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(Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)


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And I'm willing to bet we won't get anything for the downtime, no awakening either. Seriously, Nutaku need to man up and get the Aigis devs to treat the English version like its worth something. This is such shit.
 
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Withholding my rage until the anniversary inevitably ends up disappointing us and we end up having to bother NutakuDev again to pester the Aigis devs to get their shit together.

In the meantime, I'm hoping for Claudia next. Or some star/collection event.
 
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Owell, looks like Nutaku won't get my $100 this month.
 
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HAH!!!
So My 100$ will go to DMM this month

And mean while , DMM just giving free SC for a bug that I don't even know EXIST!!:eek:
They will give it out to everyone on 28'th

Today I CC'ed Iris and Mischa
With this rate , I think I will get My unit Awaken in another month
So , 2 month playing. And having an AW unit
LOL , this is very2 funny~
 
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I'm pretty sure this is a Nutaku thread, not a DMM thread.
 
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insanedar said:
Owell, looks like Nutaku won't get my $100 this month.
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Larcx said:
HAH!!!
So My 100$ will go to DMM this month
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You do realise how stupid this sounds, right? I mean it's not Nutaku who is controlling the English content, but the devs. And the devs apparently don't give a shit about the English version, since the Japanese version makes more money. By withdrawing from paying for the English version and putting that money in the Japanese version, you are essentially proving their point.

It's your money, you do what you want with it. Just don't pretend that you are sticking it to the man, because you really don't.
 
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There is always the chance that they are lazy and didn't get the news update in time.

There is the chance that they need more time to set up whatever they are doing. Could be AW, desert, and more all in one big package.

Worst case scenario, does it really matter? I've already been through worse breaks. I recently just quit DMM after ~6 months of playing that version. I'm rolling with Nutaku and I'll take the punches. I know the game could be better, I know the breaks suck, but it isn't that big of a deal.
 
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Break? No problem :p
 
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The Overgoat said:
You do realise how stupid this sounds, right? I mean it's not Nutaku who is controlling the English content, but the devs. And the devs apparently don't give a shit about the English version, since the Japanese version makes more money. By withdrawing from paying for the English version and putting that money in the Japanese version, you are essentially proving their point.

It's your money, you do what you want with it. Just don't pretend that you are sticking it to the man, because you really don't.
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Nutaku is publishing/hosting it for the developers. Nutaku is the only one who has any semblance of control over or communication with the developers. Now, I understand after multiple posts by Nutaku that they have absolutely no control over the developers. This is a problem. If you're in a partnership with another company, you need to communicate. There's clearly very little communication between Nutaku and the Aigis developers and that's a big problem. It's why questions go unanswered for months on end, it's why we don't know where the android version is, why units are being replaced, why units greenlit aren't being implemented, why we aren't getting an event this week, where the fuck is awakening, what can we expect from Aigis in 2016, etc.

These are all reasons why English Aigis is garbage. Things Nutaku need to get the developer to work on if they both want to see more money come from English Aigis. Free to play games rely on people to want to spend money. I don't want to spend money on an unreliable event schedule, a severe lack of units, lack of awakening, etc. Nobody needs or wants to spend money on a game when the resources you regenerate normally are more than enough to do dailies.
 
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The Overgoat said:
You do realise how stupid this sounds, right? I mean it's not Nutaku who is controlling the English content, but the devs. And the devs apparently don't give a shit about the English version, since the Japanese version makes more money. By withdrawing from paying for the English version and putting that money in the Japanese version, you are essentially proving their point.

It's your money, you do what you want with it. Just don't pretend that you are sticking it to the man, because you really don't.
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I pay to support the game if I feel like they are doing a good job to provide entertainment. Right now they aren't, so they are not getting anything from me. Neither Nutaku nor DMM are getting my support.
 
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The Overgoat said:
You do realise how stupid this sounds, right? I mean it's not Nutaku who is controlling the English content, but the devs. And the devs apparently don't give a shit about the English version, since the Japanese version makes more money. By withdrawing from paying for the English version and putting that money in the Japanese version, you are essentially proving their point.

It's your money, you do what you want with it. Just don't pretend that you are sticking it to the man, because you really don't.
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Sort of depends on who the man is here, does it not. Your reference has Aigis dev as the man, but for him it is probably Nutaku since he is playing the game just on DMM.

So yes, he may in fact be sticking it to the man. and since he is a heavy user putting money into the game, which Nutaku wants, he is doing the sticking rather well.

