The Works of Toonpimp
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Re: Curse of Craclevania 2, WHAT?! A decent game from toonpimp?!
Blasphemy! No, but seriously, I doubt TP could even hope to become a QUARTER as good as Toffi-sama... Unless he hired a ton of people to help him.
Blasphemy! No, but seriously, I doubt TP could even hope to become a QUARTER as good as Toffi-sama... Unless he hired a ton of people to help him.
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Re: Curse of Craclevania 2, WHAT?! A decent game from toonpimp?!
we shall put peoples potentials aside now and deal with what they have..
what use is fat to a fat person who does not use it?
it will merely be hinder and regret to the aforementioned person
yet this fat, is energy,
similar things apply here
plus
theres no use ranting how good tp could be when it does not influence him.
nor does it influence anybody else positively..
we shall put peoples potentials aside now and deal with what they have..
what use is fat to a fat person who does not use it?
it will merely be hinder and regret to the aforementioned person
yet this fat, is energy,
similar things apply here
plus
theres no use ranting how good tp could be when it does not influence him.
nor does it influence anybody else positively..
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Re: Curse of Craclevania 2, WHAT?! A decent game from toonpimp?!
I don't particularly have anything against toffi, but all the fanboys kinda bother me a little, it's not like he's that great of a game maker...
His games ar not particularly challenging or fun to "play"(he's not 1/10th as good as 暁(dawn?) or whatever NS creator names is or inui(nanocrisis)), and the sex animations are stiff and mechanics, the girls look like puppets, and he's not showed any artistic skills besides using "custom shojo", raped! was ripped off ryonasaga and m.u.g.e.n., if he put more effort into it his animations could be a lot more fluid and fluidity is all an animation is worth, in this sense he's not even as good as toonpimp(when he puts some effort) or playshapes or inui or eluku or zeta or hatahata(unholy sanctuary) and i'm sure i'm forgetting someone. His works have a whole lot of room for improvements in the graphic and expecially in the gameplay, what the hell is that makes him "master"?
He's a nice guy, that sure doesn't make his game better than what they are, with skill and time who puts as much effort as he feels right, no more no less, and we're all grateful that he does, so i've got a few question for the toffi-maniacs, please enlighten me, what is exactly that make toffi's games the top of quality? what makes them the new yardstick of gaming eccellence? why do i bother making these posts knowing i'll probably only get some frenzied rage in response???
Agreed.
I don't particularly have anything against toffi, but all the fanboys kinda bother me a little, it's not like he's that great of a game maker...
His games ar not particularly challenging or fun to "play"(he's not 1/10th as good as 暁(dawn?) or whatever NS creator names is or inui(nanocrisis)), and the sex animations are stiff and mechanics, the girls look like puppets, and he's not showed any artistic skills besides using "custom shojo", raped! was ripped off ryonasaga and m.u.g.e.n., if he put more effort into it his animations could be a lot more fluid and fluidity is all an animation is worth, in this sense he's not even as good as toonpimp(when he puts some effort) or playshapes or inui or eluku or zeta or hatahata(unholy sanctuary) and i'm sure i'm forgetting someone. His works have a whole lot of room for improvements in the graphic and expecially in the gameplay, what the hell is that makes him "master"?
He's a nice guy, that sure doesn't make his game better than what they are, with skill and time who puts as much effort as he feels right, no more no less, and we're all grateful that he does, so i've got a few question for the toffi-maniacs, please enlighten me, what is exactly that make toffi's games the top of quality? what makes them the new yardstick of gaming eccellence? why do i bother making these posts knowing i'll probably only get some frenzied rage in response???
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Re: Curse of Craclevania 2, WHAT?! A decent game from toonpimp?!
He reads the forums. It's polite for us to compliment him. Granted he asks for criticism, but it's that whole "Ask for criticism, get compliments" deal that kind of stops it. Plus people tend to be nicer to someone when the person in question isn't a gigantic asshole.
He reads the forums. It's polite for us to compliment him. Granted he asks for criticism, but it's that whole "Ask for criticism, get compliments" deal that kind of stops it. Plus people tend to be nicer to someone when the person in question isn't a gigantic asshole.
