(Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)

[Larcx]

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Today took Me 7 run to complete it
This map is quite time consuming like Stray map. Even with fastforward

Spoiler

Really , what is wrong with the RNG
First run give Me both Gold and Silver
Got 4 Gold Fairy today , not that I complaint though

But the one I really after was Iron
Was meant to screenshoot it , to show the drop complete with Iron
Eh well.... got 4'th Gold Fairy instead

Got all Gold Unit so far , next will be Phalanx2 with Cuterie

 

[Uzza]

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I have a question about AW abilities.
Abilities with the same name does not stack, so AWing multiple of same unit for that purpose is useless.
However, does it work for the same type of bonus from different units? Example is Katies 2% defense buff and Lens 5% def buff. Do they stack, or is just the highest used.
I assume since it's a different ability, that either would stack with Bearnices 5% HA def bonus. But in that case, is the bonus multiplicative, or additive?

 

[khawk016]

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I have a question about AW abilities.
Abilities with the same name does not stack, so AWing multiple of same unit for that purpose is useless.
However, does it work for the same type of bonus from different units? Example is Katies 2% defense buff and Lens 5% def buff. Do they stack, or is just the highest used.
I assume since it's a different ability, that either would stack with Bearnices 5% HA def bonus. But in that case, is the bonus multiplicative, or additive?

im not sure what overrides what but i use b iris 7% katie 2% and Brunisu 5% with prince 12% and it seems to stack i think but not sure if skills like b iris completely override any of the passives if it does oh well its 2.5x aw skill or 1.5x-2x with base skill and far to loli for eng ver

 

[Eab1990]

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Nine runs, got a surprising number of irons and silvers (ten total), but still missing the gold.

 

[anon423]

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[Uzza]

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Differently named abilities stack multiplicatively, but with cutting down decimals.
So if base attack is 589, and you have 3 different bonuses of 7%, 19% and 30%, final attack would be 973.


589 * 1.07 * 1.19 * 1.30 = 974.96581
int(int(int(589 * 1.07) * 1.19) * 1.30) = 973 <-- correct one
589 * (1.0 + 0.07 + 0.19 + 0.30) = 918

Ah so the number is floored before multiplied again. That's why my own numbers were always different than what the game told me.
That means however that the order of the multiplication is important, since a small different in starting value can mean you get plus 1 or not, and the more multiplications you do, the bigger the difference becomes.
Is the multiplication done in the order you wrote, from lowest to highest?

As for the stacking, looking at the Japanese wiki for the def up abilities, they are named the following:
全員の防御力アップ【大】 (Iris)
全員の防御力アップ【中】 (Len)
全員の防御力アップ【小】 (Katie)

That's how they appear in game, so since they are different named they should stack right?

So with the example of a Maxed Leeanne, with Katie Len and the prince, would give the following:
floor(floor(floor(426 * 1.02) * 1.05) * 1.19) = 541 def

Edit: For Cellias spirit up chance, the name both before and after awakening in game is 聖霊との友情, which is why it both 2% and 3% would not stack.

 

[Orion]

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RNGesus was a bit merciful this day, 7 runs on the main was able to get Cuterie though it got a bit worrying when I had 5 runs in a row where I got nothing, not even an Iron Fairy, the Alt got her in 6 runs meanwhile 14 runs in total with still no Bernice on the main and 22 runs with no Stray on the Alt, but at least Cuterie is out of the way so I'm thankful for that.

 

[anon423]

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全員の防御力アップ【大】 (Iris)
全員の防御力アップ【中】 (Len)
全員の防御力アップ【小】 (Katie)

These ones have special rules for them, they add up together instead multiplying. So if you have AWed Black Iris (gold one doesn't have def buff), Ren and Katie, you will get *1.14 modifier.

 

[Uzza]

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These ones have special rules for them, they add up together instead multiplying. So if you have AWed Black Iris (gold one doesn't have def buff), Ren and Katie, you will get *1.14 modifier.