And as for proving the point, thats a self-fulfilling prophecy if there ever was one, the developer does not support the game (possibly because it does not generate money, who knows /shrug), and it does not generate money because the developer does not support it (or maybe it does generate money and the developer is simply treating it as a cash cow, again, who knows /shrug).

But regardless of either, It is not for the player with the money to take a leap of faith and spend the money in the hope the developer will do something. The ball is at the developer, it is for them to provide content people will pay for, goes for any game in the world.

Also If the payer is cool with cutting out the middle man (Nutaku) and the developer is cool with the payer cutting out that middle man in favor of another one (DMM), it is pretty difficult to see why Aigis on Nutaku exists at all or what the dev even wants with it. Localize it on DMM in English and be done with it, it could be argued, discussions over and done, last man standing can throw his tantrum and close the door.

Anyways, my 2 worn out cents is that it is a legitimate tactic to threating to vote with the feet and wallet. Whether it is tasteful is a matter of perspective.

Personally, I'll look to the anniversary, if they dont go big there, they never will and it'll be time to pack up ... whether DMM side or out, i dont know, have not decided yet, I have put (a little) money into Nutaku version and am willing to continue to support them, but I need more content, much more and much more often (personal preference)
 
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nissebrygger said:
Sort of depends on who the man is here, does it not. Your reference has Aigis dev as the man, but for him it is probably Nutaku since he is playing the game just on DMM.

So yes, he may in fact be sticking it to the man. and since he is a heavy user putting money into the game, which Nutaku wants, he is doing the sticking rather well.

And as for proving the point, thats a self-fulfilling prophecy if there ever was one, the developer does not support the game (possibly because it does not generate money, who knows /shrug), and it does not generate money because the developer does not support it (or maybe it does generate money and the developer is simply treating it as a cash cow, again, who knows /shrug).

But regardless of either, It is not for the player with the money to take a leap of faith and spend the money in the hope the developer will do something. The ball is at the developer, it is for them to provide content people will pay for, goes for any game in the world.

Also If the payer is cool with cutting out the middle man (Nutaku) and the developer is cool with the payer cutting out that middle man in favor of another one (DMM), it is pretty difficult to see why Aigis on Nutaku exists at all or what the dev even wants with it. Localize it on DMM in English and be done with it, it could be argued, discussions over and done, last man standing can throw his tantrum and close the door.

Anyways, my 2 worn out cents is that it is a legitimate tactic to threating to vote with the feet and wallet. Whether it is tasteful is a matter of perspective.

Personally, I'll look to the anniversary, if they dont go big there, they never will and it'll be time to pack up ... whether DMM side or out, i dont know, have not decided yet, I have put (a little) money into Nutaku version and am willing to continue to support them, but I need more content, much more and much more often (personal preference)
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I personally believe that it was Nutaku that approached the Aigis devs for the English version. It'd explain their attitude and lack of communication (even with Nutaku).

I think anyone threatening to switch to DMM because of how the devs treat the EN version is silly. You're acknowledging that you're being treated poorly and then rewarding the guys doing it by pretending to be Japanese and giving them more money. You sure showed them.
 
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I would've hoped that their lack of sales during the six-week drought would've helped them shape up, and for a while, things were looking up. Now we're starting to slink back. Until we get AW, frequent events, revival events, the missing "approved" units, etc.
 
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Ertx said:
I personally believe that it was Nutaku that approached the Aigis devs for the English version. It'd explain their attitude and lack of communication (even with Nutaku).

I think anyone threatening to switch to DMM because of how the devs treat the EN version is silly. You're acknowledging that you're being treated poorly and then rewarding the guys doing it by pretending to be Japanese and giving them more money. You sure showed them.
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Clearly some see Nutaku as part of the problem, regardless of the opposite viewpoint insisting it is all Aigis dev problem.

And If those voting with the feet sees it different, it matter little what others think about showing who & what, their time, their money.

The only sure thing is that they certainly showed those who stayed, because that version of the game is now getting less.

Dont think thats a win-win, it is a lose-lose if anything, because it fractures what should be a solid ENG community, but it is what it is and as long as people are not getting their fix, thats what happens. People will move off to get their personal win.

I'd sure prefer it otherwise, thats for damn sure, every post I have made has been for more content for Nutaku version, because i fear we bleed players if we do not get more.

