(Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)

[anon423]

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There's actually an iOS version of Aigis that went up less than a month ago, doesn't link with DMM accounts

It does link with DMM accounts. When you run iOS version, it presents you with 2 choices: to make new ios-only account or to use your existing DMM, and in second case all changes will be synched with your DMM account.
Only thing that is not shared when you play from ios is SC. iOS has red SC, DMM has blue SC, and you receive and can use only according type on each of them (so if you would clear belinda event on iOS, you would get bunch of red SC which you cannot use on DMM).

 

[Larcx]

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Damn , just got free account from Altrius , now I can't sleep
Already awake for nearly 24 hour
Well i guess Nirhael was right
Nutaku is good for training
Atleast now I can do Lv ing without confuse knowing what not

Still...... the kanji give Me headache

 

[khawk016]

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It does link with DMM accounts. When you run iOS version, it presents you with 2 choices: to make new ios-only account or to use your existing DMM, and in second case all changes will be synched with your DMM account.
Only thing that is not shared when you play from ios is SC. iOS has red SC, DMM has blue SC, and you receive and can use only according type on each of them (so if you would clear belinda event on iOS, you would get bunch of red SC which you cannot use on DMM).

really hope this whole mobile thing is not gonna affect original version seems like a lot of work to make a more censored all ages version

on the kanji thing you get used to it pretty fast

 

[Nirhael]

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It does link with DMM accounts. When you run iOS version, it presents you with 2 choices: to make new ios-only account or to use your existing DMM, and in second case all changes will be synched with your DMM account.
Only thing that is not shared when you play from ios is SC. iOS has red SC, DMM has blue SC, and you receive and can use only according type on each of them (so if you would clear belinda event on iOS, you would get bunch of red SC which you cannot use on DMM).

You're right, I edited my post to reflect that so people don't get confused, thanks for correcting me.

 

[12TonWeight]

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I guess I just grew up in a different time. Are there really people baffled by the mind boggling complexity of Aigis?
I played PC, SNES and PS1 games as a preteen (and re-played most as an adult, expecting easy victories and some petty revenge against my childhood tormentors. Oh god, it was SO humiliating.) that were far harder and so incredibly unforgiving that you could get to the final Boss just to find out you borked somewhere around level 10 by not grabbing / selling a limited bullshit Item, or you simply leveled the wrong units / the wrong way. Or RNG elements in level ups... (I remeber playing Chrono Trigger, Advance Wars Baldurs Gate and Shining Force II... MANY tantrums were thrown.) Hell, even the early FF games were harder (you know, when at least some guys at Enix were still somewhat aware of the fact that they were making games...). Also, the first 40 SC spent on Gatcha (and that's what the average newbie does, let's not delude ourselves) should've clued every player in to the fact that premium Gatcha should be avoided like the plague unless you are willing to drop cold, hard cash.
Let me be clear: I am a premium Player. I have spent quite a bit of cash to get the kind of team I am sporting now. But I knew what I was getting into. I saw the rates, I saw the averages, I knew what to expect. It does not change the fact that premium Gatcha is the wrong place to look if you are out for firepower. For the amount of SC it takes (talking averages here guys) to get a decent Plat or, heaven forbid, Black unit you can get a very decent "freemium" team 'roided up and ready. as for events: so long as you are no flipper handed freak child, a decently leveled team of freely availible units will not fail you.
And what about "the game does not tell you about those options"? Unless the pretty image with sparkly bits, titties and the sirens call of "easy street starts here" in the "shrine" tab demand so much of your attention that your higher brain functions are put on standby, it's all there, plain to see. There is nothing misleading on that page unless there is a serious language barrier involved. Judging by the fact that we all communicate (though we all have our doubts from time to time...) in english around here, that shouldn't be the issue.
I know we are used to games being geared towards the lower end of the IQ spectrum, but 1st grade (for native speakers, 5th grade for most non native speaker) reading comprehension is NOT a tall order (perhaps a translation could be made for the mentally subnormal: "Make Shooty Guys Strong", "make Hitty Guys Strong", "Make Stuff Hurt Less" "Make Easy" "Play More" "Also Play More" no use confusing people, really. Better?)

