(Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)

[Braemir]

Re: (Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)

People whine and wants to be heard, just like how you are whining about other people bitching. If you don't like it, you could've moved on and not read the threads.

Right b/c moving on from a game and reading a thread with hopes and finding out something useful are the same thing. And I tell you what how about I start creating page after page about complaining about complainers. I can copy and paste and adjust really well. Lets see where that gets us. Maybe I can use the complaining to get the Mods to shut it down just like the apparent tactic is to complain until Natuka makes changes?

 

[razisgosu]

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Yeah easy to say when I have to wade through the same whinning I've read for pages upon pages. No Natuka isn't going to make changes b/c the same 5 people are still complaining. Show me where over the past 50 pages there have been 100 different users complaining, then you might have a case, and maybe Natuka might push harder, but kinda hard to say, yep the same 5 people are still flaming the thread, we better make those changes or else!

Considering the amount of users who actively post in this thread is well under 100 users, that's kind of hard to do. Fact is this thread and the others out there on other boards HAVE gotten through to Nutaku and as a result the Aigis developers. As a matter of fact on another forum Nordland specifically gathered what the posters wanted most and consolidated them and sent them to the Aigis developers. Shortly after we got a Gold Rush, which was one of the larger asked for event. We should also be getting Awakening soon, another largely asked mechanic.

Right b/c moving on from a game and reading a thread with hopes and finding out something useful are the same thing. And I tell you what how about I start creating page after page about complaining about complainers. I can copy and paste and adjust really well. Lets see where that gets us. Maybe I can use the complaining to get the Mods to shut it down just like the apparent tactic is to complain until Natuka makes changes?

The only thing that would get you is reported for being off topic and spamming. Complaining about posters complaining is not on topic to Aigis. Complaining about Aigis not being at a level consumers want it is on topic to Aigis.

 

[Braemir]

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Considering the amount of users who actively post in this thread is well under 100 users, that's kind of hard to do. Fact is this thread and the others out there on other boards HAVE gotten through to Nutaku and as a result the Aigis developers. As a matter of fact on another forum Nordland specifically gathered what the posters wanted most and consolidated them and sent them to the Aigis developers. Shortly after we got a Gold Rush, which was one of the larger asked for event. We should also be getting Awakening soon, another largely asked mechanic.



The only thing that would get you is reported for being off topic and spamming. Complaining about posters complaining is not on topic to Aigis. Complaining about Aigis not being at a level consumers want it is on topic to Aigis.

See I honestly don't give two rats about the complainers, but I will not stand by while one of the "complainers' calls another poster mentally challenged because he is not on the bitching band wagon. That is where I have a real issue. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but when someone begins to insult another person because they aren't in agreement, I step in even if I have to whip insulting others despite the hypocrisy. I'm just calling how I see it.

I wouldn't be surprised anyone reading this thread for the first time would avoid this game do to the pages of complaints and venom. That hurts the game, sorry if some people can't see that. Want to complain, at least do it in a constructive way with well designed post, not to mention more humility.

 

[Lafate]

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See I honestly don't give two rats about the complainers, but I will not stand by while one of the "complainers' calls another poster mentally challenged because he is not on the bitching band wagon. That is where I have a real issue. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but when someone begins to insult another person because they aren't in agreement, I step in even if I have to whip insulting others despite the hypocrisy. I'm just calling how I see it.

I wouldn't be surprised anyone reading this thread for the first time would avoid this game do to the pages of complaints and venom. That hurts the game, sorry if some people can't see that. Want to complain, at least do it in a constructive way with well designed post, not to mention more humility.

I said Submissive, Mentally Challenge, or Playing Devil's Advocate. I called no one mentally challenge... notice the other options.

It isn't insulting anyone. Unless of course you use any of them as insults. Which I suppose you do.

No one will avoid the game because people are saying it isn't up to standard (which is factual).

EDIT: The fact it isn't up to standard is a plus for a lot of newer players because they have more time to catch up. However, older players will leave or jump ship.

