TLE:A Discussion thread

[Serifyn]

Re: TLE:A Discussion thread

little "Ethan" (shit, why should we call it by a name Oo ?)

Ella was tricked into naming it, but im sure Ella wouldn't call it anything more than a monster now.

Zoey however will likely continue to keep calling it Ethan, being that she is into the humanization of tentacles.

"divine favor"

i never said anything about divine favor or losing it because of killing a tentacle creature, the fact is, it could be anything, but it is likely something 'holy'. What would cause you to gain or lose favor with them isnt understood, neither is the way to once again empower you and your weapons.

My only complaint was the form, the fact that the mind-link magic was a bit contrived while Zoey could've just made a run for it

It is unlikely Ella would have simply allowed Zoey to run away, especially with the creature she had just birthed, Zoey still owed Ella a map to each of the overlords, including the black one in the dark forest.

Zoey has her own bag of tricks, when we were choosing between which characters to play as in this CYOA, it was noted that she had the ability 'Tentacle understanding' which allowed her to interact with tentacles in ways other characters couldn't, knowing so much about them, she might have learned a couple of their tricks over the years.

I know people will feel like i pulled this one out of my ass regardless of what i say, and perhaps i did, but when considering alternatives, i just couldn't justify Zoey honoring her agreement with Ella and delivering her overlord to Ella on a silver platter.

 

[4access69]

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Yeah but ... As i've already written it : we had only two choices. To kill or to submit. However, so, we should lose the "divine favor" (fuck, why "divine" ? Why is there always God(s) ?). So ... I don't really understand all that.

Well, there is always God because its existence has neither been definitely disproved nor confirmed yet.

Furthermore, throughout the human history, Gods have been known for aiding people in their times of hardship, but also for testing their faith by putting them in impossibly hopeless situations.

God's help out of those situations has only come to humble people who accept the hardships and seemingly bad deals because they have faith and determination to continue towards their goal (but not at all costs), never to chest beaters who rage because they can't have it their way everytime.

Yeah, you talked about the C and not killing the little "Ethan" (shit, why should we call it by a name Oo ?) but all the people who voted B voted B 'cause there wasn't the C. Many of them didn't read that there was a C : we cannot blame them if we are "in shit" and if "you told us".

Of course we can blame those who voted for B -- there was a plenty of time to change the vote after Serifyn's edit. It is just that people didn't want to make a reasonable compromise (basically just to delay the final verdict on tentacles until we know more), but instead went berserk even though they could have seen from miles away that such an attempt must fail if they just used some common sense.

I for one am sad that it has come to that, because I was really curious to see how Ella's relationship with her "child" would develop. Maybe that would have failed and she would have ended up killing him anyway (there is always a chance for that), but maybe completely different path would have opened for us?

Imagine if we lived alone with him for some time, and if we managed to explain him the concept of human values, to explain why it is wrong to just go around and take whatever you want without any control, why human life has value beyond being a mere vessel for reproduction?

Now we will never know -- even if we meet Ethan later he won't be the same since Ella attempted to kill him in cold blood even though it did no harm to her. Finally, once he has been mentally shaped by Zoey and all the other rapist tentacles and submissive women it will encounter in her company his view of the world will inevitably be swayed towards total enslavement of human species because he will never meet anyone different enough to care.

I hope you will enjoy your "kill all that moves" choice, but I am almost sure that harsh punishment will follow just to show you what the right choice was in a hard way, just like in real life.

 

[censuur]

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I don't think there's a lot of people that would blame you for introducing new elements in a fantasy story. I just wished there was an option to keep trying not to get raped without going axe-crazy. In a sense, I interpreted Elle's goal as "keep tentacles away from me" rather than "destroy all tentacles" (though to a certain degree they might overlap) It might have looked like I was arguing for "destroy all tentacles", though that was mainly due to the severity of the arguments I used against the alternatives. Elle is a lot more interesting now than if she were to simply do the same predictable course of action (find tentacles -> kill tentacles) every time like some robot.

