wants to say that she is a total piece of shit that should be thrown away instantliy.
But on max cost she simply shouldn't be considered to be in your main team right now, the one you conquer unknown maps with. She only has niche use as of now.

And given the context that she is a Gacha Black Unit, and don't forget with a 3% Summoning chance it costs on average 165$ to pull one.

Every other black Gacha Unit brings something to the table to make her very usable even on max cost. And in fact, every other black unit I have instantly made my main team...

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... unlike Liana who is a sitting duck, currently used in zero of my teams.

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So here I am with my hypothetical 165$ Unit which I can only use once in a Blue Moon or "for fun" on certain maps where I use her as third or fourth healer.
Her balancing statwise simply is that of an Event Unit, just a borderline "Eh..." on Max Cost, and pretty sweet on Min Cost. With the problem that Min Costing her without the event would be absolutely crazy.
Black Iris, the actual Black Gacha Healer not only has better stats, she also costs 2UP less out of the box... for a reason.

 

[Orion]

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She has the worst HP pool of all the Princesses (well, post-AW she beats the Silver Princess that we don't have yet), but dang them other stats, she's definitely the Elven Princess.

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She has just enough HP to take one Tengu staff, but only if they come one at a time. Her AW's really tempting, but I'm gonna try holding off until Happy's Subjugation. It may happen, it may not, gonna try waiting anyway...though if it does come hopefully we can reach the threshold of insta-99 since it's a group effort.

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My Deine and Saki is literally the same level as yours. :V

 

[Maggifixxx]

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She has the worst HP pool of all the Princesses (well, post-AW she beats the Silver Princess that we don't have yet), but dang them other stats, she's definitely the Elven Princess.

Spoiler

She has just enough HP to take one Tengu staff, but only if they come one at a time. Her AW's really tempting, but I'm gonna try holding off until Happy's Subjugation. It may happen, it may not, gonna try waiting anyway...though if it does come hopefully we can reach the threshold of insta-99 since it's a group effort.


My Deine and Saki is literally the same level as yours. :V

Yeah AWing Olivie is really tempting for me aswell. She probably reduces the Cost of Half Elfs aswell I guess? Like Yuyu for example? Because if yes Olivie will probably be the next AW after Aisha.

So Olivie is the Fairy Princess, and Chydis the Fairy Queen, is it correct to assume Olivie is Chydis' daughter?