 

[Eab1990]

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That's all that's ever really need to have been said, but every time I take the time to construct actual arguments all you see is 5 of the same people spewing the same garbage we've heard 50 times already. Nutaku's Aigis is one of the best games on this forum that I have played. I'm sure DMM Aigis is better. I don't care that it is. If I did, I'd be reading that thread instead of this one.

If you can't make a single post about Nutaku's Aigis's imagined 'shortcomings' without comparing it to DMM aigis, don't post. All we'd see is posts about the break, because that's the only thing there is to bitch about. Bitching that should have ended months ago when constant events started picking up. Missing 2 weeks in 2 months isn't some backslide into the dark ages, especially when one of those weeks was taken off even for the JP version. Maybe stop treating it like one?

I want all the same things you want. If I get passionate enough about wanting them, I'll contact Nutaku. I don't see any point whatsoever defaming a game that doesn't merit defaming in a communal thread for zero gain. If you aren't happy, play DMM. What confuses me more: those who play DMM but still post here because they aren't happy. Nothing will ever make you happy that much is clear, why the addiction to vitriol? Why do you hate this community of players so when they play the same game that you like enough to post about? What's the endgame here?

Didn't know baseless speculation instead of observed trends constituted actual arguments these days.

A justified argument box over shortcomings is better than your perceived hugbox of Nutaku Aigis apologists.

 

[nissebrygger]

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Right b/c moving on from a game and reading a thread with hopes and finding out something useful are the same thing. And I tell you what how about I start creating page after page about complaining about complainers. I can copy and paste and adjust really well. Lets see where that gets us. Maybe I can use the complaining to get the Mods to shut it down just like the apparent tactic is to complain until Natuka makes changes?

It will probably get you banned, eventually, if that was your question.

Anyways,

I got pissed in a prior post too, and wrote some nasties myself. But at least that made me realize that it was stupid and a waste to do it. So I edited it, and put in that I should not let my anger get the better of me, so dropped the anger outburst, and have stuck to reasoning (well. as far as I am aware. others milage or perception may vary).

But,

Thing is, so far, you have chosen to rant in your reply to Lafate, using cheerful things like "pussy hurting".

So bashing for his wording and then doing it yourself makes you seem like a hypocrite and tainting what ever else message you may have.

Anyways, again,

There is no resolution of the two perceptions (Says Aigis in the Title, we should find a way to get it here too vs. Aigis yes, but our Aigis is different, so accept it) and both will continue as it is only in the power of the developers to stop it.

As for the forum, well it is about the game. Change or not. Complaining or not.

Maybe either side should simply ignore the other unless a discussion is the objective?

Wishing for the other part to shut up is not going to work, neither side has any leverage that would allow such a thing. If one chooses to participate in the discussion then one has also accepted the fact that the other side will return fire. Page after Page.

* It is a fair point that a toxic environment may reduce player interest, but it is likely specific to participation in that particular forum and only very secondary with regard to any effect on the game (the game itself is likely a far stronger determining factor than a forum for what players choose and do, especially in a single player game)

But all things aisde, funny enough, the solution to both sides is the same, simply run Aigis as Aigis OR the developer/Nutaku steps in and puts out a clear message saying "We will never change this way, ever, the way we run now is the way we will run always"

Then we all know where we are. So both things will resolve it.

Until then the fact remains, that sometimes community pressure works (lafate mentioned some examples of events it works for & the decision not to jump), so it will be attempted infinite. It may amount to complaning or not depending on perspective (personally I use it to see what others think, I see it as grievances being voiced, not complaints, and write to the dev/nutaku in my sig. get standard replies mostly. but at least. i've made an effort at feedback and improve the game as I see it)

(Sorry. That got a bit long again)

 

[The Overgoat]

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-wall of text-

Yeah, because you are clearly such an unquestionable genius, that anyone disagreeing with you has to be retarded or a troll. Truly a classy way to address someone. [/sarcasm]

For the thousandth time: I. Do. Not. Care about the other versions. I don't and won't play them. I'm not going true the Japanese wikis to see what are we missing. I have a friend who briefly summarises me what's happening over there whenever we talk and that's about it. I'm not missing whatever content is not ported over, because I never had that content in the first place.

