RPG RPG Maker NTR [やさぐれ喫煙所] クベルの首枷病 (The Curse of Kubel) (RJ255342)

[Keychase]

I suppose it depends on where you stand on a moral level. The end goal for all life is to reproduce however, or rather, to pass on your genes. In by allowing your rapist to plant his seed and perpetuate his line, you've done him the ultimate satisfaction regardless of his demise. When good man do nothing, evil prevails. Sometimes the hard choice is the right choice, even at the cost of dignity and forsaken lives.

Spoiler

The topic of abortion vs keeping the baby of a rapist is completely controversial but I believe that no one born evil. The mother in this case lost her memories of how the child was conceived and even though we completely acknowledge that it was an irredeemable act committed we can only assume that the mother going forward does not harbor negative thoughts about the origin of her child and will raise him/her as one of her own and along with the father pass on the same teachings their parents gave them that allowed them to grow into proper and responsible adults. Assuming the rapist dies at the end, wouldn't it be a slap in the face of their bloodline to stop the perpetuation of evil that way? If we accept that ending D is the best ending then we can only assume that the protagonists children could become as immoral as their parents

 

[Mikufanboy]

Spoiler

The topic of abortion vs keeping the baby of a rapist is completely controversial but I believe that no one born evil. The mother in this case lost her memories of how the child was conceived and even though we completely acknowledge that it was an irredeemable act committed we can only assume that the mother going forward does not harbor negative thoughts about the origin of her child and will raise him/her as one of her own and along with the father pass on the same teachings their parents gave them that allowed them to grow into proper and responsible adults. Assuming the rapist dies at the end, wouldn't it be a slap in the face of their bloodline to stop the perpetuation of evil that way? If we accept that ending D is the best ending then we can only assume that the protagonists children could become as immoral as their parents

Spoiler

Regardless of the fact that the baby has done nothing ill itself, it has already irreversibly damaged the lives of two people, the girl and the boyfriend. They will have to spend their time, money and energy each day to sustain a child ill conceived for the rest of their lives, hindering their plans for offspring of their own least they have wealthy lives to sustain a pack. Everything in this world has cause and effect, we consume precious resources everyday such as pure water and oxygen, various animals go extinct as others take their place, usually due to changes outside their control such as the environment or genocide. Suggesting that something as important as a baby is not responsible for his creation is correct, but no one gets to voice their opinion on that matter. Only through careful planning, education and resource management can we ensure our next of kin won't end up as some rapist dochebag, and having a kid at random in some of the most important years of your life is certainly not the way to go about it. But of course, modern times have certainly shown us what happens when you let live anything and everything hasn't it... But I digress, sacrifices must be made to better your life and the lives of your future offsprings, recklessness is not a virtue.

 

[Keychase]

Spoiler

Regardless of the fact that the baby has done nothing ill itself, it has already irreversibly damaged the lives of two people, the girl and the boyfriend. They will have to spend their time, money and energy each day to sustain a child ill conceived for the rest of their lives, hindering their plans for offspring of their own least they have wealthy lives to sustain a pack. Everything in this world has cause and effect, we consume precious resources everyday such as pure water and oxygen, various animals go extinct as others take their place, usually due to changes outside their control such as the environment or genocide. Suggesting that something as important as a baby is not responsible for his creation is correct, but no one gets to voice their opinion on that matter. Only through careful planning, education and resource management can we ensure our next of kin won't end up as some rapist dochebag, and having a kid at random in some of the most important years of your life is certainly not the way to go about it. But of course, modern times have certainly shown us what happens when you let live anything and everything hasn't it... But I digress, sacrifices must be made to better your life and the lives of your future offsprings, recklessness is not a virtue.