 

[Rawr1125]

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I guess I just grew up in a different time. Are there really people baffled by the mind boggling complexity of Aigis?
I played PC, SNES and PS1 games as a preteen (and re-played most as an adult, expecting easy victories and some petty revenge against my childhood tormentors. Oh god, it was SO humiliating.) that were far harder and so incredibly unforgiving that you could get to the final Boss just to find out you borked somewhere around level 10 by not grabbing / selling a limited bullshit Item, or you simply leveled the wrong units / the wrong way. Or RNG elements in level ups... (I remeber playing Chrono Trigger, Advance Wars Baldurs Gate and Shining Force II... MANY tantrums were thrown.) Hell, even the early FF games were harder (you know, when at least some guys at Enix were still somewhat aware of the fact that they were making games...).

I really can't think of anything you listed as hard though. I mean, maybe if you're like, underleveled then it might be more difficult. If anything, the biggest difficulty I found with old games would probably be glitches, since unlike Aigis, if you found a game breaking glitch, you could potentially have to start your game over completely if you didn't have a backup save. Or another example would be a boss you're underleveled for that's in an area with no mobs to grind exp on, and you can't leave the area.

 

[xaxs]

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I don't know if you all aren't demonizing gacha too much. Yes, it is a risk and a gamble, that's for sure. But why one should avoid it so much and spend SCs on anything else there is after just few tries?
Not sure...

Well everything depends on the situation - if one starts now it's different story.

I myself keeps SCs only for gacha (I think i'm in definite minority here, as a freeplayer). Only recently I spent 2 SCs for unit's space. Never refilled char or stam and throwing everything on gacha to have more variety of units. And I must say - I don't regret that.

Sorry if there's something not understandable... it's a middle of the night here.. and all... definitely too tired, starting mumbling...

 

[Blahblahblacksheep]

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It's not demonizing so much as understanding what you're paying for. If your team is having a lot of problems, gacha is a great way to get something strong that may help you. However, what you get is random and may not help you (i.e. you need a mage and you get a plat bandit/assorted other silvers). I also think the value of SC is much higher on other things to a certain point; for example, unit space and xp boost/cha refills to get you up to level 160+ or even up to 200.

Once you're high level, those times that you DO need sta refills (i.e. events) will end up costing you less. Not to mention the innate benefit of being high level which is having a high leveled team.

No amount of gacha pulls will compensate for having small storage space or being low leveled. Once you have those things though, gacha begins to become more valuable again. Since the point is "Newbie Beware" though, I feel gacha is a great way for them to waste SCs without fully realizing the other applications of their SC that they could be using to "catch up" and be able to have a strong enough team to complete events.

 

[anon423]

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Not spending on refills means getting imperfect event units, which is not worth it compared to very small chance of getting good premium unit.
Space expansions and seconds barracks are kind of obligatory too, stuff tends to pile up very fast and you would shoot yourself in the foot and harm progression if you get rid of "unneeded" silvers and fairies.

 

[xaxs]

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Edit: read it if you're really bored. This is a mumbling of a tired, distorted mind...



I agree with both of you. But at the same time (sorry if I will write some weird thing... sleepless night studying philosophers makes a mess in the head) those arguments are the reason why I wrote that I think your demonizing it a bit too much.

For those starting now there's no argue that using refills is...well, almost obligatory. However it was different for those that started.. let's say couple months after the game started.
It's not my point to argue that underleveled accs and/or newbies should or shouldn't avoid gacha.

I completely agree with the statement that it's more about "understanding what you're paying for".
But still... going on my example (started almost on the start, with couple months of break (barely made it for Solano's event). I just recently used 2 SCs for space (just because I started to get frustrated - having few tin cans and... 2x gold, plat, black spirits -,-' really annoying, that was), other than that I just used them for gacha so now I have, I think, quite decent variety of units for freeplayer. Didn't need refills too. Now I'm lvl 140 (at least main).
Events? Not a big problem. Just had problems with the last map of Solano's event, but I just came back and had 2, maybe 3 days of event left. About imperfect event unit thing... well for events like Karma - amount of SCs needed to get her perfect is insane/very high for freeplayer (imho), so I can't count that. With other events - getting perfect unit was never a problem (except farm events, but it's also a bit different matter). So saying that without refills you won't get perfect events is a bit of exaggeration (like earlier - perfect unit for collection events is really expensive).
Well one can always collect SCs to get them enough to get better stamp card, but, imho, this game is too casual for trying to get 105% of possibilities.


