Re: Trapped in the Underdark ~ Out of Character discussion
Sure.
But you can see now why I was confused and having Dasyra acting all urgent and concerned.
It creates cognitive dissonance with me if our policy now (because of meta reasons) is that it's okay to leave a woman behind, but later on it's not okay because we know meta wise that a captured friend is in great trouble.
We're handwaving this I know... I'm just jelly because Lena's getting all the rock hard action! Eager to get in there and if I lose, oh well!~
Re: Trapped in the Underdark ~ Out of Character discussion
lol, to be fair though, Lena's... not entirely liking the fun with the earth elemental girl, cos I'm assuming the dildo in her ass was not lubed much if at all.
Re: Trapped in the Underdark ~ Out of Character discussion
Well no, thats not Lorelai;s logic. Her logic is "Okay, we got schooled hard while we had Lena. We lost Lena. So we will get schooled harder. So I need spells to work on the enemy. So now I have em so let;s get in there and hopefully this works.
The lack of concern is not lack of concern, it;s simply, the logic of if we run in unable to win, we just share her fate. It;s why first responders assess the situation first. Running into things can make you a liability if you then have to be saved too.
So yeah. It;s pure pragmatism. If we can;t save her now, we come back when we can. Potentially, she can now.
Re: Trapped in the Underdark ~ Out of Character discussion
I'm not disagreeing with the pragmatism.
It's a little annoying to be a useless character first encounter, but eh, maybe things will get better. Was hoping some sort of stealth option would be available, so Dasyra could do her scouting thing.
Re: Trapped in the Underdark ~ Out of Character discussion
Tremorsense says no. You should invest in the feat that let's you avoid some supernatural senses with stealth. And as I mentioned previously it;s a problem of counters. You;re going to crush things without dr. Take the Clustered Shots feat, it'll let you get around your vulnerability to dr.
Basically DR trumps lots of attacks. Lots of attacks trumps lack of dr. Big heavy hits trumps dr, but does less than lots of little blows.
But yeah if we go anywhere without tremorsense and you have Favored Terrain underground you can get around easily. Rangers are the best stealth class, it;s jsut stealth counters are stuff like tremorsense. If you could fly, you could totally sneak around though.
Re: Trapped in the Underdark ~ Out of Character discussion
When Lena hits level... 10 I think, then she'll be able to enhance her wings to allow her to fly, and she has Favored Terrain: Underground already. I chose it with the justification that she went into caverns often while growing up, with her mentor, to mine for good iron, etc...
Tremorsense says no. You should invest in the feat that let's you avoid some supernatural senses with stealth. And as I mentioned previously it;s a problem of counters. You;re going to crush things without dr. Take the Clustered Shots feat, it'll let you get around your vulnerability to dr.
Basically DR trumps lots of attacks. Lots of attacks trumps lack of dr. Big heavy hits trumps dr, but does less than lots of little blows.
But yeah if we go anywhere without tremorsense and you have Favored Terrain underground you can get around easily. Rangers are the best stealth class, it;s jsut stealth counters are stuff like tremorsense. If you could fly, you could totally sneak around though.
Well, I didn't game the system and give her favored terrain underground, because the character is from the woods. If PF lets her pick an additional favored terrain at a higher level, she'll take underground.
Will try to take Clustered Shot feat, assuming I'm on the right track for it. I was just grabbing at bow feats, like Many shot and such.
Guess I'll take a closer look at rangers in the OGC.
Re: Trapped in the Underdark ~ Out of Character discussion
You do get more of them. I think the next is at 8.
Clustered Shots let's you count all your arrows damage toghether as one total before counting anything against it. This means you can circumvent dr easily, as well as hit mass damage if one uses those rules.
Dampen Presense helps you avoid some special senses, as does Conceal Scent but none of those help against tremorsense.
Re: Trapped in the Underdark ~ Out of Character discussion
Well flight is one of the most powerful defenses in the game, as well as problem solvers. Without it you;re stuck on the ground, either relying on arrows, which have hard counters, or running away. Not to mention circumvents gaps and heights and all sorts of problems.
Ultimately it's one of those game changer abilities where you either match it or lose. If you can;t fly after the dragon and it;s 200ft flight speed yooooou aren;t getting anything done.
Re: Trapped in the Underdark ~ Out of Character discussion
Which is why I'd prefer the narrative to solve the problem rather than an ability that not everyone can necessarily have. So if you're fighting a dragon, have an airship with ballistas.
ok, you got me, she had a DAI caused by a white matter lesion when her head snapped back as she ran into the earth elementals punch which triggered a short, light coma. Luckily her Aasimar physiology adapted and she will recuperate after a time period of hmnn lets say 8 hours of rest without any Wallerian degradation taking place.
Realistically I should also not survive falling 200 feet reliably but eventually this is also true.