Spoiler

I recognize that keeping the child takes up resources that should be going towards their own child instead but it doesn't make ending D a better conclusion than ending A especially when it ruins the lives of two properly functioning people mentally or if otherwise. I know the setup of ending A is to fulfill the cuckold fantasy of a literal cuckoo pushing an egg out of the nest (because of the plot device where we had no choice on avoiding the rape and she lost her memories so an abortion couldn't be attempted if a method existed) but as you said both parents are financially very well off and could support more than one child. Who knows if this will negatively impact the lives of both the parents and the child but people who have siblings do turn out just fine and definitely fare better than people who are adopted. At the end of the day it's a discussion of choice and what ifs. The situation of rape was for better or worse ironically forced on both the player and protagonist. Whether it was intended to illustrate the nature of rape itself (probably not, it's a porn game) we ultimately have to live with the outcome regardless if we had a choice in the matter or not. I don't want to say something so cheap and insensitive as "when life gives you lemons.." on the topic of rape and the aftermath but when the story leaves you with a memory wipe (despite how much of a simple plot device that is but it sure beats years of mental instability and therapy) and justice carried out to the perpetrator, I can't ask for better ending with what the start of the game gave us.

Sorry for the long winded discussion but I'll leave it at that.

 

[Mikufanboy]

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I recognize that keeping the child takes up resources that should be going towards their own child instead but it doesn't make ending D a better conclusion than ending A especially when it ruins the lives of two properly functioning people mentally or if otherwise. I know the setup of ending A is to fulfill the cuckold fantasy of a literal cuckoo pushing an egg out of the nest (because of the plot device where we had no choice on avoiding the rape and she lost her memories so an abortion couldn't be attempted if a method existed) but as you said both parents are financially very well off and could support more than one child. Who knows if this will negatively impact the lives of both the parents and the child but people who have siblings do turn out just fine and definitely fare better than people who are adopted. At the end of the day it's a discussion of choice and what ifs. The situation of rape was for better or worse ironically forced on both the player and protagonist. Whether it was intended to illustrate the nature of rape itself (probably not, it's a porn game) we ultimately have to live with the outcome regardless if we had a choice in the matter or not. I don't want to say something so cheap and insensitive as "when life gives you lemons.." on the topic of rape and the aftermath but when the story leaves you with a memory wipe (despite how much of a simple plot device that is but it sure beats years of mental instability and therapy) and justice carried out to the perpetrator, I can't ask for better ending with what the start of the game gave us.

Sorry for the long winded discussion but I'll leave it at that.

Spoiler

If anything Ending D is perfect for the situation given the rapist is actually somewhat serious about the girl and is relatively wealthy. She could actually raise the child to be better then the rapist father's current morals (Assuming she doesn't become some broken doll of a mom hentai often like to do). The Male protagonist is a good guy, and despite this terrible thing, heartbroken affairs are a common thing in love lives, he can move on and find another good girl. Ending A is indeed the true NTR ending to the story given everyone wins, but everyone also loses, whereas in Ending D, everyone but the rapist loses, and the other two can eventually win a greater life then the mistaken life of Ending A, aside from the sentimental value lost. There's plenty of fish in the ocean as they say.

No worries, it was still semi relevant to the game anyway.

 

[Keychase]

Thanks for entertaining my thoughts, I continue to have my own opinion on the matter but I appreciate the different perspective.

Spoiler

That being said, I do not believe in the victim marrying their rapists and their actions come without consequence.

 

[Mikufanboy]

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Both endings come with consequence, Ending A sacrifices stability and integrity in favor of emotional bondage and outrage, where as Ending D sacrifices sentimental values and a relationship in favor of stability and 'reconciliation' with benefits. One is more emotional, the other is more logical, and if NTR has taught you anything with this game, it's that the feels are where you really get that NTR spill.

To each their own as they say.

 

[super_slicer]

Uhhhh, are we really examining an NTR game from a non-NTR perspective?

If so, killing the rapist and it's spawn is the obviously correct choice. If you feel bad about it later just get a 'memory loss' like your waifu did.

lol after reading the op, now I'm wondering what the BS NTR reason is that she can't just do you instead of the NTRist.

 

[Mikufanboy]

Yeah, I'd agree with that too, the simple solution is often best. And we don't even have the convenience of a memory wipe tool side from Amnesia which isn't perfect. Wouldn't hit the feels though as much as it would be another case of daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn moments in gaming.