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Re: Curse of Craclevania 2, WHAT?! A decent game from toonpimp?!
*Deep breath*
Exactly what Darkfire said. Plus, I'm not saying Toffi-sama is the greatest around, but he's better than TP for sure, which was the argument in the first place... And if I eve mention the author that this whole forum is based for (by name) i will put a -sama after that name as well. Anyone I believe is a good author will get a -sama. And Toffi-sama brought me back to the world of hentai gaming, after a few years with none. So, we may disagree, or maybe we don't cuz I'm not over the edge of fanaticism about him... But yeah. That's my explanation. I'll shut up for now. Oh, and I don't think I've said -sama enough... -_-
*breathes*
*Deep breath*
Exactly what Darkfire said. Plus, I'm not saying Toffi-sama is the greatest around, but he's better than TP for sure, which was the argument in the first place... And if I eve mention the author that this whole forum is based for (by name) i will put a -sama after that name as well. Anyone I believe is a good author will get a -sama. And Toffi-sama brought me back to the world of hentai gaming, after a few years with none. So, we may disagree, or maybe we don't cuz I'm not over the edge of fanaticism about him... But yeah. That's my explanation. I'll shut up for now. Oh, and I don't think I've said -sama enough... -_-
*breathes*
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Re: Curse of Craclevania 2, WHAT?! A decent game from toonpimp?!
Heh, that answer doesn't fit with the questions, i didn't ask why people like him, i'm talking about games.
What you call him or if you really like him and his works is not what bothers me, it's obivious you'll want to use onorifics for someone you admire, and i'm fine with it(even if i joke about it sometimes ).
What i don't like are sentences like this one:
This is useless flattery, or blind creed, you have to tell me "why" he's better, you have to tell me "what" makes it better, and that needs to be done in an objective form, for the fact you like his works doesn't make them better than others. The way most toffians talk about their "lord" is to elevate him to higer ground, what you mean might be that you "like" him, but it comes out as "he's the best period", making of a subjective concept and objective truth, it's not what you say, but the way you say it that gives it meaning, and that's what bothers me, semantic.
I'm treating you and the others like a cult because that's the most fitting description, for people that does not care about reasons but just keep repeating how much better what they worship is, i still haven't seen anyone actually post something that even try to explain what makes toffi's games good as "games", where is the criticism darkfire talks about? am i the only one talking about games here? How long is gonna take toffi to finish his last game???
Btw, you shouldn't shut up, you have to stand for what you think is right, what's more you still haven't given me an answer i find suitable, so keep at it.
Heh, that answer doesn't fit with the questions, i didn't ask why people like him, i'm talking about games.
What you call him or if you really like him and his works is not what bothers me, it's obivious you'll want to use onorifics for someone you admire, and i'm fine with it(even if i joke about it sometimes
).What i don't like are sentences like this one:
This is useless flattery, or blind creed, you have to tell me "why" he's better, you have to tell me "what" makes it better, and that needs to be done in an objective form, for the fact you like his works doesn't make them better than others. The way most toffians talk about their "lord" is to elevate him to higer ground, what you mean might be that you "like" him, but it comes out as "he's the best period", making of a subjective concept and objective truth, it's not what you say, but the way you say it that gives it meaning, and that's what bothers me, semantic.
I'm treating you and the others like a cult because that's the most fitting description, for people that does not care about reasons but just keep repeating how much better what they worship is, i still haven't seen anyone actually post something that even try to explain what makes toffi's games good as "games", where is the criticism darkfire talks about? am i the only one talking about games here? How long is gonna take toffi to finish his last game???
Btw, you shouldn't shut up, you have to stand for what you think is right, what's more you still haven't given me an answer i find suitable, so keep at it.
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Re: Curse of Craclevania 2, WHAT?! A decent game from toonpimp?!
First off, I'd like to preface this by saying that I don't believe stylistically artists can be compared, but as long as John is playing advocate, I might as well.