So all I wanted to say is: using SCs solely or mainly on gacha isn't so bad. All you need (at this point of time) is having decent lvl and team (my alt barely got 120lvl lately). It is still possible to do events perfectly and it having enough space for units, while having really nice variety of units. The only minus would be not having big piles of reserve fodder/aw material/spirits, but till now I didn't see it as a problem.

 

[Nirhael]

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Edit: read it if you're really bored. This is a mumbling of a tired, distorted mind...



I agree with both of you. But at the same time (sorry if I will write some weird thing... sleepless night studying philosophers makes a mess in the head) those arguments are the reason why I wrote that I think your demonizing it a bit too much.

For those starting now there's no argue that using refills is...well, almost obligatory. However it was different for those that started.. let's say couple months after the game started.
It's not my point to argue that underleveled accs and/or newbies should or shouldn't avoid gacha.

I completely agree with the statement that it's more about "understanding what you're paying for".
But still... going on my example (started almost on the start, with couple months of break (barely made it for Solano's event). I just recently used 2 SCs for space (just because I started to get frustrated - having few tin cans and... 2x gold, plat, black spirits -,-' really annoying, that was), other than that I just used them for gacha so now I have, I think, quite decent variety of units for freeplayer. Didn't need refills too. Now I'm lvl 140 (at least main).
Events? Not a big problem. Just had problems with the last map of Solano's event, but I just came back and had 2, maybe 3 days of event left. About imperfect event unit thing... well for events like Karma - amount of SCs needed to get her perfect is insane/very high for freeplayer (imho), so I can't count that. With other events - getting perfect unit was never a problem (except farm events, but it's also a bit different matter). So saying that without refills you won't get perfect events is a bit of exaggeration (like earlier - perfect unit for collection events is really expensive).
Well one can always collect SCs to get them enough to get better stamp card, but, imho, this game is too casual for trying to get 105% of possibilities.


So all I wanted to say is: using SCs solely or mainly on gacha isn't so bad. All you need (at this point of time) is having decent lvl and team (my alt barely got 120lvl lately). It is still possible to do events perfectly and it having enough space for units, while having really nice variety of units. The only minus would be not having big piles of reserve fodder/aw material/spirits, but till now I didn't see it as a problem.

So... you say that getting a perfect unit is never a problem, yet you're unable to do so for Collection and Farm Events.

Your "only minus" is a bigger issue than you think, I don't know how many Silvers you have but I have well over a hundred stocked up, >10% of them 30CC1 and ready to be used as AW fodder too. I also have a reasonable stash of fairies and Platinum Armours for rainy days/emergency unit leveling, though that's more of a habit from the DMM version since I have so much free time on here that nearly all my units are capped out...

One thing I can agree with you on is that abusing Premium rolls on the Nutaku version isn't too big a deal... mostly because there's nothing to do. There's plenty of time to level units up, get their Affection maxed and just do whatever you feel like without having to burn Crystals constantly to do Events and keep up with your unit leveling.

 

[Fayne]

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[...] About imperfect event unit thing... well for events like Karma - amount of SCs needed to get her perfect is insane/very high for freeplayer (imho), so I can't count that. With other events - getting perfect unit was never a problem (except farm events, but it's also a bit different matter). So saying that without refills you won't get perfect events is a bit of exaggeration (like earlier - perfect unit for collection events is really expensive).
Well one can always collect SCs to get them enough to get better stamp card, but, imho, this game is too casual for trying to get 105% of possibilities.


So all I wanted to say is: using SCs solely or mainly on gacha isn't so bad. All you need (at this point of time) is having decent lvl and team (my alt barely got 120lvl lately). It is still possible to do events perfectly and it having enough space for units, while having really nice variety of units. The only minus would be not having big piles of reserve fodder/aw material/spirits, but till now I didn't see it as a problem.