 

[Kuro]

Just my preference, I kinda like these games when they have the option for both actually. I like to think that there's still an option for at least a somewhat "good" ending in another playthrough.

 

[Mikufanboy]

Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil. It really depends on how sadistic the developer is.

 

[hybras]

Sorry to ask, but does anyone have a full save... For the Steam version. A near full save would also work.

The original japanese saves corrupts/crashes on load.

Thanks.

 

[Term444]

I get preferences and all, but for me personally it doesnt really matter how the story ends. Its fictional. So yeah. Its like, whatever. Im not reading this to get back at the bad guy. And its not like this is a high level anime Im getting invested in. I like the characters, and I like the world building surprisingly enough. But aside from that, what does it matter.

 

[super_slicer]

If you believe that we're wasting time on something that doesn't matter, why are you posting your non-opinion? It's just as much a waste of time and energy as us posting opinions on fiction, maybe even moreso. Furthermore, you're not going to convince someone of your belief without an argument to back it up.

 

[Dante87]

anyone knows whats the latest update is im on verson 1.03

 

[Mikufanboy]

If the Japanese version doesn't have any content updates, then the English updates are always going to be bug fixes (Or added censorship in some cases with steam).

 

[TheUnsaid]

Spoiler

Regardless of the fact that the baby has done nothing ill itself, it has already irreversibly damaged the lives of two people, the girl and the boyfriend. They will have to spend their time, money and energy each day to sustain a child ill conceived for the rest of their lives, hindering their plans for offspring of their own least they have wealthy lives to sustain a pack. Everything in this world has cause and effect, we consume precious resources everyday such as pure water and oxygen, various animals go extinct as others take their place, usually due to changes outside their control such as the environment or genocide. Suggesting that something as important as a baby is not responsible for his creation is correct, but no one gets to voice their opinion on that matter. Only through careful planning, education and resource management can we ensure our next of kin won't end up as some rapist dochebag, and having a kid at random in some of the most important years of your life is certainly not the way to go about it. But of course, modern times have certainly shown us what happens when you let live anything and everything hasn't it... But I digress, sacrifices must be made to better your life and the lives of your future offsprings, recklessness is not a virtue.

I'mma be honest. I'm just browsing through the forum. Would normally never click on a thread like this but I was bored and checked out everything on page 1, but damn that's a pretty nuanced take. Really surprising that you think the super slut end where she winds up with the rapist is the best ending.

It's a surprise to me you're the thread starter since it seems the ramifications of the sexual content don't sit right with you?

I'm also curious now, can you give a spoiler summary of what happens in the other endings?

 

[Mikufanboy]

I'mma be honest. I'm just browsing through the forum. Would normally never click on a thread like this but I was bored and checked out everything on page 1, but damn that's a pretty nuanced take. Really surprising that you think the super slut end where she winds up with the rapist is the best ending.

It's a surprise to me you're the thread starter since it seems the ramifications of the sexual content don't sit right with you?

I'm also curious now, can you give a spoiler summary of what happens in the other endings?

I don't normally enjoy the idea of a girl falling into depravity so much that they seemingly become no longer human and just a willing sex object, it feels like lazy writing. But I've never experienced such an affair so who knows if these types of things actually do happen. It's fine to love sex and nymphomania does exist after all.

As for why I said the full depravity ending being better then the other endings, I only say it's the best ending you can hope to get in a title that's focused on NTR drama, at least in a logical sense. You could always play the game and see for yourself why, and of course make your own conclusions, but since you asked for spoilers on the endings well:

