R.I.P Nyaa/Sukebei
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Re: R.I.P Nyaa/Sukebei
You don't seem to understand: there were a lot of fansub groups around before CrunchyRoll did their little Brutus gig with the community. Most of them were forced to close up with CrunchyRoll being the threatening party. CrunchyRoll was stealing freesubs for *years*, feeding off of underageb& to get the power they needed to corner the market with legal maneuvers.
You don't seem to understand: there were a lot of fansub groups around before CrunchyRoll did their little Brutus gig with the community. Most of them were forced to close up with CrunchyRoll being the threatening party. CrunchyRoll was stealing freesubs for *years*, feeding off of underageb& to get the power they needed to corner the market with legal maneuvers.
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Fansubber crumbled due to different reasons.
First, there is little to none money involved and it takes time.
Second, there was that unwritten rule: if it's licensed, we stop subbing it.
Considering first two and how many anime CR tries to license you can deduce the rest.
Also, keeping in mind that CR subs were quite shit back in the day.
Lack of honorifics, translated skills, missing weeb words, etc.
What changed? Hiring ex-fansubbers.
All -chan/-san/-sama, words like tsundere and others, it all started showing up. Sure, there are still series that lack it (mostly old ones), but it's hell better than in 2012
BakaBT follows rule of: Don't torrent licensed stuff
Or at least they were last time when I checked their site, don't expect that changed. I don't see them dropping down like nyaa.
Fansubbers that give us unlicensed series so we can watch them are important, even if they work in grey area. Heck, I will support them whenever I can.
Ones like HorribleSubs? Literally their name says it all.
But, let's be honest here:
How many of people shielding fansubbers went to their page to give them revenue from ads (those that had them)? How many people even visited their websites? Yeah, exactly. Download from nyaa and forget.
If you want to talk about cancerous sites that kills fans work, try mangafox and similar. They rip scanlators and put chapters on their own website, with ads, literally making money without work.
But yeah, site that started badly and turned out properly (CR), giving us legal anime is literally hitler.
I have to pay for it? WHAT? HITLER!
Seriously... I hope it was just sarcasm and I didn't get it.
Fansubber crumbled due to different reasons.
First, there is little to none money involved and it takes time.
Second, there was that unwritten rule: if it's licensed, we stop subbing it.
Considering first two and how many anime CR tries to license you can deduce the rest.
Also, keeping in mind that CR subs were quite shit back in the day.
Lack of honorifics, translated skills, missing weeb words, etc.
What changed? Hiring ex-fansubbers.
All -chan/-san/-sama, words like tsundere and others, it all started showing up. Sure, there are still series that lack it (mostly old ones), but it's hell better than in 2012
BakaBT follows rule of: Don't torrent licensed stuff
Or at least they were last time when I checked their site, don't expect that changed. I don't see them dropping down like nyaa.
Fansubbers that give us unlicensed series so we can watch them are important, even if they work in grey area. Heck, I will support them whenever I can.
Ones like HorribleSubs? Literally their name says it all.
But, let's be honest here:
How many of people shielding fansubbers went to their page to give them revenue from ads (those that had them)? How many people even visited their websites? Yeah, exactly. Download from nyaa and forget.
If you want to talk about cancerous sites that kills fans work, try mangafox and similar. They rip scanlators and put chapters on their own website, with ads, literally making money without work.
But yeah, site that started badly and turned out properly (CR), giving us legal anime is literally hitler.
I have to pay for it? WHAT? HITLER!
Seriously... I hope it was just sarcasm and I didn't get it.
dartred
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oh boohoo an official licencor was/is shutting down the pirating competition. cry me a river. oh wait, you already are.
if oversea's sees that we are paying for their products and not just stealing them. they are more likely to officially release more products in the west in english.
look at alicesoft. they didn't release anything in the west due to pirating and the negative stigma over rapelay. so they tested the waters with haruka which was a success and now they are releasing rance games and more (supposedly).
long story short, shutting down pirates is not a bad thing. they mostly lose the fanbase that wouldn't have payed for the product anyways.
oh boohoo an official licencor was/is shutting down the pirating competition. cry me a river. oh wait, you already are.
if oversea's sees that we are paying for their products and not just stealing them. they are more likely to officially release more products in the west in english.
look at alicesoft. they didn't release anything in the west due to pirating and the negative stigma over rapelay. so they tested the waters with haruka which was a success and now they are releasing rance games and more (supposedly).
long story short, shutting down pirates is not a bad thing. they mostly lose the fanbase that wouldn't have payed for the product anyways.
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Is it a shit move? Yes, same as firing people.
