(Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)

[Blahblahblacksheep]

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I do have 2 soldiers and I would much rather use the points on something not completely useless like an overpriced healer. I'd rather get out some damage on the field so the map can be cleared faster.

You can use your Liana, good luck using her on tight cost maps like Danger in the Oasis though.

Yes, I will compare her to Alissa or gold Iris.

Liana at max heals for 637, with her skill up she heals for... 637.
Iris at max heals for 498, with her skill up she heals for... 597.6.
Alissa at max heals for 378, with her skill up she heals for... 415.8.

And that's assuming skill level 1. With even skill level 2 gold Iris heals for 647.4. Look at that, a 2/5 skill gold out heals your precious black unit who costs at least 5-6 more points to summon.

If you seriously cannot understand how bad a max cost Liana is, you're beyond help.

If you seriously cannot understand why Liana can still be useful given her cost, you're beyond help.

Yes, it requires some thought. No, she is not the ideal healer in every situation. If you want one of those, Fedora and/or gold Iris are very solid. If you want a powerhouse that heals over 600 ALL THE TIME, can remove stuns/paralysis/etc., and can get a huge range, Liana is your girl.

One of the unfortunate/fortunate things about Liana is she really doesn't gain much in raw power from awakening. If you have her at cc80 she'll really only go up a few points getting to aw99. It's for this reason I've AW'd my Fedora and Iris first; they simply get more from it. It doesn't make any sense to me, but that's how it is.

Liana is a fire and forget healer. I like those types of healers. Fedora is my mainstay as being both solid all-the-time healing and incredibly good cost. Iris can be useful, yes, but I have never once run into a situation where her+skill is required to heal something that Liana cannot heal. You're trading UP for convenience and consistency. That's a trade I am happy to make anytime UP isn't too tight, which is often. If it is, I'll just run Fedora and Iris. Maybe a silver.

What Liana also allows you to do is never need more than 3 healers. She will, in most cases, effectively replace 2 silver healers. This makes her more efficient for the spot and UP than 2 silvers. Just about anytime I see a strat that uses 4 healers, I know I'll only need 3 between Liana and my 2 golds. In the last map of eastern, I placed her and Fedora on the top left to heal my Lyla. Even when I popped Lyla's Risk Life they always healed her to full.

You can't use Liana all the time, but she's good at what she does. For my playstyle, I'd rather not have to worry about popping a skill in time or else my units die -- or worse, popping at the wrong time, and having the duration fall off and my units die.

Saying Iris has higher raw healing than Liana is flat out wrong. She has higher *burst* healing potential, but more often than not her skill is not up. Over time, Liana heals more.

Should Liana cost less? Yeah. She should be a 22 base cost at a minimum. Is she unusable? No, you just have to put some thought into it. I run Mikoto instead of a mage, so I can afford Liana; those sorts of tradeoffs are what you think about when you watch a video or run a map. Liana isn't my most-placed healer, but I have zero complaints when I do get to use her.

 

[Orion]

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Have fun at the expo darted, bring us back presents. I'd like a T-shirt. :V ...Oh, and whatever answers you can get too.

 

[Larcx]

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Have G event maps gone up in difficulty DMM side? Otherwise there's videos that have shown Silver teams (some with a few Golds thrown in) as viable in doing them. Though, in my case because some enemies were buffed I had to tweak a few strats I usually just used Gold Iris and Alissa, sometimes Dorca or Fedora, and things worked out.

If Leeanne can tank something like Seraphim on Chloe revival months a go
Well , OK I will corrected that statement~

And if Alyssa able to outheal Seraphim damage , otherwise , no.....

Or something like Silver Team on Vepar Lv 9 and above

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@Dartred

If You really have the time
Please ask Nutaku what will they do with Liana Original Event and Black iris
I really become curious now~

 

[Orion]

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If Leeanne can tank something like Seraphim on Chloe revival months a go
Well , OK I will corrected that statement~

And if Alyssa able to outheal Seraphim damage , otherwise , no.....

Or something like Silver Team on Vepar Lv 9 and above

Idk what this Vepar is, but Revival maps are supposed to be harder than the original maps, though or at least that's what I've been told unless they changed that. I recall Claudia's revival G map has these crazy powerful skeleton dragons.

 

[LeadSmasher]

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Really? Damn!
One of the things I was looking forward to with the revivals was returning to event missions that I'd struggled with and trouncing the enemies that vexed me with a much stronger army.
Ah well, I'm still looking forward to them.

The new story maps are much harder than Base Scramble 1

Double damn, I only just barely managed to 1-star BS1.
Been a while since I tried BS2.

 

[Orion]

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^
idk if you were here for machine gun sagahins, but that was like a taste of it.

DMM

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Notice how much faster ours shoots.

