ACT [ Maken Ansala ] さきゅばすの日記 / Succubus Affection

[skite0]

I will say this. The amount of work they've done developing the game engine and mechanics can be seen. It's of much higher quality then I expected, and leaves me exited for the final product.

Unfortunately, what they are releasing to the public IMO is not a game. It is a proof of concept, a look at the features and how they work, but absent of any real game play or game.

What we have now is like a chessboard without the pieces. The foundations for a great game is their, but their's nothing really beyond that.

 

[Nephys]

I don't think that they shouldn't charge for the demo, after all if you're an idie game developer you first need to make some money and then use it to get some help to work on your game. To be fair, I've seen much worse looking, and boring porn games getting much more attention and money on patreon, while still getting some relevant and regular updates due to the amount of people working on it and for the way they're promotted as well. SA, in the other hand, is an almost unknow game which have only two people making it (1 if you consider that zell Isn't working on that game at all). If it where to be better promoted maybe it could get more people interested on it to pay for the demo, then the developers could earn enough money to actually pay more people to work on their game. And let's be real, an easy way to promote your own game is allowing some form of communism.

Also, if you like communism you might find something on s.nyaa for you

 

[Hentaispider]

I don't think that they shouldn't charge for the demo, after all if you're an idie game developer you first need to make some money and then use it to get some help to work on your game. To be fair, I've seen much worse looking, and boring porn games getting much more attention and money on patreon, while still getting some relevant and regular updates due to the amount of people working on it and for the way they're promotted as well. SA, in the other hand, is an almost unknow game which have only two people making it (1 if you consider that zell Isn't working on that game at all). If it where to be better promoted maybe it could get more people interested on it to pay for the demo, then the developers could earn enough money to actually pay more people to work on their game. And let's be real, an easy way to promote your own game is allowing some form of communism.

Also, if you like communism you might find something on s.nyaa for you

The entire point of a demo is to DEMONSTRATE that you have(or will have) a product worth paying money for. If you charge people for a demo, you're doing it wrong.

 

[IAmAKi]

First thing to say about the new update is that the menu doesn't show up, neither does the pause screen or abilities.

Changing controls is impossible due to this, and since I have no right ctrl key on my keyboard I can't even leave the house....

 

[nossiob]

i remember early 2000s where you bought a PC magazine with a CD or DVD in it that had plenty of demos on it and sometimes even an entire free game to install...good old days realy
now its all about early access and pay to beta test...sad gaming world
i can understand those beta's where only a few choosen people get access to but not behind a paywall

i think im thinking to old school about it but who am i

 

[victor4536]

Can someone send the demo?

 

[Inspector_Whatsup]

Can someone send the demo?

https://ulmf.org/threads/read-before-posting.12169/

It's under Part 6. You're welcome.

 

[victor4536]

https://ulmf.org/threads/read-before-posting.12169/

It's under Part 6. You're welcome.

Sorry, I'm new to the forum.

 

[nossiob]

if you are new, that means you have read the rules, so you should've known that

 

[Deleted member 80122]

I don't like Zell any more they have become way too paranoid and greedy due to the fact they want your money FOR YOU to play the fucking demo A golden rule when it comes to demos it's a demo it should be free it should show you how the game actually works before you buy it If a Dev of a game doesn't allow you to play a demo without playing it's not worth supporting the Dev at all I don't care what any one else says Zell has lost it and gone out of control they were so nice to spend demos and such before and now they want money for a not a fully completed game that's isn't fair at all

If someone were actaully sensiable and not stupid they would do it in the right mind not to support this dev by giving them money that will only encourge that behavior further and we don't want that do we?

 

[HentaiProdigy]

I thought Zell just produced art and animations for this game, and otherwise didn't have much to do with it? Meaning that decisions such as hiding the demo behind a paywall is and was up to Ansala, not Zell. Pretty sure someone said something like that in here not long ago. And considering FOBS, I heavily doubt it was a Zell decision.

 

[Inspector_Whatsup]

I thought Zell just produced art and animations for this game, and otherwise didn't have much to do with it? Meaning that decisions such as hiding the demo behind a paywall is and was up to Ansala, not Zell. Pretty sure someone said something like that in here not long ago. And considering FOBS, I heavily doubt it was a Zell decision.

That's how I understand it as well. Zell himself makes FOBS, which has no paywalls whatsoever, but Succubus Affection is made with him as the artist, not the programmer, which is Ansala. Hell, the game demo is distributed on Ansala's ci-en, not Zell's.
He has his own ci-en (or Fantia, I don't remember right now), and while he did wall off the first tech demo of his new horror game there, it's only a single animation from what I hear, so it's basically like early access to some animation right now. There's no telling how he's going to distribute that game in the future, so judgment should be reserved for now.

 

[Aesthetic]

Ansala's not that good of a designer anyways.

Not saying this because of the paywall. I really mean it. His game has a million buttons, he added RPG mechanics and it's just a mess. I personally think Zell's art is wasted on that game. Ansala has good general programming knowledge though. Like... for real the game looks semi professional.

 

[ThatWeirdGuyWithaWeirdHat]

I don't like Zell any more they have become way too paranoid and greedy due to the fact they want your money FOR YOU to play the fucking demo A golden rule when it comes to demos it's a demo it should be free it should show you how the game actually works before you buy it If a Dev of a game doesn't allow you to play a demo without playing it's not worth supporting the Dev at all I don't care what any one else says Zell has lost it and gone out of control they were so nice to spend demos and such before and now they want money for a not a fully completed game that's isn't fair at all

If someone were actaully sensiable and not stupid they would do it in the right mind not to support this dev by giving them money that will only encourge that behavior further and we don't want that do we?