Here's an analogy for you: I only got myself a smartphone last summer. Up until then I used one of those old, unbreakable Nokia phones. Before switching over, I never missed having smartphone. I understood that it could a lot more than my old Nokia, but I didn't much care. I didn't have one, nor could I afford to buy one, so there wasn't much of a point complaining over it.
Right now I don't have my smartphone with me, since I had to hand it in for repair. I have my old phone as a substitute, yet now I miss having my smartphone quite a lot. Because now I know how much more useful it is.
Would I miss DMM Aigis if I had played it? Probably. But I haven't, so I don't.

TP rotation: yes, that is a valid point, having access to Chydis would be great. However, we both know that that's not how this is addressed here, It's usually addressed as "the TP is rotated on DMM again, where is our rotation". Not having a rotation is a problem anyway, but I bet that a lot less people would complain, if it weren't for the precedent the other version set up.

Kerry to Bashira: that is pure bullcrap, and you know it. Duellists are dime in a dozen event wise. Rika, Anya, Karma, Horace, Charlotte and so on. Sure Kerry is nice to have, but I've always found her replaceable. Burst dmg archers are unique on the other hand. Spica has a more stable dmg output, but she will not solo a black Oni or those damn fishes. She is also incredibly fragile. Spica is a good archer, but Bashira's burst dmg is irreplaceable. sure, most situations can be solved without her by applying unorthodox tactics and a lot of micromanagement, but then again the same can be said about Kerry. you could say that those event units are not available, but they will be. Games like these pretty much always provide ways to get older event units, otherwise newer players would be utterly screwed. Bashira on the other hand was a one time deal. But I've said that so many times at this point that even I'm sick of it.

Our version is NOT the same as the DMM one. That was obvious from day one. Lolis were cut, which meant events were cut, which meant screwed progression. Also we had a one week break after events for a LONG time.

I think the reason for all of this is that the other version (18+ DMM, all ages DMM, IOS) are all targeting the Japanese audience, where Aigis has been established and VERY successful. The devs, quite unrealistically, expected Nutaku to bring in comparable number of customers for the English version. Back in spring they demanded 200k active users to even consider providing us with constant events. As far as I can remember the entire Nutaku site didn't have that many accounts, let alone active players at the time. So from the devs perspective, they are going to put effort in according to the income the versions provide. The DMM version are clearly doing very well, and the IOS version is expected to do well too, since it targets the same audience. The Nutaku version on the other hand probably provides them enough income to keep it running, but not enough to have it prioritised over any other version.

 

[Braemir]

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So bashing for his wording and then doing it yourself makes you seem like a hypocrite and tainting what ever else message you may have.

Maybe so but I owned up to my hypocrisy in a post. My message will not change the views of those I was targeting, but I do hope they do gain some measure of feeling annoyed and maybe a possible twinkle of empathy to the rest of us who trudge through the post on how we feel. But even that is doubtful. And I have no issues redirecting attacks to myself then allow others to strike underhandedly against opinions of those that don't agree with them.

Look life isn't fair. Any business understands that, and it is in their best interest to cater to their primary targets. I'd love to see us caught up DMM, but it ain't gonna happen. That doesn't mean lay down and die, but rehashing the same stuff isn't going to get anything done. Its always about the bottom line and how close to it a company is willing to be to it. There are updates coming, perhaps some from the cries for change, but most likely things were set in their yearly plan anyhow.

 

[Larcx]

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Spica is a recommended unit on Daily Crystal Keeper God Tier
If one aiming to have Moar Demon Crystal
In which will be usefull to buying lots of things on Trading Post
Such as AW Fairy , or Platinum-Gold Units

Well , maybe Bashira can too
But Spica +7% Attack Passive for all Archer is also nice~

 

[nissebrygger]

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Just want to make You all SALTY :V
First 3 = Main
4-6 = Clone

Larcx ... are you double dating Bashira for chocolate treats? tsk tsk

 

[Larcx]

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Larcx ... are you double dating Bashira for chocolate treats? tsk tsk

Um.. Actually the Clone account was making Me confuse
I thought I will have Chocolate from Daniela , Kayou (Black Fox) , (???)
So really..... it really surprise Me

As for the Main account , I already know it will be Mikoto and Katie
For the 3'rd I was predict that it will be Spica

So , Total EXP it seem the most important factor
Total EXP as for the Black Lv 70 will be the one who will give choco
Compare to Lv 70 Platinum-Gold

Gotta abuse it for next year XD

 

[Lafate]

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1. That post had no comparison to the other versions in it. good job not reading it.