Personally I dont see people choosing to be stopped treated poorly by changing, somehow being a worse choice that staying and being treated poorly. (and the poorly part is in any case totally subjective, its standard as far as I can tell based on Aigis Nutaku history)

(Oh. and I did not say anything about paying on DMM for my part or even choosing DMM in the end, so assume the "you" refers to someone else).

Edit : Fair theory btw. it could explain it, though of course not excuse it
 
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Re: (Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)

Problem is, Nutaku devs have little to no say in what happens on English Aigis. Bigger problem is, Aigis devs are the ones who decide practically everything. Yet another, even bigger problem is, everyone comes to the forums and complains about it where the Aigis devs do not bother looking or care for that matter, I don't know as I don't work for Aigis or Nutaku. How many people complaining about it are actually using that link at the bottom of your Aigis window to send your complaints to the Aigis dev team? I'm one of them that's begun sending the Aigis dev team weekly complaints about the lack of certain content. I'm sorry but complaining here and beating the dead horse isn't going to change anything.

Are we missing content (units, mechanic updates, unit/class buffs, etc)? Damn straight, and a lot of it if we're comparing our event/content update timeline with the Japanese Aegis event/content update timeline.

Do we get the exact same treatment for bugs as the Japanese Aegis server? Absolutely not.

Are you hurting Nutaku devs by going to the Japanese server (DMM) instead of paying for SC on the English server? Yup.

Are you hurting the Aegis/Aigis devs by going to the Japanese server (DMM) instead of playing on the English server? Nope, they most likely don't care where the money is coming from as long as they get it. You do however run the risk of your money going to waste when the DMM website changes up how they do their IP/Regional blocks and being locked out of your account. However there are some ways around it.

Does complaining on ULMF, Hongfire, or any other forum/wiki page about the lack of content/treatment compared to the Japanese server actually do us any good? No, not really. Send your complaints to the Aigis devs using that link at the bottom of your Aigis window, and if you can't find it for some reason or another.... here it is ->
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EDIT: The question is rhetorical, I don't want/need to know if you actually send complaints to the Aigis devs, the point of it is to ask yourself the question. One or two people here and there will not change anything, but the more people who actually send the Aigis devs their complaints may make a bigger impact. I also forgot to mention before posting this that I do not agree with Nutaku devs not being able to have any say in what goes into Aigis, considering they're hosting the game, I do believe they should have some say in the matter, but the fact of the matter is they do not.
 
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Re: (Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)

There is an ad in Nutaku for Aigis that says 'Awaken... your true power.'

That seems somewhat hopeful, right?
 
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RabbitJack said:
There is an ad in Nutaku for Aigis that says 'Awaken... your true power.'

That seems somewhat hopeful, right?
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Let's hope we get awakening. That banner seems to imply it. They will earned their $100 from me if we get awakening.
 
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I would quietly add, that parts of the comminity insisting on breaks being needed, single events being good and fighting all suggestions to do what is such a succes on DMM is not helping at all. Nutaku has no leverage on the Aigis devs, who can in any case point to that "people" dont want it, any debat or argument Nutakua can make stops there, dead in its tracks.

Can almost hear the dev crowing "see they dont want what works here, they want what we give them /nya nya" to Nutaku.

And yeah, awakenings seems to be coming up (else that banner is a pretty nasty joke rubbing it in), need to be accompanied by multiple events otherwise it is just super powerful units doing 1 event - 1 break cycle with even more time to spare, but i'll promised to shut up about that, so will leave it there.

edit : not saying aigis would even need a reason or excuse, but they sure dont need go look for one if it ever did become an issue
 
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Oofph.....if Awakening is in the next update lucky thing the Alt came back with it's old luck for a bit getting just enough Samurais to Awaken Betty and Cuterie, which goes the same for the Main, I will even have some extras to AW Garania. Wish I had more Soldiers, Archers, and Rogues as those will be pretty much cleaned out afterwards.

The only ones I won't be cleaned out are HAs as I still have a boat load of them so if I decide to AW Bernice and Maribel I'll still have plenty left over. I also have somewhat of a boat load of Mages and Bandits.
 
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Xine said:
Does complaining on ULMF, Hongfire, or any other forum/wiki page about the lack of content/treatment compared to the Japanese server actually do us any good? No, not really. Send your complaints to the Aigis devs using that link at the bottom of your Aigis window, and if you can't find it for some reason or another.... here it is ->
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Does that link even go to Aigis devs? I would have thought it goes to Nutaku since they're the ones the site is hosted on. They would then forward relevant items to Aigis devs. But yeah I'll definitely complain there if it goes to the Aigis developers.
 
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