Only it's not Zell23 asking for money, Maken Ansala is. You've got it wrong from the start, making everything you say pointless except for demos being free. Do you REALLY think Zell would go from free-to-play FOBS to full on Malise and the Machine style marketing in just under a year? Not only that, but to keep making FOBS for free?! Get real...

 

[IAmAKi]

I have to agree about Ansala's general incompetence. They added so many useless individual buttons when they could easily combine button inputs based on varied states.
Like, you know, being able to press up to enter doors rather than fuckin' right ctrl. My damn laptop doesn't even have that, so I have to change the controls in the totally untranslated menu. Fun!

Not to mention their last demo seemed to, I don't know. Have a broken unseeable menu? The control changes didn't show up, so I had to open an older version and figure out how many times I needed to move down to find the input I needed to change, while also being on here using an image that translated the moonrune controls. Nice.

Hell, what else grinds my gears about this guy. They're so damn slow with updates and make very small progress after months, or at least progress we're able to play with.
And then they make us pay for their poorly made demo. I honestly feel like they've just used Zell's art to try and squeeze money out of people, simultaneously resulting in directing some of the hate towards him (demonstrated above, thank you very much kind volunteer).

So quite frankly from the bottom of my heart, fuck this incompetent, greedy, money grabbing dev taking advantage of someone a hundred times better than he would ever be.

 

[Aesthetic]

I have to agree about Ansala's general incompetence. They added so many useless individual buttons when they could easily combine button inputs based on varied states.
Like, you know, being able to press up to enter doors rather than fuckin' right ctrl. My damn laptop doesn't even have that, so I have to change the controls in the totally untranslated menu. Fun!

Not to mention their last demo seemed to, I don't know. Have a broken unseeable menu? The control changes didn't show up, so I had to open an older version and figure out how many times I needed to move down to find the input I needed to change, while also being on here using an image that translated the moonrune controls. Nice.

Hell, what else grinds my gears about this guy. They're so damn slow with updates and make very small progress after months, or at least progress we're able to play with.
And then they make us pay for their poorly made demo. I honestly feel like they've just used Zell's art to try and squeeze money out of people, simultaneously resulting in directing some of the hate towards him (demonstrated above, thank you very much kind volunteer).

So quite frankly from the bottom of my heart, fuck this incompetent, greedy, money grabbing dev taking advantage of someone a hundred times better than he would ever be.

I think he's incompetent but I wouldn't say he's greedy.

Zell's working on 3 different projects right now. I wouldn't be surprised if Zell doesn't have the time to be working with Ansala. Also it's Japan. 70 hour workweeks are the norm, and Ansala seems like a semi-professional programmer at the very least (meaning he def has a regular job.) I don't think he's greedily eating up people's money, especially since he doesn't release small updates that make people curious and download new copies every once in a while. Seems like he wants to reach certain milestones before he releases which is always a good sign of a non-greedy person.

I just don't agree with his values or design sense.

He values stats too high. He values action combat too high. He values the hero having a ton of actions at his disposal too high.

Honestly... I wouldn't be surprised if he and Zell had a general falling out and Zell slowed down on the production of Ansala's assets because of it. From a design perspective they're very different in what they value. I STILL think Zell could do better though.

Here's an analysis post I wrote about FOBS, with ideas that would improve the game.
https://ulmf.org/threads/zell23-forest-of-the-blue-skin.6948/page-221#post-1040496

 

[Strange]

Please, let this thread die already...

Zell has clearly stated in his

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that he had nothing to do with SA except the graphics. My guess is, Zell completed his commission at least one year ago, leading to the situation Kyshishigami quite accurately describes.

I'll request once again: @bluna or a mod, please edit the title so Zell's name doesn't show. (edit: and OP to correct this 'joint project' thing: Demonmutt = dev in charge. Zell33 = initially comissioned for art and free advertisement). We all know what's going on, so let's not encourage any more confusion which might further perjudice the Zell we all love. That's what ULMF is for: to provide the most accurate info about your hentai.

 

[ThatWeirdGuyWithaWeirdHat]

Please, let this thread die already...

Zell has clearly stated in his

You must be registered to see the links

that he had nothing to do with SA except the graphics. My guess is, Zell completed his commission at least one year ago, leading to the situation Kyshishigami quite accurately describes.

I'll request once again: @bluna or a mod, please edit the title so Zell's name doesn't show. (edit: and OP to correct this 'joint project' thing: Demonmutt = dev in charge. Zell33 = initially comissioned for art and free advertisement). We all know what's going on, so let's not encourage any more confusion which might further perjudice the Zell we all love. That's what ULMF is for: to provide the most accurate info about your hentai.

 

[SDEDISK]

Sorry, I'm new to the forum.

mean don't ask for link, that is what he said

 

[OneOfUs]

mean don't ask for link, that is what he said

You do realize you replied to a 5 month old posting that had already been dealt with...right?

On a game related note,i haven't been following the game lately just waiting for a substantial update or release for the game... judging by the current discussion, it's not pretty.

Did he really make that much of a mess to the game?