2. Again 'retard' is not an insult.

3. I never said you were a troll. A devil's advocate and a troll are two separate things.

4. That analogy does not fit. Especially since they are the same game. A more proper one would be if you got a smart phone in (say) the USA because your friend from Japan got it and you liked it. Instead of getting said smart phone your phone when it came out in the states only allowed you to use the call and interest apps, and several features are missing. May not be exactly this situation, but it fits more. Your analogy is comparing two different phones. This is not two different games. They are the same game with different languages. You never had the smart phone your friend did... but you'd still be missing the things that made you get the phone, and you'd be damn right pissed about it.

5. I've never seen that complaint. Only complaint I've ever seen is about the TP not rotating period. Never a complaint about it happening on DMM. Just it not happening at all.

6. No it is not bullcrap. All the units you have listed are events(Yes, you said they will be in the future. How do you know that without comparing to the JP version revival events? Hypocrite). New players do not have access to them. Hell even if we got their revival tomorrow. New players would not be able to get them. They wouldn't have the teams to. Bashira's damage is easily replacable, and up until the switch no one that had her actually used her if they had Spica or Victoria(and trust me I've been on many account to help many people with events because they could not figure out of proper strategy or execute properly if they had it). I was pretty much the only one. She is no way more valuable then Kerry in the current version of Nutaku Aigis. She just isn't. If we ever get Mischa or the Silver Princess. This will no longer be true. Until such time a proper it will always be Kerry > Bashira for a new player.

7. Ours version is the same. Devs have stated that multiple times. Hell the only reason we do not have the same primary event currently is because the community did not want to skip events to make that happen. You can argue with me. You can't argue with the creators of the game. Yes, we are in a different point time, but we aren't a different game. That is like calling Pokemon Red for the Gameboy and Pokemon Red for the 3DS virtual consol different games. They are not.

8. So the Japanese audience likes content.... and we don't? The Japanese audience likes good service.... and we don't? The Japanese audience likes consistency... and we don't? Not get what you are trying to accomplish with that statement.

9. That is backwards and everyone knows it. No person goes into another market expecting their product to be at the some point of where it tooks year to get. That is exactly why it never worked. Ya we reached that, but it was when they were providing consistent content that we did. Hell a newer version has exactly 0 accounts and that got more support then we did in an entire year. They made events and reasons for people to start playing the newest version. They didn't expect that version to have 200,000 accounts before they started doing what they were suppose to. You see the disconnect there? What is even worse is that they have gone backwards for us.

 

[razisgosu]

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Lafate, retard is very widely considered an insult. You'd be in a very small minority to say it's not. If you're calling someone a retard who isn't actually retarded, you're literally saying they're of lesser intelligence... which translates to an insult. Also, I have to say I find it ironic just 2 months ago you were arguing with me telling me I had no idea what I was talking about when I was complaining about Aigis and now you're making the same complaints against the game.

 

[nissebrygger]

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Spoiler

7. Ours version is the same. Devs have stated that multiple times. Hell the only reason we do not have the same primary event currently is because the community did not want to skip events to make that happen. You can argue with me. You can't argue with the creators of the game. Yes, we are in a different point time, but we aren't a different game. That is like calling Pokemon Red for the Gameboy and Pokemon Red for the 3DS virtual consol different games. They are not.

Spoiler

True. It is indisputable that the frame of reference is the original Aigis, not just for one side, but also for the developers.

I do believe for the same reason, that the "complaints" side is more correctly called the "grievance" side, as it is a very strong point that it is in fact the developers own frame of reference.

A good question that can be asked here is:

If that is the frame of reference, why are they deviating?