Ok, so there can be arguments that the material released by TP is better than that of Toffis, more obvious sex content as well. But why is Toffi a better game maker if the argument is that TP's content in his games are better? The reason is because Toffi releases games, TP doesn't. As long as tp decides to go his route of unfinishing everything he touches and recycling being his only creative process, EVERYONE who actually releases a game that's done is considered a better game maker, because they actually make games, which is the sole requirement of being a game maker, that TP fails in doing.
First off, I'd like to preface this by saying that I don't believe stylistically artists can be compared, but as long as John is playing advocate, I might as well.
Ok, so there can be arguments that the material released by TP is better than that of Toffis, more obvious sex content as well. But why is Toffi a better game maker if the argument is that TP's content in his games are better? The reason is because Toffi releases games, TP doesn't. As long as tp decides to go his route of unfinishing everything he touches and recycling being his only creative process, EVERYONE who actually releases a game that's done is considered a better game maker, because they actually make games, which is the sole requirement of being a game maker, that TP fails in doing.
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Re: Curse of Craclevania 2, WHAT?! A decent game from toonpimp?!
now we go back to potential
tp, in a sense, had the imagination, to make "unique" game(s) that impressed many, yet he is now stalling and being irrational
Toffi, while unable to produce the quality he seeks, continue, and over time, become better thru experience,
we respect Toffi's hardships, and praise him for being one of the few striving to make a difference in the community(whoever affected), positively
and we also respect Toffi's revolutionary idea that wasn't much implemented in the past..
while still immature in result, we praise such a game,
for we know
it has the opportunity, more than others
to be Epic..
now we go back to potential
tp, in a sense, had the imagination, to make "unique" game(s) that impressed many, yet he is now stalling and being irrational
Toffi, while unable to produce the quality he seeks, continue, and over time, become better thru experience,
we respect Toffi's hardships, and praise him for being one of the few striving to make a difference in the community(whoever affected), positively
and we also respect Toffi's revolutionary idea that wasn't much implemented in the past..
while still immature in result, we praise such a game,
for we know
it has the opportunity, more than others
to be Epic..
R
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Re: Curse of Craclevania 2, WHAT?! A decent game from toonpimp?!
I am kinda appalled that JohnDoe insulted the fans of Toffi. In fact, I wouldn't have thought he'd even go THAT low, my mind leaving him at least a small space for improvement.
I guess he's either looking for drama, or just being dumb. I do not want to think of the latter because dsgsdggsdfhhrshdgeawsgfsd *sounds of breaking down and crying heard*
I am kinda appalled that JohnDoe insulted the fans of Toffi. In fact, I wouldn't have thought he'd even go THAT low, my mind leaving him at least a small space for improvement.
I guess he's either looking for drama, or just being dumb. I do not want to think of the latter because dsgsdggsdfhhrshdgeawsgfsd *sounds of breaking down and crying heard*
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Re: Curse of Craclevania 2, WHAT?! A decent game from toonpimp?!
I, too, am appalled, but instead of being overwhelm by such emotion, I, strive to think first, and create better understanding, for it, produces better results overall,
you have a bad habit Mr. JohnDoe ..
but I fear not, nor do I get much agitated,
for I know
That you will suffer consequences..
I, too, am appalled, but instead of being overwhelm by such emotion, I, strive to think first, and create better understanding, for it, produces better results overall,
you have a bad habit Mr. JohnDoe ..
but I fear not, nor do I get much agitated,
for I know
That you will suffer consequences..
R
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Re: Curse of Craclevania 2, WHAT?! A decent game from toonpimp?!
Good point and well put. I guess I have a weak brain, myself...
Good point and well put. I guess I have a weak brain, myself...
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Re: Curse of Craclevania 2, WHAT?! A decent game from toonpimp?!
The reason my games are better is... well, fuck it, I have no place in this argument.
And actually I couldn't care less who's a better game maker. I can't draw for shit and my coding skills are limited to a 2002 Freeware Fighter Maker. All I do is putting screenshots together to make semi-fluent animations.