They are not gigantic platform like YT, not as big as Netflix, but like every business they need money (both as income and to pay for stuff).
Lower quality means lower size. Lower size means less space on server, less space means more stuff per GB, which means less money.
This is that simple.
No money, more cuts, keep that up and you go down.
But hey, we can go back to hardcore fansubbing, that one is free and people work there for free.
Let's flip a middle finger to whole Japan, yes, we want your stuff, give it for free, let other Japanese pay for it.
Pretty much this.
Hosting streaming service costs money, same goes for translators, editors and other workers, fee for Japanese stations and such.
Is it a shit move? Yes, same as firing people.
They are not gigantic platform like YT, not as big as Netflix, but like every business they need money (both as income and to pay for stuff).
Lower quality means lower size. Lower size means less space on server, less space means more stuff per GB, which means less money.
This is that simple.
No money, more cuts, keep that up and you go down.
But hey, we can go back to hardcore fansubbing, that one is free and people work there for free.
Let's flip a middle finger to whole Japan, yes, we want your stuff, give it for free, let other Japanese pay for it.
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Re: R.I.P Nyaa/Sukebei
I'm going to miss hentai subdomain of Nyaa, but for everything else there's....well - everything else: Anirena, Anidex....heck - Google "<anime I want to watch> torrent", check the group that fansubbed it, access the download directly from their website. The worst thing that can happen is you're going to learn what "IRC" and "XDCC" mean.
"Hope for the best, prepare for the worst" - all good things must come to an end, so I expect that if Nyaa does disappear for good - someone else is going to fill that void. The way I see it, one of the following's going to happen:
1. Nyaa revived (logistics take time, those related to legality - especially).
2. Nyaa evolved (a new public/semi-private tracker that strives to match Nyaa in content available and/or claiming to be "assuming the mantle of Nyaa" in some way).
3. "Plan B" AKA "R.I.P. Nyaa" - neither of the first two happen, and people simply spread to already-existing trackers (ironically, the "win" the legislators are after AND the loudest "F U" in their direction at the same time).
P.s. I'm curious about BBT's direction if they go fully private - I've seen trackers drop the "no licensed uploads" rule after abiding by it and still getting the banhammer.
I'm going to miss hentai subdomain of Nyaa, but for everything else there's....well - everything else: Anirena, Anidex....heck - Google "<anime I want to watch> torrent", check the group that fansubbed it, access the download directly from their website. The worst thing that can happen is you're going to learn what "IRC" and "XDCC" mean.
"Hope for the best, prepare for the worst" - all good things must come to an end, so I expect that if Nyaa does disappear for good - someone else is going to fill that void. The way I see it, one of the following's going to happen:
1. Nyaa revived (logistics take time, those related to legality - especially).
2. Nyaa evolved (a new public/semi-private tracker that strives to match Nyaa in content available and/or claiming to be "assuming the mantle of Nyaa" in some way).
3. "Plan B" AKA "R.I.P. Nyaa" - neither of the first two happen, and people simply spread to already-existing trackers (ironically, the "win" the legislators are after AND the loudest "F U" in their direction at the same time).
P.s. I'm curious about BBT's direction if they go fully private - I've seen trackers drop the "no licensed uploads" rule after abiding by it and still getting the banhammer.
dartred
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Re: R.I.P Nyaa/Sukebei
how do you access bakabt now? i see people say you need to be signed in. last i remember i was signed in before it went down. i had a very good standing with them too. over 1TB of upload at a ratio of 1.5.
how do you access bakabt now? i see people say you need to be signed in. last i remember i was signed in before it went down. i had a very good standing with them too. over 1TB of upload at a ratio of 1.5.
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Re: R.I.P Nyaa/Sukebei
Slightly off topic, but since people are talking about anime streaming sites as an alternative, I've been using Kissanime for quite a while now. Does have some ads and such, but membership is free. Don't know how it compares to Crunchyroll as I've never used that site. (found Kissanime first)
Slightly off topic, but since people are talking about anime streaming sites as an alternative, I've been using Kissanime for quite a while now. Does have some ads and such, but membership is free. Don't know how it compares to Crunchyroll as I've never used that site. (found Kissanime first)
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Re: R.I.P Nyaa/Sukebei
Take what fansubbers did for free, stream it, add ads on website.
Free profit, mangafox tier shit.
Take what fansubbers did for free, stream it, add ads on website.
Free profit, mangafox tier shit.
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Re: R.I.P Nyaa/Sukebei
Sometimes the internet blows my mind. We are on a website almost entirely based around "Fan subbing" games (for free). Yet people on here are saying that it was a good thing that corporations did it to the anime (fan subbing) industry. Commission is not new, fan subbers were (have been) getting it for years.