Vesna Vulović (Serbian: Весна Вуловић; born ca. 1950 is a Serbian former flight attendant. She holds the distinction of being the world record holder, according to the Guinness Book of Records, for surviving the highest fall without a parachute: 10,160 metres (33,333 ft).
Just to make a point, she really nat 20'd htat one. I mean, I see you mean 'reliably' but to survive 200 ft you usually have some feats or skills or etc, so its not a normal case anymore anywhoo.
It creates cognitive dissonance with me if our policy now (because of meta reasons) is that it's okay to leave a woman behind, but later on it's not okay because we know meta wise that a captured friend is in great trouble.
It's a little annoying to be a useless character first encounter, but eh, maybe things will get better. Was hoping some sort of stealth option would be available, so Dasyra could do her scouting thing.
It is. You could have scouted, Tremorsense and darkvision are only 60 ft, if you find a way to beat that.. what I'm saying is, overcoming weaknesses is also part of a characters buildup.
Am I the only person who feels like flying heroes are meant to be a superhero game and not in fantasy... at least not all the time?
I concur. Dun worry, if you all wanna glide through the air I'ma find something to screw with you up there, literally.
Which is why I'd prefer the narrative to solve the problem rather than an ability that not everyone can necessarily have. So if you're fighting a dragon, have an airship with ballistas.
Frankly, I'm with slime. 'you face these enemies so get that ability' is just 'there is a lock, which key do I use' thinking.
now I dun want to hate on you or anything for enjoying yourself with the system Zilrax, but you propably want to ditch the powergaming and focus on creative sollutions a bit more in the long run, because.. thats what'll earn ya the big wins in my games. As hinted earlier, this first one was a test fight at CR 7, usually those screw folks over if you give them only a minor edge (like the terrain) but if any of you had downed it in two rounds with some powerbuilding mechanic I'd have adjusted the campaign (or the character if necessary) Accordingly. You can't tell these things just looking at stats, playstyles apply too, and you retreating to reasess was the most efficent way of dealing with the situation. But! Remember, its an erotic fun campaign, its not all about problem-sollution thinking.
In another campaign of mine I'm fond of using a set of demons, the Seven Sins and each of them has one unique ability that is designed to screw with players the more they try to game the system, until they actually stop and plan on their feet to deal with the character they face, which is made somewhat easy by knowing each sins motif going into things. For example, Pride, my second favourite of the lot, the incarnation of flamboyant overconfidence, she automatically rolls 1 higher than the players, winning initative, any struggles, automatically taking the highest AC and save available, etc, and the way to beat her is not come up with a demon banishing spell or brute-forcing it but
To intentionally fail a saving throw and botch their own fight, after which pride will be compelled to fail even harder, her .. pride making her one up the players even there.
Re: Trapped in the Underdark ~ Out of Character discussion
Anyone wanna run a 3.5 game anytime soon. I just invisioned this Master abjurer/Initiate of the Sevenfold Veil, would focus on various defense spells like walls and dismissal. They'll be like:
'I'm a great wizard. The best wizard. I will dismiss all the illegal summons and create a big wall, a strong wall.'
Re: Trapped in the Underdark ~ Out of Character discussion
Waiting on everyones battle actions. More importantly, as no one has stated it, unless I missed it, is there a light spell going on? Cause that makes you easy to spot, but not having it makes it harder to hit things with RTA's.
Re: Trapped in the Underdark ~ Out of Character discussion
Given it'd be literally impossible to get there without one for us, yes there is. Only two party members have darkvision. And easier to spots an understatement. In no light settings, a light source can be seen for several miles baring cover. It's one of the reasons scouting around isn't really an option for Dasyra at the moment.
Re: Trapped in the Underdark ~ Out of Character discussion
Lorelai would argue maybe she'd like to have kids at some point. Not to mention there's tons of undead complications. And that giant rock genderless humanoids will not care about what she's packing in her pants.
And she'd need baggier pants.
That said there is like 500 undead at this point, they're the most common monster type at this point, so what sorta undead we'd be is curious. Though given what we've seen, and the nature of scrolls which she must be using, or has a level 11 caster somewhere, it'd probably be ghouls. Though I guess Huecuva is possible on Lorelai but that would not go over well.
Re: Trapped in the Underdark ~ Out of Character discussion
Yeah if only I as DM could give her some really powerful like.. artifact level kinda sword that could turn players into anything from sexy ghost to hunky vampire.
Re: Trapped in the Underdark ~ Out of Character discussion
True, there certainly is that. Course choosing an undead that needs to feed in an undead fortress without living people probably isn't a good idea.
A ghoul type can just import meat but a vampire regularly needs living food and would need to stay within a certain distance of their coffin or risk death. And ghost would be awful for anyone who uses weapons primarily. Which is the entire party.
Ghouls probably the safest bet, though zombie lord or skeletal champion can work. Mummy is probably the highest strength safe option without hopping into variants like mummy lord or dread ghoul.
Eager to get in there and if I lose, oh well!~