So all skills like the def up, which have the same name, but a strength indicator in the name, are added up?

 

[Larcx]

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Differently named abilities stack multiplicatively, but with cutting down decimals.
So if base attack is 589, and you have 3 different bonuses of 7%, 19% and 30%, final attack would be 973.


589 * 1.07 * 1.19 * 1.30 = 974.96581
int(int(int(589 * 1.07) * 1.19) * 1.30) = 973 <-- correct one
589 * (1.0 + 0.07 + 0.19 + 0.30) = 918

Just curious , what if we use the buff?

973 X 1,30 = 1264,9
So it become 1264 right?

 

[anon423]

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So all skills like the def up, which have the same name, but a strength indicator in the name, are added up?

Yes, these definitely add up first and are applied together.

As for what happens with something Katie + Bernice, there's conflicting information actually, with wiki saying there was formula update this summer, and I cannot check it now myself, so deleted my earlier post.
Edit: some other anon tested it, now they all, except prince, add up instead multiplying:

My Bernice with 559 def with her passive, Lotte, Matsuri, Katie, and Prince, goes to 778. That's (559+559*(5%+5%+5%+2%) )*1.19 = 778

(Lotte is Riselotte, new plat soldier, ability シールドブースト [出撃メンバーに居るだけでソルジャー/ヘビーアーマーの防御力+5%、魔法耐性+5])
Sorry for confusion.

Just curious , what if we use the buff?
973 X 1,30 = 1264,9
So it become 1264 right?

Yes, buff, like prince morale boost and skills, is applied separately with multiplication. This I've checked.

 

[Sashas]

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Atleast I have a use for all these silver fairys I'm getting, both Cecily and Mortimer are now CC, next up is Lauren in 3 more silver fairys.

Maybe I should stop there since I may start running low on particular silvers if I do more. Still 80+ silvers and 12 awakening fodder so I'll be fine.

 

[AE1992]

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Got Cuterie after 4 runs. Think that's the quickest I've got one so far.

 

[Nirhael]

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Black is black, she's still very good unit, with highest base healing power of all units on nutaku and has unique skill with high utility value.
There are players like me who spent many more than 10 rolls on PS and never got any blacks.

I should clarify a bit: I'm way under the 3% rate for getting a Black, so no need for anyone to get jealous.

Now, the main issue I have with Liana is that she's an Event unit and I'd be surprised if we ended up skipping her, so that means I'll eventually have two copies. Do I want to use two? Do I want two units with the exact same situational AW Skill? If I don't want to use two, do I spend a ton of resources leveling the current one up as a temporary unit? And so on.

I think I'm just going to get some opinions from the other side and see what to do with her, probably can't even Discharge her in the future for 200 Rainbow Crystals either since she's technically an Event unit.

 

[anon423]

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I don't think they would ever do her event on Nutaku. There would be many pissed off premium players if they do, they are not that stupid.

 

[Nirhael]

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I don't think they would ever do her event on Nutaku. There would be many pissed off premium players if they do, they are not that stupid.

Pissing off the players that rolled and got her, or pissing off every single player that doesn't have her, it's a tossup really.

 

[xaxs]

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So many silver spirits


Main got both Bernice and Kerry today, yay lucky day. Got 3 golds from GR on main and now - Cuterie! Probably won't even have time to bother win Garrett, Stray or Julian... or those that are coming. Need to focus on really needed golds.

On the other hand alt with Cellia have all but Cuterie and maybe...Kerry? Cellia helps a lot.

 

[Herkz]

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Ok this event, I'm feeling the no fairy drops. Hahaha oh well.

 

[Daverost]

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Seven runs, three iron spirits, three silver spirits. Gold spirit/Cuterie MIA.

I had a short run of reasonable luck, but it was good while it lasted, I guess.

 

[rjrmonteiro]

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I'm still on day 5 map...
All natural stamina regen + 2SCs (34 stam) and still no gold fairy.

This is pure torture.