Serious question: How many translators on this website would want there "job"/free time activities taken away from them?
Sometimes the internet blows my mind. We are on a website almost entirely based around "Fan subbing" games (for free). Yet people on here are saying that it was a good thing that corporations did it to the anime (fan subbing) industry. Commission is not new, fan subbers were (have been) getting it for years.
Serious question: How many translators on this website would want there "job"/free time activities taken away from them?
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Re: R.I.P Nyaa/Sukebei
According to their Twitter, they went down for a "prolonged downtime 24-48h" two days ago, so they'll be back up today, I suppose (unless something else crops up).
Considering they've been going down and back up (whether it's all part of the same "migrating" phase - I wouldn't know) since around mid-April, it just might be related to why Nyaa went lights out. Fun fact: their April Fools post was about switching domains.
According to their Twitter, they went down for a "prolonged downtime 24-48h" two days ago, so they'll be back up today, I suppose (unless something else crops up).
Considering they've been going down and back up (whether it's all part of the same "migrating" phase - I wouldn't know) since around mid-April, it just might be related to why Nyaa went lights out. Fun fact: their April Fools post was about switching domains.
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Re: R.I.P Nyaa/Sukebei
You are forgetting one small thing.
Those games aren't licensed outside of Japan, so some people would never understand what's inside.
Also, they mostly release only translation files, not whole games.
Releasing only txt with subs would be different.
But you need a game to use that translation on, same with anime, you would need video to put subs on.
And look how many translators says to buy the game.
If Japanese game devs would start releasing their games in west, in english, need for translators would go down.
Kind of, because that would open job spaces, as there would be demand for translators and not everyone wants to have "translated porn games" on their work history.
But in exchange we would get more games.
Translations we get are partially out of necessity, as there is no other way and partially thanks to people that want to use their time to do it.
Same happened with anime, turning niche into something bigger and making it more accessible.
I am sorry that not everything in this world is free, but you can't have a business that doesn't make money.
You are forgetting one small thing.
Those games aren't licensed outside of Japan, so some people would never understand what's inside.
Also, they mostly release only translation files, not whole games.
Releasing only txt with subs would be different.
But you need a game to use that translation on, same with anime, you would need video to put subs on.
And look how many translators says to buy the game.
If Japanese game devs would start releasing their games in west, in english, need for translators would go down.
Kind of, because that would open job spaces, as there would be demand for translators and not everyone wants to have "translated porn games" on their work history.
But in exchange we would get more games.
Translations we get are partially out of necessity, as there is no other way and partially thanks to people that want to use their time to do it.
Same happened with anime, turning niche into something bigger and making it more accessible.
I am sorry that not everything in this world is free, but you can't have a business that doesn't make money.
dienow
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Re: R.I.P Nyaa/Sukebei
Put the leecher-stealers in charge of everything. Perfect solution. I love how a free community full of sharing and camaraderie can be poisoned and stabbed to death by the two biggest fuckboy websites in Internet history. First it was FAKKU with eromanga and doujinshi, stealing content for years and then working behind the scenes to sell out their competition for money. Then, CrunchyRoll and their shitty streaming service, legitimizing their years of stealing fansubs to make OUR SUBZ DO NOT STEL!
I don't begrudge Japanese artists and game makers working with westerners for translations. I do begrudge them trying to turn the west into their personal piggy bank like they have Japanese consumers. Japanese otaku shill out more for two episodes than I do for a season of a western show. And they're still replete with terrible translation decisions. Take a look at the shit show that the Prison School anime was subjected to when released.
If you want to commit sudoku while prostrating before your CrunchyRoll masters, leave me out of it please.
The Japanese companies don't give a shit about westerners. They've left that almost solely in the hands of idiots over here until just recently. And they have no idea what they're doing.
But they sure as hell will DMCA every fansub group that CrunchyRoll can sell out.
Put the leecher-stealers in charge of everything. Perfect solution. I love how a free community full of sharing and camaraderie can be poisoned and stabbed to death by the two biggest fuckboy websites in Internet history. First it was FAKKU with eromanga and doujinshi, stealing content for years and then working behind the scenes to sell out their competition for money. Then, CrunchyRoll and their shitty streaming service, legitimizing their years of stealing fansubs to make OUR SUBZ DO NOT STEL!
I don't begrudge Japanese artists and game makers working with westerners for translations. I do begrudge them trying to turn the west into their personal piggy bank like they have Japanese consumers. Japanese otaku shill out more for two episodes than I do for a season of a western show. And they're still replete with terrible translation decisions. Take a look at the shit show that the Prison School anime was subjected to when released.