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In Ending A she ends up carrying the rapist's child, and even though the rapist got his just deserts, she ends up taking care of his child anyway with her boyfriend in some remote area where they have to fend for themselves. As I've talked about before, this hurts their prospects in life for the rest of their lives, especially when the alternative is for her to stay with the rapist who's rich, holds political power and is somewhat serious about her. Even if the father is a bad example of fatherhood, sometimes a bad example is a good life teacher on how to not to do things for the young, playing with fire and all that (Even though the rapist's tactics clearly shows merit here). Ending B and C are virtually the same, just with different degrees on how honest she is about succumbing to lust and becoming the slut she clearly was meant to be given the magic that forced her to have sex with him no longer applied to her anymore yet she still came back just to fuck. A traitorous wench, the boyfriend is screwed here behind his back, and considering how much he sacrificed for her, he shouldn't be with such a disloyal women (it would been a different story if these things ended polygamy like I suppose). Ending D is the ending where everyone can have a better life, at the expense of emotional trauma. A sacrifice that's for the best if we're talking about for the people involved given they're already adults and can (should) be able to handle this stuff, and for their dependents to have a better livelihood. There's more fish in the sea, despite how sexy Magnet is.

 

[TheUnsaid]

I don't normally enjoy the idea of a girl falling into depravity so much that they seemingly become no longer human and just a willing sex object, it feels like lazy writing. But I've never experienced such an affair so who knows if these types of things actually do happen. It's fine to love sex and nymphomania does exist after all.

As for why I said the full depravity ending being better then the other endings, I only say it's the best ending you can hope to get in a title that's focused on NTR drama, at least in a logical sense. You could always play the game and see for yourself why, and of course make your own conclusions, but since you asked for spoilers on the endings well:

Spoiler

In Ending A she ends up carrying the rapist's child, and even though the rapist got his just deserts, she ends up taking care of his child anyway with her boyfriend in some remote area where they have to fend for themselves. As I've talked about before, this hurts their prospects in life for the rest of their lives, especially when the alternative is for her to stay with the rapist who's rich, holds political power and is somewhat serious about her. Even if the father is a bad example of fatherhood, sometimes a bad example is a good life teacher on how to not to do things for the young, playing with fire and all that (Even though the rapist's tactics clearly shows merit here). Ending B and C are virtually the same, just with different degrees on how honest she is about succumbing to lust and becoming the slut she clearly was meant to be given the magic that forced her to have sex with him no longer applied to her anymore yet she still came back just to fuck. A traitorous wench, the boyfriend is screwed here behind his back, and considering how much he sacrificed for her, he shouldn't be with such a disloyal women (it would been a different story if these things ended polygamy like I suppose). Ending D is the ending where everyone can have a better life, at the expense of emotional trauma. A sacrifice that's for the best if we're talking about for the people involved given they're already adults and can (should) be able to handle this stuff, and for their dependents to have a better livelihood. There's more fish in the sea, despite how sexy Magnet is.

Hmmm... yeah. Seems like all the endings are garbage.

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I think if you're thinking about the story from the male love interest's perspective ending D is by far the best thing for him. Unloyal girl gets out of his life through no fault of his own and he gets to move on. Gotta sting though. The time investment he put into the relationship to the point where they're about to be married up in a smoke. Not only that but the rapist monkey pretty much gets whatever he wants. Well best point of satisfaction is that the heroine's not gonna have a happy future at least. Rapist is a garbage human.

Ending A, I agree is definitely worse for the male love interest. He puts in a lot of effort to make his romantic life come to fruition but his child's not his and he has to live with the fact that his girl wasn't faithful to him. Looking at the child will forever be a reminder of that as well. Instead of ending D, where it's just one painful cut and it's done, in Ending A, he's gotta live through the pain for the rest of his life. Since the story's told through the heroine's perspective though, Ending D would probably feel the worse while playing the game.

B,C are nonstarters then. I don't see your point about polygamy personally. The good polygamous relationships I've seen show everyone in the relationship liking each other.

I also don't see what you mean about the rapist being serious about the heroine since he tested his magic on some random bar lady. Dude's clearly not going to treat her right.

Guh, I feel like shit just talking about the game. Haven't even played it XD.
Appreciate the discussion tho. L8r.

 

[Mikufanboy]

You should probably put spoilers to the talks about Endings. And what I meant was if the relationship was open or if they agreed to polygamy then NTR wouldn't really apply to the game anymore since their love is not bound by the prospects of the individual anymore.

 

[Kuro]

anyone knows whats the latest update is im on verson 1.03

If KG's translated version then in their Discord they mentioned this week should be the final patch for fixes. I think that would be V5.