And does that not turn a complaint into a grievance, when they deviate for no discernable reason?

Had they stepped up and said "We'll do this one different, this one will be event->break" then indeed it would be complaints what is being voiced. But they have not, they have said, it is the same game. and what aigis is, is easily observable, on dmm, where it first saw light and in the wikis event and content pages.

Problem : The "loli" issue cannot explain the deviation, nor can the old event petitions, for the deviation(s) are much much greater than just those two areas (and the loli as we know from Nutaku, is mostly resolved).

So what is going on? The attempt to answer that is the key to it all. And it is in their power to resolve, at will, one may add, a few lines would do, seconds would do it, a single post, but they do not, nor are they obligated to do so, but the effect is clear, the reference is unchanged, the deeds do not match the words, Aigis is Aigis, Yet not, the petitions continue and the list grows, and thus the cycle turns.

Spoiler

Edit : I would like to make an, attempt, at an important point. *cough* here goes,

- The accept side is willing to survive on the current and thus will not leave or at least not leave until they tire of the game.
- The grievance side is not willing to accept the current and will leave or move to dmm

The player base splintering again and again, is not going to end well for this game, it is not going to be a case of one side leaves, peace reigns and all is good. that would have been the case if the game was rocking big numbers and succes banner after succes banner. but it is not.

It is therefore in all sides interest to kindly ask Nutaku to drag an answer out of the developers. (that would be the important point)

- Is the original reference invalid and is event -> break the way the game will run
- Is the original reference still valid and is original Aigis the way the game will run (and if yes, when)

 

[Lafate]

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Lafate, retard is very widely considered an insult. You'd be in a very small minority to say it's not. If you're calling someone a retard who isn't actually retarded, you're literally saying they're of lesser intelligence... which translates to an insult. Also, I have to say I find it ironic just 2 months ago you were arguing with me telling me I had no idea what I was talking about when I was complaining about Aigis and now you're making the same complaints against the game.

two months ago we were getting consistent events and things were improving. However, now they are not and we are going backwards.

As for insulting anyone I did not. Hell I didn't even say retard, and mentally challenged does mean of lower intelligence. There are plenty of mental disabilities that have nothing to do with intelligence. More than that do at least. Either way I said "Submissve, Mentally Challenged, or playing Devil's Advocate". If you would assume that is calling you retard when reading that.... then maybe that should tell you something about yourself.

 

[Braemir]

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two months ago we were getting consistent events and things were improving. However, now they are not and we are going backwards.

As for insulting anyone I did not. Hell I didn't even say retard, and mentally challenged does mean of lower intelligence. There are plenty of mental disabilities that have nothing to do with intelligence. More than that do at least. Either way I said "Submissve, Mentally Challenged, or playing Devil's Advocate". If you would assume that is calling you retard when reading that.... then maybe that should tell you something about yourself.

One, you did not say >>Submissive<<

Two, you also don't believe in calling someone a retard (which is a very demeaning way of calling someone Mentally Challenged) is an insult

And now if someone makes an easily identifiable lateral move from your post to read Mentally Challenged as an insult, now that person also suffers from that? Wow dude, wow.

Further Mental Disabilities <> Mentally Challenged. Psychopath, Sociopath, and other items are Disabilities and are in no way associated with Mentally Challenged. They are not interchangeable as you lead us to believe.

 

[Lafate]

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Pretty sure I did.
http://www.ulmf.org/bbs/showpost.php?p=794431&postcount=15723

Not alright at all, and any who thinks it is... are either submissive as fuck.... mentally challenged... or are just playing devil's advocate to get a rise out of everyone...

When did I ever say that someone who read mentally challenged as retarded is mentally challenged? I said that should tell you something about yourself. You taking that again as meaning something it doesn't should tell you something about yourself.

I also don't believe gay is an insult... but people use it as such.

Having a mental disorder means there is essentially something not 'right' with your mind. By definition that is mentally challenged. When using the word 'challenge' as a verb it can mean 'dispute the truth or validity of.' 'Validity' is what is being disputed. The meaning of that is 'the quality of being logically or factually sound'. In context of everything I said this means that when I say mentally challenged. It is meaning to dispute the validity of being in the 'right mind'.

