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Re: Curse of Craclevania 2, WHAT?! A decent game from toonpimp?!
This thread needs to burn.
This thread needs to burn.
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Re: Curse of Craclevania 2, WHAT?! A decent game from toonpimp?!
I understand your point, still was there a need to define toonpimp as a "slave" or saying he should learn from toffi?
If you didn't make that stupid example, which caused negative reactions, i wouldn't have had anything to say to you, because it's up to you which one you like better, but it's really bad form to insult someone behind his back where he can't defend himself, that's what got me angry(since the beginning of the thread ).
The way you put it we shouldn't even argue about anything because it's all about tastes, but if you think that way than the whole purpose of a forum is destroyed:
SmurfA says: I like this!
SmurfB says: I like that!
End of discussion.
You should agree this is kind of painful to look at. Neither of them gets to learn a thing from the other, neither of them grows or widens his point of view. In the world of subjective views, everyone is a closed system, no exchange, no growth, you need a common ground to be able to communicate, and you need to communicate to be able to grow, if you only care about what you like, you'll never evolve, you'll never discover something about yourself that you might not have noticed. If you never enter a bookstore cause you don't like books, you might never meet that person who would completely change your life, and you'll never know how happy you could have been.
If you really think there is nothing objective to talk about in games then i guess a lot of people have been making money out of thin air.
Heh, no matter what you do or say, someone will always be pissed off at you.
I understand your point, still was there a need to define toonpimp as a "slave" or saying he should learn from toffi?
If you didn't make that stupid example, which caused negative reactions, i wouldn't have had anything to say to you, because it's up to you which one you like better, but it's really bad form to insult someone behind his back where he can't defend himself, that's what got me angry(since the beginning of the thread
).No one needs an objective reason to "like" something, but when you share your opinion, giving objective reasons makes it more acceptable for those who disagree, you can say "i like this more than that" and no one argues, but when you say "this is better than that" it's another story, it stops being what you like or dislike, it becomes what you think is better and obviously there will be people who disagree and want to prove you wrong, but they can't, because you didn't say anything to justify your opinion, all you said is "this is better because i like it more", and the most common response to that is "who the fuck made you judge?", communication is about compromises, if you don't care about lowering yourself to someone else's level, you can't really expect that someone to care enough to rise to yours. Now, i waste a lot of energy going up and down the stairs all the time, so it kinda piss me off when i'm the only one trying to be fair.
The way you put it we shouldn't even argue about anything because it's all about tastes, but if you think that way than the whole purpose of a forum is destroyed:
SmurfA says: I like this!
SmurfB says: I like that!
End of discussion.
You should agree this is kind of painful to look at. Neither of them gets to learn a thing from the other, neither of them grows or widens his point of view. In the world of subjective views, everyone is a closed system, no exchange, no growth, you need a common ground to be able to communicate, and you need to communicate to be able to grow, if you only care about what you like, you'll never evolve, you'll never discover something about yourself that you might not have noticed. If you never enter a bookstore cause you don't like books, you might never meet that person who would completely change your life, and you'll never know how happy you could have been.
If you really think there is nothing objective to talk about in games then i guess a lot of people have been making money out of thin air.
Yeah, well, i emptied some fuel tanks on it, but i'm out of matches, you got any?
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Re: Curse of Craclevania 2, WHAT?! A decent game from toonpimp?!
Check it out, I found a picture of TP
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Re: Curse of Craclevania 2, WHAT?! A decent game from toonpimp?!
And we're the immature ones...Check it out, I found a picture of TP
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Re: Curse of Craclevania 2, WHAT?! A decent game from toonpimp?!
I was using a flaming metaphor.
I was using a flaming metaphor.
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Re: Curse of Craclevania 2, WHAT?! A decent game from toonpimp?!
So just this: I can understand your reasoning and I accept it. It's just not the way I see it in this case.
You are repeating yourself, we're running in circles.No one needs an objective reason to "like" something, but when you share your opinion, giving objective reasons makes it more acceptable for those who disagree, you can say "i like this more than that" and no one argues, but when you say "this is better than that" it's another story, it stops being what you like or dislike, it becomes what you think is better and obviously there will be people who disagree and want to prove you wrong, but they can't, because you didn't say anything to justify your opinion, all you said is "this is better because i like it more", and the most common response to that is "who the fuck made you judge?", communication is about compromises, if you don't care about lowering yourself to someone else's level, you can't really expect that someone to care enough to rise to yours. Now, i waste a lot of energy going up and down the stairs all the time, so it kinda piss me off when i'm the only one trying to be fair.
The way you put it we shouldn't even argue about anything because it's all about tastes, but if you think that way than the whole purpose of a forum is destroyed:
SmurfA says: I like this!
SmurfB says: I like that!
End of discussion.