 

[Minerve]

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Of course we can blame those who voted for B -- there was a plenty of time to change the vote after Serifyn's edit. It is just that people didn't want to make a reasonable compromise (basically just to delay the final verdict on tentacles until we know more), but instead went berserk even though they could have seen from miles away that such an attempt must fail if they just used some common sense.

Personnaly, I accept, I claim and I assume my choice ^^ But, as I've written it - I still can't think that you're trying to understand the "low-people" (who aren't you, so) - some maybe did'nt read the thread, even if they could and would changed their vote. And still : fuck all the guys who think that we can blame people on a game just because these guys think that they are better ^_^

Can't you really make an effort, please ? We voted : if you dislike loosing, go play cards ! We voted, that's all, that's enough. If everybody does like you, we can close the whole forum.

Now :

Spoiler

Well, there is always God because its existence has neither been definitely disproved nor confirmed yet.

Furthermore, throughout the human history, Gods have been known for aiding people in their times of hardship, but also for testing their faith by putting them in impossibly hopeless situations.

God's help out of those situations has only come to humble people who accept the hardships and seemingly bad deals because they have faith and determination to continue towards their goal (but not at all costs), never to chest beaters who rage because they can't have it their way everytime.

His existence ? Who "god" ? The guy who sit upon the clouds ? All the guys who tried to do the same fell : he's fuckin' good this bastard ! I want to be on his "Magical cloud".

For the rest ? Yes, but so, it's only the imagination of the people and their faith : so, to put some "religions", why not, but to make corpse a "voice which never answer", even in a story seems to me quite disturbed ... Either, many gods (without big "G") as the Egyptian, the Greeks, the Nords, etc. I can handle easily these religions even if they're dreams too : they weren't affected by a kind of schizophrenia lol

Spoiler

If I bothered someone with my convictions, I apologize - even if i won't erase my message just as you wouldn't too ^^. It's ethical.

 

[Dracador]

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Imagine if we lived alone with him for some time, and if we managed to explain him the concept of human values, to explain why it is wrong to just go around and take whatever you want without any control, why human life has value beyond being a mere vessel for reproduction?

While it would have been nice to see this, there is a precedent for this situation at the end of the first Tentacle Lair Escape. Going that way would probably have just been a slower descent into slavery

 

[4access69]

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While it would have been nice to see this, there is a precedent for this situation at the end of the first Tentacle Lair Escape. Going that way would probably have just been a slower descent into slavery

One such situation can hardly be called a precedent for all future encounters, this is not a court, it is an open world with many variables.

Also, this is Ella we are talking about who has strong will and determination and who endured a lot to get where she is without becoming a slave.

Even though tentacles attempted to break Ella many times, she didn't succumb to it, and what set her apart from other characters so far in this trilogy was that by fighting off those attempts she didn't lose her humanity like the other girls did -- at least not until people voted to go Postal. As expected, instead of killing enemies they only succeeded in killing Ella's character by making her the same as the girls who came before her, which is exactly what Serifyn was trying to avoid, and which I was cautioning you against.

@Minerve:
First, don't get me wrong, knowing the subject doesn't mean I am religious myself, I am just trying to convey some common knowledge which may have influenced the story creation.
Second, yes I can still blame them. If they are interested in the CYOA enough to come and cast a shitty vote, they should have noticed the change. I am not cutting them any slack because they were lazy to check the thread or didn't subscribe to notifications.

 

[NekoTerra]

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I can't really add much that 4access69 has not already said, however there is a little something and I am sure many will hate it.