Edit:
Claudia's Revival G Map.

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Skele/Zombie Dragons of death.

 

[Larcx]

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Idk what this Vepar is, but Revival maps are supposed to be harder than the original maps, though or at least that's what I've been told unless they changed that. I recall Claudia's revival G map has these crazy powerful skeleton dragons.

Well.... Vepar is a challenge map
Where even if You have full AW Black , it might be hard
Personally I will stay out of this
It's just not the time yet for Me , I don't feel motivate anyway
It's Perfect for those veteran that played for like 2-3 year I suppose?
There is no drop , only Platinum Armor for Lv 1-4 for 3 Star. Lv 5 got Black Armor , 6-9 PA again. Lv 10 BA again and 11-15 is Rainbow (CMIIW)

Ah.... Revival huh
All i can say when DMM have Marie and Beatrice Revival
I can use Daniela instead of Bashira on that X Map

 

[soranokira]

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^
idk if you were here for machine gun sagahins, but that was like a taste of it.

DMM

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Nutaku

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Notice how much faster ours shoots.

Edit:
Claudia's Revival G Map.

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Skele/Zombie Dragons of death.

to be my understanding, revivals on dmm usually have the same maps at the same difficulty, then 1 new map that is specifically catered for veterans and is extra difficult for a challenge (at least compared to the original event's).
also, the machine gun sahagin...does not exist in beatrika event revival on dmm. seems to be a nutaku-exclusive as far as i'm concerned.

 

[Orion]

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to be my understanding, revivals on dmm usually have the same maps at the same difficulty, then 1 new map that is specifically catered for veterans and is extra difficult for a challenge (at least compared to the original event's).
also, the machine gun sahagin...does not exist in beatrika event revival on dmm. seems to be a nutaku-exclusive as far as i'm concerned.

Actually, I should have thought about it a bit more. You're right that they don't appear in Beatrice's revival, however they do appear in Claudia's revival.

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I recall someone using that, not that specific video, as an example.

 

[Maggifixxx]

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Well if someone have a problem deploying 24 UP
Good Luck when the Dragon Rider comes with 30+ UP
Or was it 35?

OMG!!! that is so expensive

Hahahaha~

What are you even talking about?

This is not about not being able to deploy high cost Units, this is about the question: Why should I deploy a Unit for a certain Job for x if another unit for x-4 can do the job?


A few weeks ago I got my Fedora awakened because of the -2 Cost for a single mission, because I needed a certain unit on the field before the boss started walking. And I just couldn't make it. If I switched out more units for weaker and cheaper alternatives they would have died.

I had to minmax my UP to the very limit for that mission.

So yes, in many situations it's absolutely legitimate and / or necessary to switch out more expensive units with cheaper ones as long as they can do the same job good enough.

 

[soranokira]

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Actually, I should have thought about it a bit more. You're right that they don't appear in Beatrice's revival, however they do appear in Claudia's revival.

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I recall someone using that, not that specific video, as an example.

ah i see, thanks for the videos and clarification. never noticed since I didnt join dmm when claudia revival was ongoing :/ I totally thought machine gun sahagins were nutaku-only.

 

[Orion]

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ah i see, thanks for the videos and clarification. never noticed since I didnt join dmm when claudia revival was ongoing :/ I totally thought machine gun sahagins were nutaku-only.

No problem, it was my bad for not thinking about it more. I had to really dig deep into my memories for that while searching on the wiki. :V

It's weird though, they appear in Claudia's revival, but not Beatrices. So is it a Claudia only thing or they buffed enemies at some point or did they only start to up the difficulty on revivals later on, idk.

 

[Xion]

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Have fun at the expo darted, bring us back presents. I'd like a T-shirt. :V ...Oh, and whatever answers you can get too.

Something like a T-shirt with the following words: MY friend went to anime expo and only bring me this hideous t-shirt (digital format though).
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I belive certain events are more harder here than in dmm, remember the gold wolf in Ada's or the paralizing ninjas on Azami's? The machine gun fishes where only the cherry top. If is like this i don't think we should be having problems handiling the revivals (Althouhgt Memento's last map was hectic in her revival).

 

[taikishi]

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Folks, if you want to talk strat, don't listen to Larcx. He's just spouting random shit.

SAW Nadia (unit cost 40) and SAW Anya are great units, but they aren't the end all, be all he is trying to make them out to be. There've been maps where Nadia and Anya shred things and there've been maps where I've had both get ROFL stomped and both are AW99 (Anya) and AW90 (Nadia, a plat unit).