You should agree this is kind of painful to look at. Neither of them gets to learn a thing from the other, neither of them grows or widens his point of view. In the world of subjective views, everyone is a closed system, no exchange, no growth, you need a common ground to be able to communicate, and you need to communicate to be able to grow, if you only care about what you like, you'll never evolve, you'll never discover something about yourself that you might not have noticed. If you never enter a bookstore cause you don't like books, you might never meet that person who would completely change your life, and you'll never know how happy you could have been.
If you really think there is nothing objective to talk about in games then i guess a lot of people have been making money out of thin air.
So just this: I can understand your reasoning and I accept it. It's just not the way I see it in this case.
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Re: Curse of Craclevania 2, WHAT?! A decent game from toonpimp?!
It's not a remake, it's a reboot!!!
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Re: Curse of Craclevania 2, WHAT?! A decent game from toonpimp?!
There's no need to focus on our divisions, fuck knows there's enough of them in the world.
For the record, I generally enjoy TP's games, and think he has some games that show a promising starting point, but he's not learned and developed much since then. It's not surprising, because he works not out of love but out of (weak) obligation. Art is an expression of the soul, and if there's no emotion going into the work then the work will seem, as TP's does, to be trashy.
(And, yes, I consider H-games art. Sue me.)
I have far more respect for Toffi. His games have problems, yeah, but you can see marks of improvement all the time. He's showing some real creativity, and, more than that, there's the sense that he's enjoying what he does. Drawing etc skill might not be there, but it doesn't have to be - the 3d sprites animate well enough for my suspension of disbelief to kick in.
A lot of people here are going to disagree with me. I'd be concerned if that wasn't the case, frankly.
I forgot where I was going with this, but I think what I was trying to say is stop flamin', yo.
There's no need to focus on our divisions, fuck knows there's enough of them in the world.
For the record, I generally enjoy TP's games, and think he has some games that show a promising starting point, but he's not learned and developed much since then. It's not surprising, because he works not out of love but out of (weak) obligation. Art is an expression of the soul, and if there's no emotion going into the work then the work will seem, as TP's does, to be trashy.
(And, yes, I consider H-games art. Sue me.)
I have far more respect for Toffi. His games have problems, yeah, but you can see marks of improvement all the time. He's showing some real creativity, and, more than that, there's the sense that he's enjoying what he does. Drawing etc skill might not be there, but it doesn't have to be - the 3d sprites animate well enough for my suspension of disbelief to kick in.
A lot of people here are going to disagree with me. I'd be concerned if that wasn't the case, frankly.
I forgot where I was going with this, but I think what I was trying to say is stop flamin', yo.
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Re: Curse of Craclevania 2, WHAT?! A decent game from toonpimp?!
No.
No.
Re: Curse of Craclevania 2, WHAT?! A decent game from toonpimp?!
Damn.
'Cause this is getting ridiculous... There isn't really anything that's been said that wasn't said on the first 2-3 pages, the rest is just other formulations and nitpicking...
TP's game's are decent, they could be better. He's an ass to his fans. Finished.
Damn.
'Cause this is getting ridiculous... There isn't really anything that's been said that wasn't said on the first 2-3 pages, the rest is just other formulations and nitpicking...
TP's game's are decent, they could be better. He's an ass to his fans. Finished.
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Re: Curse of Craclevania 2, WHAT?! A decent game from toonpimp?!
You're so behind, the discussion has gone light years since we were talking about toonpimp's games...
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Re: Curse of Craclevania 2, WHAT?! A decent game from toonpimp?!
Okay, from semi-lurking/posting in the hentai section I've come to one thing about JohnDoe;
Obvious troll is obvious.
Seriously people, are you all so retarded that you feel the need to feed him whenever he posts his walls of text? And those emotes at the end of some sentences aren't fooling me, they make you look like a fucking child. Emotes are supposed to be used sparingly.
Anyway, on to the whole 'Toffi vs Toompimp' thing. I'm not a follower of either but from what I understand even if Toonpimp shows promise and has 'unique' idea's he's a worthless sack of shit who brings shame to 'indie' hentai developers everywhere. You shouldn't be asking (edit: demanding) donations so you can continue your product, you should make it because YOU WANT TO. The ONLY time you should ask for money is when you are commissioned to make something. And then you should FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THE COMMISSION. Toffi on the other hand has shown that he can make decent games without buttfucking his fans. It doesn't matter whether his stuff is 'unique' or what not, he's made some good stuff and doesn't demand anything back so you shouldn't hate on him. Hell, you should be respecting him because he delivers a finished product.
@Toffi: Dont expect to get too much sense out of JohnDoe, he likes to repeat himself to stretch out arguments in an attempt to make himself sound smarter and to wear his opponent out. Kind of like a politician really. Though he isn't actually smart.
Okay, from semi-lurking/posting in the hentai section I've come to one thing about JohnDoe;
Obvious troll is obvious.