We have past the point of no return. In choosing the path of zero comprimise the choice is made to kill everything the darkness touches or has touched with no exceptions, at least that is where things will likely go if we continue on the path and unless Serifyn can pull out something bigger then mommy to get Ella even open to the thought I don't see anything to break her away from that path that will in turn make Ella into an even bigger monster then the ones she claims to hunt

Considering it is very likely that Zoey can not return to the green lair and the death of the black princess that Ella will probably take the blame for has well has them thinking she killed Zoey the tenticles might start hunting for blood since capturing her will loose it's worth against the resources they believe she will kill leading to a growing chance for a Ella death bad end at the smallest mistake depending on when Serifyn feels we crossed that line or if said mistake left you open

My choice was never to turn Elle into some rampaging berserker, my choice was to have Elle never submit no matter the cost.

I'm sorry if I misunderstood your intent but there is more then one way to follow a never submit route and following the last vote is the only way can see see her going until she is stopped, most likely by force

 

[TentanariX]

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People........ Its a game........

It's cool that people can get into it and invested in it, but like any cyoa it all comes down to rolling the dice. While I originally voted for B I changed it to C. To be honest I honestly saw Ella as the crusader paladin type of character. She was chosen by whatever diety gave us the hammer to vanquish the tentacles and rescue humanity. Serifyn could throw some npcs to make us sympathetic or possibly make us..... More receptive to tentacles, possibly. And let's not forget about Alumae. We have no idea what she might have in mind/store for Ella,tentacles and/or etc. I'm just along for the ride, I will vote how I feel makes the most sense or what sounds best to me; as everyone else will.

 

[4access69]

Re: TLE:A Discussion thread

In choosing the path of zero comprimise the choice is made to kill everything the darkness touches or has touched with no exceptions

Unfortunately that includes Ella since she has been touched (not just physically mind you).

 

[NekoTerra]

Re: TLE:A Discussion thread

Forced reflection time

Maybe Ella will see visions of the path she is taking, the fates of the women freed after she kills an overlord, reflect on the choices she has made and where they have gotten her, the choices and paths that she could of chosen and where they could of led. She could have visions of the other tenticle clans.

Considering the state of most women after being under an overlord for so long they are in a catatonic state or so mind warped that they look for another overlord to take them while the ones who lost their minds will probably die where they were or get taken from a raid from other tenticles

I for one kinda want to see her have nightmares of her transformed into a demon with nothing but death and destruction everywhere >

However since I'm sure she will see whatever the angels want her to see at this point and in the end the message is the same no matter what choice is made, just how the message is given and how strongly it effects Ella

 

[Dracador]

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Oh wow, everyone and their dogs are after our Ella. I wonder if we'll get the chance to make use of the ensuing firefight? I mean, I doubt she'll be going anywhere quickly given how keen several parties are to get ahold of her. The opportunities are endless...

If she does end up reflecting on the consequences of her actions on those around her I'm curious as to the effect it has. Maybe she just won't really care if it seems to do them harm ("it's in their best interests really") or maybe she'll have some second thoughts. She might even realise how much everybody seems to want her sword arm (for stabbifying the nasty demons, maybe?)

Oh, and I couldn't go without saying:
CUTE TENTACOO CREATURE IS SOOOOOO CUTE!! N'aww look at him learning his first words and... losing his innocence (such as it is) to someone hundreds of years older... yeah let's not delve into that too deeply. Serious MILF action, right there.

 

[Serifyn]

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Xozz and Alumae want Ella because she is the Champion of Angels, The tentacles want her as a trophy and she wants to kill all of them and free humanity.

Zoey's vision of how the world should be gets clearer, she wants to teach tentacles to be kinder and less sadistic and rapey, she wants humans to embrace the opportunity that tentacles bring to enhance themselves.

A gigantic demonic portal is opening up above the forsaken town of Barkholm, the epicenter for the tentacle apocalypse and it could be the end of all things human and tentacle. if something doesn't stop it.

 

[NekoTerra]

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I'm really not surprised one bit, I was actuly expecting it, things are going to hell at an increasing rate, everyone preparing to go to war with each other and Ella in the center being able to do little more then watch, guess we just have to see how things play out from here

Will Ella learn how to use her new powers?