That is correct... so... a Psychopath and Sociopath are mentally challenged. They are not of the 'right mind'. Unless you are saying they are of 'right mind' which would be incorrect.

 

[Karsuman]

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while this awful semantics argument is truly popcorn-worthy, i think an apology(from someone, anyone) and going back to complaining about lolis or whatever you guys do would be a more productive use of everyone's time.

Spoiler

edit: and by someone i mean lafate

 

[Braemir]

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Pretty sure I did.
http://www.ulmf.org/bbs/showpost.php?p=794431&postcount=15723

Way to link a post that we have not been referring too. Good job buddy!

When did I ever say that someone who read mentally challenged as retarded is mentally challenged? I said that should tell you something about yourself. You taking that again as meaning something it doesn't should tell you something about yourself.

Never said you did, however you fail to see how it can be read as that and now are saying anyone who does, that something is wrong with that.

I also don't believe gay is an insult... but people use it as such.

Its all about the context on how it is used. And I hope that you understand that.

Having a mental disorder means there is essentially something not 'right' with your mind. By definition that is mentally challenged. When using the word 'challenge' as a verb it can mean 'dispute the truth or validity of.' 'Validity' is what is being disputed. The meaning of that is 'the quality of being logically or factually sound'. In context of everything I said this means that when I say mentally challenge. It is meaning the dispute of validity of being in the 'right mind'.

That is correct... so... a Psychopath and Sociopath are mentally challenged. They are not of the 'right mind'. Unless you are saying they are of 'right mind' which would be incorrect.

Yeah, you don't understand. There is a massive jargon of difference between a Mentally Challenged person and one who has a Mental Disorder. While a psychopath might lack the ability to hold empathy, they are generally not referred to as Mentally Challenged. I would be surprised if you could find any professional who would not back this up.

What you are trying to do is twist and nit pick in hopes of "winning" and defending what you said. I'm not buying it and I doubt there are many in line who are.

 

[The Overgoat]

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Spoiler

1. That post had no comparison to the other versions in it. good job not reading it.

2. Again 'retard' is not an insult.

3. I never said you were a troll. A devil's advocate and a troll are two separate things.

4. That analogy does not fit. Especially since they are the same game. A more proper one would be if you got a smart phone in (say) the USA because your friend from Japan got it and you liked it. Instead of getting said smart phone your phone when it came out in the states only allowed you to use the call and interest apps, and several features are missing. May not be exactly this situation, but it fits more. Your analogy is comparing two different phones. This is not two different games. They are the same game with different languages. You never had the smart phone your friend did... but you'd still be missing the things that made you get the phone, and you'd be damn right pissed about it.

5. I've never seen that complaint. Only complaint I've ever seen is about the TP not rotating period. Never a complaint about it happening on DMM. Just it not happening at all.

6. No it is not bullcrap. All the units you have listed are events(Yes, you said they will be in the future. How do you know that without comparing to the JP version revival events? Hypocrite). New players do not have access to them. Hell even if we got their revival tomorrow. New players would not be able to get them. They wouldn't have the teams to. Bashira's damage is easily replacable, and up until the switch no one that had her actually used her if they had Spica or Victoria(and trust me I've been on many account to help many people with events because they could not figure out of proper strategy or execute properly if they had it). I was pretty much the only one. She is no way more valuable then Kerry in the current version of Nutaku Aigis. She just isn't. If we ever get Mischa or the Silver Princess. This will no longer be true. Until such time a proper it will always be Kerry > Bashira for a new player.

7. Ours version is the same. Devs have stated that multiple times. Hell the only reason we do not have the same primary event currently is because the community did not want to skip events to make that happen. You can argue with me. You can't argue with the creators of the game. Yes, we are in a different point time, but we aren't a different game. That is like calling Pokemon Red for the Gameboy and Pokemon Red for the 3DS virtual consol different games. They are not.

8. So the Japanese audience likes content.... and we don't? The Japanese audience likes good service.... and we don't? The Japanese audience likes consistency... and we don't? Not get what you are trying to accomplish with that statement.