And that's it. I'm not competing with anybody and I don't plan to. I am just doing what I like. If people like the result, it's even better. If not, maybe I'll try to fix a problem or I don't.
What I really don't get from your post is this: why do you think people need an objective argument for liking something? Especially in Hentai Games.
Well, I have to admit in this thread it has gotten a little cultic and while I enjoy the praise it's a little embarassing as well.
I think beginning of december. Yeah, probably.
The reason my games are better is... well, fuck it, I have no place in this argument.
And actually I couldn't care less who's a better game maker. I can't draw for shit and my coding skills are limited to a 2002 Freeware Fighter Maker. All I do is putting screenshots together to make semi-fluent animations.
And that's it. I'm not competing with anybody and I don't plan to. I am just doing what I like. If people like the result, it's even better. If not, maybe I'll try to fix a problem or I don't.
What I really don't get from your post is this: why do you think people need an objective argument for liking something? Especially in Hentai Games.
Well, I have to admit in this thread it has gotten a little cultic and while I enjoy the praise it's a little embarassing as well.
How long is gonna take toffi to finish his last game???
I think beginning of december. Yeah, probably.
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Re: Curse of Craclevania 2, WHAT?! A decent game from toonpimp?!
I think idol worship gets worse when the object of affection is more visible and present, it's a sort of availability thing. Yeah, I don't mean to offend but I think these guys are a little overboard, and partly because they know you're here. I had said myself, however, that comparison isn't fair between you two and expressed my explanation as "playing advocate."
I think idol worship gets worse when the object of affection is more visible and present, it's a sort of availability thing. Yeah, I don't mean to offend but I think these guys are a little overboard, and partly because they know you're here. I had said myself, however, that comparison isn't fair between you two and expressed my explanation as "playing advocate."
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Re: Curse of Craclevania 2, WHAT?! A decent game from toonpimp?!
Toonpimp did realease some complete games as previously stated, your argument is weak...
@dragoonistix
Yeah, you made it clear he's a better person, and got potentials, i recognise that and i praise him too for his efforts and open mind(although it might not seem like i do ), but you're talking future and i'm talking present, we're on different pages of the same book, i can't disagree with your statements, because they're coherent with my personal view, but nothing in my last post refers to potentials, i talk about actual content of presently accessible materials, since i addressed your point i'd apreciate you addressed mine.
Heh, the irony lies in the transposition of the toonpimp/toffi comparison to the treatment toffi/toompimp fan-bases gets, i admit it's a pretty obscure underlying meaning, but irony isn't supposed to be easily accessible.
If you feel offended by my complex and ambiguous joke i apologize.
Damn you, stop wasting time on this thread and go work!!!
Bad jokes aside, please don't take my hard criticism too much to heart, it's harsh for a reason(which i'm not explaining, if you really want to know i can pm you about it ).
Back on track, i never said there is a need for "an objective argument for liking something", you need objective facts to argue about something with others, you need objective arguments when making statements for these to be useful toward the discussion, extremely subjective posts of personal opinions can be detrimental to a discussion, if it meets another totally subjective point of view, there are very high chances you'll see the start of a "flame war", imagine it like two guys shouting at each other in different languages, there is no understanding of each other's point, you need an objective(or at the very least a similarly subjective) concept to actually connect, an even ground where two agree(for example the meaning of a word). I know this looks more complicated than it actually is, but i can't do better in english...
Now, i don't have any problem with people coming out and saying "I really like this, for me it's the best", but when you show up in a thread and make an hard(and rather offensive) comment, comparing someone to someone else on the simple base of your personal subjective view not giving any objective reason, it ticks me off.
When i see this "TP is like a slave and Toffi his master if only he could learn from Toffi i think he could improve his games alot." i think:
Why the hell did you have to say that?
What the hell happens if a toonpimp-fan shows up?