Will she and the tenticles drop their hatred for each other and the other clans to deal with the much bigger problem?

How powerful is she when fully buffed?
Can she stand toe to toe with an upper level demon and/or a matriach?
Can one of the matriach stand directly against an upper level demon?

a few questions to think about, from my figuring that makes a total of four who could posibily fight on the level of upper demons while we have no idea of the battle skills of Laura and the white matriach while we could be expecting allot more then they could handle especily if they can't pratice any teamwork

Oh, and I couldn't go without saying:
CUTE TENTACOO CREATURE IS SOOOOOO CUTE!! N'aww look at him learning his first words and... losing his innocence (such as it is) to someone hundreds of years older... yeah let's not delve into that too deeply. Serious MILF action, right there.

you almost made me fall out of my chair

 

[Bloodshifter]

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Right that is sorta creepy never thought about that in the intermission

could it be that we avoid talking about that last thing I want is something that creepy while wanking.

btw maybe the blues might lend us a hand we did give birth to a overlord and we lost a chance to show ethan a better or alternate choice of feeding if one is possible...

 

[4access69]

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btw maybe the blues might lend us a hand we did give birth to a overlord

And tried to kill it in cold blood, remember?

and we lost a chance to show ethan a better or alternate choice of feeding if one is possible...

That was what I wanted and warned you about but the lynch mob mentality prevailed as usual.

 

[NekoTerra]

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Trying to kill our blue baby did really hurt our chances of finding a way to work with blue, but thanks to Zoey's actions there might still be hope there and maybe even a reunion with Ethan (assuming of course we're not all like OMG tenticle kill kill kill again)

but onto current events
I have to believe that black would be willing to pay the most for her since they seem to care the least about their slaves and they lost a princess to her with green being close behind with how mad their queen is

blue or at least Olivia seem to be aware of the coming storm has well has Alumae, but I don't think either of them will be willing to pay unless they have girls willing to give themselves up for the cause, leading me to think their offer will point out the demons and declare they need her to fight them

in any case, I wouldn't want to end up with black, purple, or green most of all at this point, with blue having the best odds, also still wondering if Olivia was trying to see if holy power could work with the tenticles by giving Ella Ethan

 

[ArchAngelGundam]

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I'm still trying to figure out why blue, and to a lesser extent pink, want Ella so much, and how blue will bid using women who are 'free.' Volunteers, maybe?

 

[NekoTerra]

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I'm still trying to figure out why blue, and to a lesser extent pink, want Ella so much, and how blue will bid using women who are 'free.' Volunteers, maybe?

if they are going to make bids that would be the only way

 

[MrMe]

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I agree with Censuur (maybe, skimmed most of the posts)

I lost interest once I realised the story was going to be less "choose the right option to defeat the tentacles or get raped"
but more "choose which variety of cumslut you want to be, just like every other female in this story line"


Tentacle Rape: Good
Tentacle Love: Dull

 

[NekoTerra]

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the Ella in the dream made even the princesses/queens look like weaklings

YAY, Kara returns, but she pulled a full 180 from our short time before, purple really did a number to her, or maybe she has her own reasons for giving in?

Olivia returns to intimidate Ella or could she intend to punish her and has i expected blue didn't make a bid, but still left seemingly happy about the result, could she be plotting something? guess i have to also wonder if Olivia was why April changed her mind about selling Ella

I was actuly going to ask if red's bid was all of their women but you already answered that, so kinda shocked that they would bid everything a sign of just how desperate red is to get her?

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I kinda want to hold Kara down and kill her overlord to free her and see what happens, would it return her to her old hate of tentacles, leave her completely broken, or something else entirely? but can't do that unless Ella had a reason to try and free her
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Sorry I can't really think of much to say this time, I feel like i was just tossing out random thoughts more this time, bring on more discussion, share thoughts, ideas. it is kinda lonely being the only one sharing thoughts here.

PS. bring on the chaos, can't wait to see what happens next >