If you want to commit sudoku while prostrating before your CrunchyRoll masters, leave me out of it please.
The Japanese companies don't give a shit about westerners. They've left that almost solely in the hands of idiots over here until just recently. And they have no idea what they're doing.
But they sure as hell will DMCA every fansub group that CrunchyRoll can sell out.
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Re: R.I.P Nyaa/Sukebei
One thing that really bothers me in English release....
No Lolis. Also, they don't draw vagina/dick in great details when it comes to uncensored stuff too.
Its clear sign they're not enthusiastic on ENG release thanks to hatred towards to outside of Japan and burden of work on English they're so suck at.
So tell me... what it they have for us? A shitty Eng version the many of content is cut-out or ruined? Give me a break.
I personally think Japan deserves it some degree since they pussy out for Rape play stigma for WAY too long.
One thing that really bothers me in English release....
No Lolis. Also, they don't draw vagina/dick in great details when it comes to uncensored stuff too.
Its clear sign they're not enthusiastic on ENG release thanks to hatred towards to outside of Japan and burden of work on English they're so suck at.
So tell me... what it they have for us? A shitty Eng version the many of content is cut-out or ruined? Give me a break.
I personally think Japan deserves it some degree since they pussy out for Rape play stigma for WAY too long.
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Well, excuse me for trying to help. I didn't say it was the moral high ground. You do realize this is a thread about a torrent site?
Well, excuse me for trying to help. I didn't say it was the moral high ground. You do realize this is a thread about a torrent site?
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Yes and this is somewhat still related.
I am not bashing you for giving a website that streams anime, I am saying what they do and it's exactly same thing that mangafox does.
Go, ask fansubbers/scanlators how they feel about it.
Well, it literally goes down to this:
I want more anime, more porn games. Why Japanese don't want to go into west more???
*Making it so people can legally watch/play, turning it into profit for Japanese devs/studios*
Pay? But fansubbers/translators did it for free, fuck that!
You can't eat a cake and have a cake.
Translating unlicensed stuff, making it available made anime community grow, someone turned it into profit for those making it and for themselves. A lot of series became licensed, so they started taking down illegal ones (Damn those Japanese stations taking down stuff!).
Outrage, because apparently I can't for free.
Like... What the hell? Gimme that, gimme this, have a middle finger as payment. We aren't teenagers anymore.
Oh right, don't forget to turn adblock on, because ULMF is being paid by magic and good intentions.
*Throws salt everywhere*
I will see myself out >_>
Yes and this is somewhat still related.
I am not bashing you for giving a website that streams anime, I am saying what they do and it's exactly same thing that mangafox does.
Go, ask fansubbers/scanlators how they feel about it.
Anon said:
tl;dr?
Well, it literally goes down to this:
I want more anime, more porn games. Why Japanese don't want to go into west more???
*Making it so people can legally watch/play, turning it into profit for Japanese devs/studios*
Pay? But fansubbers/translators did it for free, fuck that!
You can't eat a cake and have a cake.
Translating unlicensed stuff, making it available made anime community grow, someone turned it into profit for those making it and for themselves. A lot of series became licensed, so they started taking down illegal ones (Damn those Japanese stations taking down stuff!).
Outrage, because apparently I can't for free.
Like... What the hell? Gimme that, gimme this, have a middle finger as payment. We aren't teenagers anymore.
Oh right, don't forget to turn adblock on, because ULMF is being paid by magic and good intentions.
*Throws salt everywhere*
I will see myself out >_>
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I didn't mean it was unrelated, I meant trying to take the moral high ground in a thread about a torrent site seems a bit silly. Torrent sites being kind of the opposite of the moral high ground.
But I'm glad you didn't take it personally, wasn't trying to start a flame war, just being a little sarcastic.
I didn't mean it was unrelated, I meant trying to take the moral high ground in a thread about a torrent site seems a bit silly. Torrent sites being kind of the opposite of the moral high ground.
But I'm glad you didn't take it personally, wasn't trying to start a flame war, just being a little sarcastic.
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As for the topic... damn shame, but the internet's weathered worse shit-storms.
While I'm sure there are cultures that treat math puzzles as some form of horrible penance, I suspect you were thinking of seppuku instead. Personally I'm thinking they both sound horrible, but YMMV.
As for the topic... damn shame, but the internet's weathered worse shit-storms.
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.se as in Sweden means it's never coming back. Sweden when it comes to these things has practically become 1984.
.se as in Sweden means it's never coming back. Sweden when it comes to these things has practically become 1984.
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