9. That is backwards and everyone knows it. No person goes into another market expecting their product to be at the some point of where it tooks year to get. That is exactly why it never worked. Ya we reached that, but it was when they were providing consistent content that we did. Hell a newer version has exactly 0 accounts and that got more support then we did in an entire year. They made events and reasons for people to start playing the newest version. They didn't expect that version to have 200,000 accounts before they started doing what they were suppose to. You see the disconnect there? What is even worse is that they have gone backwards for us.

1. I've mentioned the comparisons two times. The first time was a reaction to your question about why am I not angry for being ripped off. The second one referred to the general approach to the TP rotation. It did not address your last post specifically, I thought I made that clear enough by starting the line with "yes, that is a valid point,".

2. It is. Period. But I'm not taking offence to the word itself, I have problems with your attitude. When it became clear that our opinions are in opposition, you essentially stated that this can be because I am a) mentally challanged, b) devil's advocate or c) submissive. A) implies that I disagree because I'm too stupid to understand your superior reasoning, b) implies that I know you are right, yet I'm still arguing for the sake of arguing, either to frustrate you or to satisfy my ego and c) implies that I'm essentially a corporate shill trying to defend the a faulty product from just consumer criticism. All three options start out from the assumption that 1) you are right and 2) as direct result of 1), I must be wrong. You've never shown any sign of considering my opinion to be at least possibly valid, even though I never denied the same from you. Hell, I specifically emphasised that we are looking at things from different perspectives entirely. And in general: opening your argument with a massive ad hominem is not exactly the best strategy.

3. While that is true in general, in this context playing the devil's advocate means prolonging a futile discussion just to provoke others. That is a troll-like behaviour.

4. I admit that it wasn't a perfect analogy. However, you misunderstood me: my point was that I can't miss something that I never had. I never had the experience of playing Aigis on DMM, therefore I cannot possibly miss it. To follow your analogy, I would only miss those functions, if I had ever handled my friends phone. Which I haven't.

5. I've seen it quite a number of times. Although granted that this is not the only outlet where I discuss this game, so it is possible that I'm mixing up my sources here. But at the end of the day, it was simply an example for the attitude that frustrates me in general. I could make the same argument about missing characters, events, mechanics, etc.

6. I made it clear how do I think revivals or something to that effect will happen: "Games like these pretty much always provide ways to get older event units, otherwise newer players would be utterly screwed." Where did I mention the JP version in that sentence?

As for Kerry, I have several things here:

a) As I've said I've found Kerry entirely replaceable. In fact I didn't max her out for quite a while, yet I had always found ways to do the events. Yes, totally new player might not have access to gold+ anti-mage duelists. So? Newbies generally have no access to a lot of specialists. However, they will get some eventually, through events. And if we are at that, Spica isn't constantly available either. With this slow TP turnover, she might not come back at all when she's finally rotated out.

b) Kerry is a gold unit, therefore newbies have MUCH higher chance of getting her from summons. Hell, even I have around 6-8 non-event gold units and I've only ever used freebie SC on premium summons. On the other hand I've only ever got one platinum (from the free summon, ironically enough).

c) Bashira has one of the highest physical DPS in our version when her skill is active. The only unit that can replace her safely is Nanaly, whom is pretty much impossible to get without reaching into your pocket quite deeply. That, or insane luck. That burst dmg isn't really directly replaceable with any other free and event units.

7) It is the same game core, but not the same version. We had considerable differences since day one, therefore it is NOT the same version, just in a different language. That's an undeniable, empirical fact, and the devs saying otherwise is simply PR drivel.

8) That section wasn't directed at you. It was my interpretation of their perspective. Nutaku Aigis doesn't get the same service as DMM Aigis, because Nutaku Aigis doesn't bring in the same amount of money.

9) Of course I see it. This might be on Nutaku, promising too much during the negotiations to secure the license, or on the Japanese devs being unreasonable. Or both. I don't know. It is unreasonable, but it is what it is. As long as the DMM version is so successful, I don't really see the devs chaning there ways. For all intents and purposes, the Nutaku version is probably expendable for them.