Why the fuck did you have to make it into a gay S&M relationship???
ace5903 made a perfectly coherent post till he had the weird urge to instigate chaos, then dragoon made a joke and ace and luppi(one piece, anyone?) exasperated the concept making it a look like an objective truth that toffi's games were much better than toonpimp's and the latter would have to learn from toffi on how to make a game. Now, at present, the two of you don't even use the same medium for making games, and use completely different metods of producing art and animations, all things that should stop people from making useless comparisons, but fanboys don't care about facts or other opinions, they only know you're the best and no one else can raise higher than the soil you step on, i remember in another forum someone say fairy fighting isn't half as good as fairy war, and that eluku could learn a lot from you in game making(think it was hongfire, not sure), so it's not just toonpimp.
I like you and your work man, but your cult just plainly piss me off!
(you asked for an explanation, so you better read it all and answer accordingly, cause it was a pain to type.)
Toonpimp did realease some complete games as previously stated, your argument is weak...
@dragoonistix
Yeah, you made it clear he's a better person, and got potentials, i recognise that and i praise him too for his efforts and open mind(although it might not seem like i do
), but you're talking future and i'm talking present, we're on different pages of the same book, i can't disagree with your statements, because they're coherent with my personal view, but nothing in my last post refers to potentials, i talk about actual content of presently accessible materials, since i addressed your point i'd apreciate you addressed mine.Heh, the irony lies in the transposition of the toonpimp/toffi comparison to the treatment toffi/toompimp fan-bases gets, i admit it's a pretty obscure underlying meaning, but irony isn't supposed to be easily accessible.
If you feel offended by my complex and ambiguous joke i apologize.
Damn you, stop wasting time on this thread and go work!!!
Bad jokes aside, please don't take my hard criticism too much to heart, it's harsh for a reason(which i'm not explaining, if you really want to know i can pm you about it
).Back on track, i never said there is a need for "an objective argument for liking something", you need objective facts to argue about something with others, you need objective arguments when making statements for these to be useful toward the discussion, extremely subjective posts of personal opinions can be detrimental to a discussion, if it meets another totally subjective point of view, there are very high chances you'll see the start of a "flame war", imagine it like two guys shouting at each other in different languages, there is no understanding of each other's point, you need an objective(or at the very least a similarly subjective) concept to actually connect, an even ground where two agree(for example the meaning of a word). I know this looks more complicated than it actually is, but i can't do better in english...
Now, i don't have any problem with people coming out and saying "I really like this, for me it's the best", but when you show up in a thread and make an hard(and rather offensive) comment, comparing someone to someone else on the simple base of your personal subjective view not giving any objective reason, it ticks me off.
When i see this "TP is like a slave and Toffi his master if only he could learn from Toffi i think he could improve his games alot." i think:
Why the hell did you have to say that?
What the hell happens if a toonpimp-fan shows up?
Why the fuck did you have to make it into a gay S&M relationship???
ace5903 made a perfectly coherent post till he had the weird urge to instigate chaos, then dragoon made a joke and ace and luppi(one piece, anyone?) exasperated the concept making it a look like an objective truth that toffi's games were much better than toonpimp's and the latter would have to learn from toffi on how to make a game. Now, at present, the two of you don't even use the same medium for making games, and use completely different metods of producing art and animations, all things that should stop people from making useless comparisons, but fanboys don't care about facts or other opinions, they only know you're the best and no one else can raise higher than the soil you step on, i remember in another forum someone say fairy fighting isn't half as good as fairy war, and that eluku could learn a lot from you in game making(think it was hongfire, not sure), so it's not just toonpimp.
I like you and your work man, but your cult just plainly piss me off!
(you asked for an explanation, so you better read it all and answer accordingly, cause it was a pain to type.
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Re: Curse of Craclevania 2, WHAT?! A decent game from toonpimp?!
Just like the past tense in this statement "TP used to be a game maker"
past tenseToonpimp did realease some complete games as previously stated, your argument is weak...
Just like the past tense in this statement "TP used to be a game maker"
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Re: Curse of Craclevania 2, WHAT?! A decent game from toonpimp?!
Can't argue with that.
past tense
Just like the past tense in this statement "TP used to be a game maker"
Can't argue with that.