It is definitely true, that you don't need to spend SCs on events to get perfect units if you ignore collection and farm type events, thus only counting star events. But leaving out two of three types with one being the most common one is... an onteresting way to see it^^
For me it's more like the occasional star events (and gold rushs since this year) are the only source of SC income, because I'll spend at least the SCs I get from farm type events to get the unit perfected. And since I need quite some SCs to get a) the last capacity uogrades and barracks (~40SC) and b) the upcoming two collection type events (Claudia and Imeria, about 40 SC each and I really want both of them perfected). So yeah, I could do 6 pulls from premium summon, but nah, not gonna happen when I know I'll probably get 5 silvers and conrad or something. Sure, I'd really like to have some units from the gacha, but knowing I'll probably not get them, even if I do get a platinum or black unit, and knowing that I'll be more mad at myself if I can't get perfect event units due to myself being a stupid idiot, gacha is no option for me. And I'm playing since Belindas event, so not a newbe here. In the end I think it's your personal opinion about whether you want more badly to have specific units from the gacha or whether it's less bareable to have imperfect event units

BTW: Karma was pretty cheap to get perfected. Only about 10 SC.

 

[anon423]

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well for events like Karma - amount of SCs needed to get her perfect is insane/very high for freeplayer (imho)

IMHO, even 30 SC is very good price for perfect black Karma, considering how useful she is.
Most of future collection units are worth to max out, I've already reserved enough SC to perfect Imelia and will certainly spend SC on Pipin and Eterna if Nutaku ever reaches that point.

So saying that without refills you won't get perfect events is a bit of exaggeration

Star trials are far less frequent than unit farming, so together with collection events its about getting 3 out of 4 event units with very bad skill level and cost reduction.

 

[xaxs]

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I knew it, I should have not say anything than write something with so many... how to say it... holes?


Short, because my mind is really going blank and I dont have much time:

About stocked up silvers, spirits etc. Never had issue - no idea how it's on DMM, here with awakening I just can't see that It'll be so big problem for me if I won't be able to awaken couple units asap. Maybe I'm wrong but our pace isn't demanding.

With perfect unit issue... oh, it's just my tired mind. Star events - no problem. Collection - too expensive anyway (imho - better getting more variety, at least when starting than few CR and SU) and for farm events... nope. With RNG on CR and SU I consider it much worse deal than gacha.

Well the thing is, I think that's what I forgot to write in previous post, that I see it more worthy to get a chance for new unit than getting those 5/5 skill instead of 3/5 (like my Karma, she's still useful enough just like perfect).

Anyway it's not like I want to argue, because I don't. I agree with the worth of using SCs for various priorities. The only point was that using SCs on gacha isn't so bad like it sounded from previious posts. That is all... My mind is gone from too much thinking. Maybe I'll be able to explain myself better in like...12 or 14 hours... or more if I'll just get to sleep when I'll be back
Have a nice day all.

 

[Larcx]

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Anyone who can say PS is not frustating
It's obviously they have never spent 100 SC on massive PS

Anyway , I say PS is suck

Anyone who still rely on it after 300$ , either they are son of sultan / kings

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Gosh!!!!!!!
Truly fun to play JP
Few of reason coz of kind Senpai who give this free account

Mikoto is quite a cheat herself
Time stop , deployable meatshield who did not mess with Your 3 Star

Gee...... too bad it seems they charge Yen on it
I can't seem make My MasterCard working???
Think My MC only accept $ charged

 

[what3va]

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@larcx
You can also use paypal if you have one to pay dmm. Just google it and it is in one of the Kancolle wikis pages

 

[Larcx]

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@larcx
You can also use paypal if you have one to pay dmm. Just google it and it is in one of the Kancolle wikis pages

I thought no Porn for PayPal?
OK I'll check it out
But I didn't like the cut on it...
Was it 5%? 100$ meaning 5% , I could have almost both 20 day EXP and G up.......