Seriously people, are you all so retarded that you feel the need to feed him whenever he posts his walls of text? And those emotes at the end of some sentences aren't fooling me, they make you look like a fucking child. Emotes are supposed to be used sparingly.
Anyway, on to the whole 'Toffi vs Toompimp' thing. I'm not a follower of either but from what I understand even if Toonpimp shows promise and has 'unique' idea's he's a worthless sack of shit who brings shame to 'indie' hentai developers everywhere. You shouldn't be asking (edit: demanding) donations so you can continue your product, you should make it because YOU WANT TO. The ONLY time you should ask for money is when you are commissioned to make something. And then you should FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THE COMMISSION. Toffi on the other hand has shown that he can make decent games without buttfucking his fans. It doesn't matter whether his stuff is 'unique' or what not, he's made some good stuff and doesn't demand anything back so you shouldn't hate on him. Hell, you should be respecting him because he delivers a finished product.
@Toffi: Dont expect to get too much sense out of JohnDoe, he likes to repeat himself to stretch out arguments in an attempt to make himself sound smarter and to wear his opponent out. Kind of like a politician really. Though he isn't actually smart.
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Re: Curse of Craclevania 2, WHAT?! A decent game from toonpimp?!
*It was then that Lila has seen Oni again. She rushes up and jumps onto his midsection with her small height. Such a jump is compelled by the love of his post, and how win he so is. She snuggles her hero like a cat, purring softly.*
*It was then that Lila has seen Oni again. She rushes up and jumps onto his midsection with her small height. Such a jump is compelled by the love of his post, and how win he so is. She snuggles her hero like a cat, purring softly.*
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Re: Curse of Craclevania 2, WHAT?! A decent game from toonpimp?!
I agree, it's pretty obvious you're a troll, but don't worry, i forgive you.
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Re: Curse of Craclevania 2, WHAT?! A decent game from toonpimp?!
I notice how you didn't try to disprove everything else I said. And yes, I am a part-time troll and that's why it's so easy to see you for what you really are. But, in this instance I'm not trolling.
I notice how you didn't try to disprove everything else I said. And yes, I am a part-time troll and that's why it's so easy to see you for what you really are. But, in this instance I'm not trolling.
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Re: Curse of Craclevania 2, WHAT?! A decent game from toonpimp?!
Besides, your rather offensive post makes me intend that you plan to enrage me and start a flame war, considering the fact that you are insulting a lot of people by calling them retarded for answering me, while you are yourself doing the same thing(and so calling yourself retarded ), and the fact that you are throwing coal on a discussion that is dying down, you are either not smart enough to understand your contradiction or you do it on purpose, which becomes trolling. I opted for the trolling, but you seem to think it's the other way around...
Well, i guessed that since you seem to think that defining me as a troll makes what i say worthless, than you would have understood the irony of my comment, but maybe i overestimated you.
Besides, your rather offensive post makes me intend that you plan to enrage me and start a flame war, considering the fact that you are insulting a lot of people by calling them retarded for answering me, while you are yourself doing the same thing(and so calling yourself retarded
), and the fact that you are throwing coal on a discussion that is dying down, you are either not smart enough to understand your contradiction or you do it on purpose, which becomes trolling. I opted for the trolling, but you seem to think it's the other way around...
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Re: Curse of Craclevania 2, WHAT?! A decent game from toonpimp?!
Oh I never said what you said was worthless because you're a troll, I'm calling you it because from what I've seen from your constant arguing with other members by reusing the same point over and over again without putting forth valid reasons for them it makes you look like a troll.
And I'm not trying to start a flame war, like I said, your needless arguments using the same points is akin to a troll and that those who respond to you are idiots for doing so because they're only giving you fuel to continue trolling. I'm not, well initially I wasn't, responding to you. I was merely addressing the thread posters at large. The discussion doesn't seem to be going down as your previous posts before mine seemed to be you antagonising Toffi.
Anyway, believe what you want. People like you, as well as the mass-posting bots are the reason I generally stay away from posting in this section of the forum and opt to instead just browse for any good looking hentai. My only hope is that people ignore your trolling attempts from now on. Anyway, thats me through with this, I've said what I wanted to say.
Oh I never said what you said was worthless because you're a troll, I'm calling you it because from what I've seen from your constant arguing with other members by reusing the same point over and over again without putting forth valid reasons for them it makes you look like a troll.
And I'm not trying to start a flame war, like I said, your needless arguments using the same points is akin to a troll and that those who respond to you are idiots for doing so because they're only giving you fuel to continue trolling. I'm not, well initially I wasn't, responding to you. I was merely addressing the thread posters at large. The discussion doesn't seem to be going down as your previous posts before mine seemed to be you antagonising Toffi.
Anyway, believe what you want. People like you, as well as the mass-posting bots are the reason I generally stay away from posting in this section of the forum and opt to instead just browse for any good looking hentai. My only hope is that people ignore your trolling attempts from now on. Anyway, thats me through with this, I've said what I wanted to say.