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Re: Curse of Craclevania 2, WHAT?! A decent game from toonpimp?!
ok first off i never was trying to piss anyone off but honestly i was just stateing that i think TP could learn afew things from toffi and be able to improve his games i never said his games were bad all i said was they were not something i would pay for and that is just my opinion and honestly everyone has 1. i belive i also stated that i have played TP's games now yes i do think toffi makes better games but as stated before that is my opinion and others are intitled to theres yes i am a fan of toffi and in some ways i'm a fan of TP would probly like both the same if TP would get off his high horse and actuly make the games he says he is going to make but well we will just have to wait and see if he does
Toonpimp did realease some complete games as previously stated, your argument is weak...
ace5903 made a perfectly coherent post till he had the weird urge to instigate chaos, then dragoon made a joke and ace and luppi(one piece, anyone?) exasperated the concept making it a look like an objective truth that toffi's games were much better than toonpimp's and the latter would have to learn from toffi on how to make a game. Now, at present, the two of you don't even use the same medium for making games, and use completely different metods of producing art and animations, all things that should stop people from making useless comparisons, but fanboys don't care about facts or other opinions, they only know you're the best and no one else can raise higher than the soil you step on, i remember in another forum someone say fairy fighting isn't half as good as fairy war, and that eluku could learn a lot from you in game making(think it was hongfire, not sure), so it's not just toonpimp.
I like you and your work man, but your cult just plainly piss me off!
(you asked for an explanation, so you better read it all and answer accordingly, cause it was a pain to type.
ok first off i never was trying to piss anyone off but honestly i was just stateing that i think TP could learn afew things from toffi and be able to improve his games i never said his games were bad all i said was they were not something i would pay for and that is just my opinion and honestly everyone has 1. i belive i also stated that i have played TP's games now yes i do think toffi makes better games but as stated before that is my opinion and others are intitled to theres yes i am a fan of toffi and in some ways i'm a fan of TP would probly like both the same if TP would get off his high horse and actuly make the games he says he is going to make but well we will just have to wait and see if he does
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Re: Curse of Craclevania 2, WHAT?! A decent game from toonpimp?!
Don't worry, I'm not taking it to heart. I know it's not personal so I there is no reason for me to.
I get your point; but it doesn't change my point of view. I don't think there needs to be an objective reason. You enjoy my game or you don't. You think my game is better than others, or you don't.
It's not like this is math or a contest where you can clearly say what's better. Even though there are some points where you can say this (for example: game x has more frames than game y, game y has a longer story than game x), you definitely can't say that for an entire game. There just aren't any real objective reasons, it's just taste. So I really don't get why you want to bring these reasons into the discussion. There are a lot of people here who say my games are better than TP's. Over there there are probably quite a few who think my games are worse.
It's just the way it is.
Damn you, stop wasting time on this thread and go work!!!
Bad jokes aside, please don't take my hard criticism too much to heart, it's harsh for a reason(which i'm not explaining, if you really want to know i can pm you about it
Don't worry, I'm not taking it to heart. I know it's not personal so I there is no reason for me to.
Back on track, i never said there is a need for "an objective argument for liking something", you need objective facts to argue about something with others, you need objective arguments when making statements for these to be useful toward the discussion, extremely subjective posts of personal opinions can be detrimental to a discussion, if it meets another totally subjective point of view, there are very high chances you'll see the start of a "flame war", imagine it like two guys shouting at each other in different languages, there is no understanding of each other's point, you need an objective(or at the very least a similarly subjective) concept to actually connect, an even ground where two agree(for example the meaning of a word). I know this looks more complicated than it actually is, but i can't do better in english...
I get your point; but it doesn't change my point of view. I don't think there needs to be an objective reason. You enjoy my game or you don't. You think my game is better than others, or you don't.
It's not like this is math or a contest where you can clearly say what's better. Even though there are some points where you can say this (for example: game x has more frames than game y, game y has a longer story than game x), you definitely can't say that for an entire game. There just aren't any real objective reasons, it's just taste. So I really don't get why you want to bring these reasons into the discussion. There are a lot of people here who say my games are better than TP's. Over there there are probably quite a few who think my games are worse.
It's just the way it is.