 

[The Overgoat]

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Well the thing is, I think that's what I forgot to write in previous post, that I see it more worthy to get a chance for new unit than getting those 5/5 skill instead of 3/5 (like my Karma, she's still useful enough just like perfect).

Have a nice day all.

Right now, you are right. For the most part there is no radical difference between lvl 3 and lvl 5 skill. Once AW comes around, that'll change big time. For example in Karma's case, on the top of her 13s immortality she'll get to heal the entire team for the damage she soaks up and she'll get 60% increased dmg instead of 30%. That is massively improved compared to the normal skill. And later down the line you will need some of these AW skills, and to get them, you have to max out the original skills.

On my end, I don't max out everything. During farm type events I go for mincost, then I usually stop, which means their skills are around 6/10-ish. (With the exception of Rika, there I went up to 8/10 skill) I cannot afford to spend 10 SC or so on every single one of those events and mincosting is possible (usually) without that. In collection events, it depends on the unit. I got a maxed Karma, because even back then I realised how ridiculously OP she is. I did not try too hard for Len though. I realised it would be 30-40 SC and didn't have that much, so yeah. Back then I didn't care, since the general consensus was that she's meh, but since then the DMM version got her updated and now I regret not getting her mincosted.

Unfortunately I used up almost all of the early SCs that you could get from story missions pretty much immediately. I did do some premium pulls later on (from which I got Mehlis, so it was okay), but the main reason was that I started to play when the dragonkin invasion was already on for three days. I saw that the reward unit could be exchanged for a black princess later on and while I didn't know much about that class, I knew that a black unit is top tier and rare as hell. So I used the SC to power level. I remember spending an entire afternoon on the Monday daily, until I had something like 7 tin cans and almost 1 million gold. And then I still had to throw in $10 to be able to use the goddess protection to beat the ryujin king with three stars. But considering how useful Anya proved to be since, I don't regret doing that.

 

[Larcx]

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Snip

That kind of pressure will make player want spend Money
And help the game-publisher-dev too
Break , while player happy. It will do no good

Really hope no break again next week

Well whatever.....
Gotta back to JP Aigis
Dang Monkey Girl , to bad I'm fucking far too weak
Hope I'll be ready to do event in 2 month
Gotta pray My Preorder of Sybilla will be firstprint edition which will have Saphire Code on it
Well if not...... guess I just have to satisfied with only having the nendo

 

[nissebrygger]

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Opinions on JP and ENG aside, there is a basic point we face,

- A large part of what should be the ENG population is on JP server.

Just look at all the forums, be it here or hongfire or elsewhere, there are DMM threads full of people who should be ENG users.

And judging from post counts (bad measure I know, but still) half of what should/could be ENG is on DMM.

Simply put, ENG side will have issues with being viable as long as ENG is not slingshot to JP current content as it will bleed users to JP side.

The entire trailing JP 1 year, so that people can min/max each and every toon is entirely self-defeating, because a side effect is, that the ENG community will never reach the size and revenue it needs to get the attention and support of the devs and leave the "second rate" topic behind.

I honestly believe we should petition them for it, moaning over it sure wont work, and lets be honest, once devs are set, only major feedback will do anything (look at all games ever out there, see any dev giving in short of comminity size pressure?).

If bleeding to DMM version is not stopped, ENG will remain in shadows (well. short of a huge boost of ENG users, I suppose it could happen of course, not seeing from where though, users attract users, simple concept in all games, all played wow because all played wow etc).

I'd also claim that those ENG on DMM are most of the heavy users (higher probability of paying player), as they are the only ones that would be bothered to put up with the language issues etc (exceptions apply of course)

Jumping could bring people back and give one helluva boost to a good Aigis future.

(my apologies, if I sound like a broken record repeating about this topic, but it would be a game changer, in a good way, if we moved forward instead of being hooked on a toon in the past that we really want, and all the jump objections are honestly not valid, new DMM players face the same situation and cope, we'd still have our existing teams and loot ...

(and in a year? That new DMM player? who started with nothing, while we sat with our 50CC60 teams .. adding some older toon to it? He'll have a team that blows anything Nutaku side out of the water, while we still ponder when the awakening or next awakening will come )