As for this "Vepar" he's going on about that most of you understandably don't have a clue: starting back in I think March DMM started throwing additional challenge maps at us with Majin villains. The difficulty ramps considerably with each level. The rewards for 3-starring maps 1-4 and 6-9 are platinum armors, and you must 3-star the map to unlock the next one. The rewards for maps 5 and 10 are black armors, which give 5000 XP instead of 1000. The rewards for maps 11-15 are rainbow fairies.

From what I've gathered, pushing past maps 6-7 generally requires late game teams (everyone nearing max AW level and in most cases SAW'd for units where it's useful). You'll notice if you watch videos of these maps that very specific units also get used quite a lot because of their general strength.

That said, while certain gacha and event units are OP, and some event units are really bad, the best advice I can give is this: This is your team, not mine. Pick the ones you like and raise a good mix of units among all of the classes because you just never know who might become useful when.

 

[Larcx]

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What are you even talking about?

This is not about not being able to deploy high cost Units, this is about the question: Why should I deploy a Unit for a certain Job for x if another unit for x-4 can do the job?


A few weeks ago I got my Fedora awakened because of the -2 Cost for a single mission, because I needed a certain unit on the field before the boss started walking. And I just couldn't make it. If I switched out more units for weaker and cheaper alternatives they would have died.

I had to minmax my UP to the very limit for that mission.

So yes, in many situations it's absolutely legitimate and / or necessary to switch out more expensive units with cheaper ones as long as they can do the same job good enough.

Well okay , guess I can wait more UP to deploy more expensive unit (X-4)
Lv Your team more to be stronger for a mere 10 sec~
lol

Folks, if you want to talk strat, don't listen to Larcx. He's just spouting random shit.

SAW Nadia (unit cost 40) and SAW Anya are great units, but they aren't the end all, be all he is trying to make them out to be. There've been maps where Nadia and Anya shred things and there've been maps where I've had both get ROFL stomped and both are AW99 (Anya) and AW90 (Nadia, a plat unit).

Ehhh I see , so I guess Nadia isn't that OP?
Guess some random discussion on other forum was wrong
I get the impression that Nadia is OP and sometime is even better to use than tanks~

Sure I guess so , atleast I go blinded sometime
Go use Your vid strat~

lol

 

[Sashas]

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Folks, if you want to talk strat, don't listen to Larcx. He's just spouting random shit.

That said, while certain gacha and event units are OP, and some event units are really bad, the best advice I can give is this: This is your team, not mine. Pick the ones you like and raise a good mix of units among all of the classes because you just never know who might become useful when.

In the end though you argue Larcx main point, all units can be useful, even Liana. Larcx may not be the nicest guy but he does say some useful things inbetween all the other things he says.

Noone is argueing Liana is useful all the time but she's not garbage.

 

[Rawr1125]

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I feel kinda bad that I haven't max leveled a single special awakening character I own yet.

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Edit: Now I actually feel worse after realizing Claudia is the highest level even though I got the rest MUCH earlier and I don't even use her. <.<

 

[Larcx]

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I feel kinda bad that I haven't max leveled a single special awakening character I own yet.

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Edit: Now I actually feel worse after realizing Claudia is the highest level even though I got the rest MUCH earlier and I don't even use her. <.<

lol

I know DAT feel~

My highest is surprisingly Gellius-Jerome-Mehlis

And anyway.... raising Black is hard You know....
145K EXP , PA probably easier now
If You can atleast 2* G and if RNGsus is kind~

Personally I really hate the Black Spirit...
I do not own Cellia on Nutaku , so F***
I'm screwed~

Although I am just being hyprocite here , LOL
Her 4% isn't really something with My suck Luck
But I guess having her is still better than not >.>

 

[Nattorei]

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Idk what this Vepar is, but Revival maps are supposed to be harder than the original maps, though or at least that's what I've been told unless they changed that. I recall Claudia's revival G map has these crazy powerful skeleton dragons.

Revivals these days typically include *the addition* of a special new G map that, judging by tradition and the map's cost, is supposed to be incredibly difficult. However, the original maps do not get harder in any way. I don't know which side of the fence you're on, but I had to say this.

Enemy buffs are very, very rare. The sahuagin is one; the rest, if any, can be counted on one hand.

 

[Rawr1125]

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lol

I know DAT feel~

My highest is surprisingly Gellius-Jerome-Mehlis

And anyway.... raising Black is hard You know....
145K EXP , PA probably easier now
If You can atleast 2* G and if RNGsus is kind~

Personally I really hate the Black Spirit...
I do not own Cellia on Nutaku , so F***
I'm screwed~

Although I am just being hyprocite here , LOL
Her 4% isn't really something with My suck Luck
But I guess having her is still better than not >.>

The funny thing though, I have enough black spirits/exp armors to raise a couple of them to 80 for AW. But Sybilla's tits are just SO SMALL. I CAN"T BRING MYSELF TO DO IT.