(Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)
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You still have to AW them! Cuterie can shoot magic cards and Monica has a minigun!
Meanwhile, I rolled the highest rarity on another game, but it turns out to be one of the worst in the game, borderline unusable. What false luck do I have.
You still have to AW them! Cuterie can shoot magic cards and Monica has a minigun!
So today I got 5 SC just from cleaning up 3*ing the last few story missions, and did a premium summon. This girl was added to my glorious harem today:
This makes 4 black units: Her, Mikoto, Clissa, and Aisha. My luck is out of this world.
Meanwhile, I rolled the highest rarity on another game, but it turns out to be one of the worst in the game, borderline unusable. What false luck do I have.
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The worst kind of false luck, the kind that gives you hope and then destroys it.
The worst kind of false luck, the kind that gives you hope and then destroys it.
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Funny thing is: I use Thetis where others use Princesses xD Don't forget she has increase Attack IV and goes easily beyond 1000 Atk (how much beyond depends on her skill level of course)
Actually I think Themis is quite alright with awakening ability and awakened skill. It's just too much to invest before she gets useable
Funny thing is: I use Thetis where others use Princesses xD Don't forget she has increase Attack IV and goes easily beyond 1000 Atk (how much beyond depends on her skill level of course)
Actually I think Themis is quite alright with awakening ability and awakened skill. It's just too much to invest before she gets useable
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That moment when one doesn't know and can't decide if one should lvl up more already developed units or AW some new or CC some of the recently added classes... Damn...
@danryd, congratz on black!
That moment when one doesn't know and can't decide if one should lvl up more already developed units or AW some new or CC some of the recently added classes... Damn...
@danryd, congratz on black!
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Well we still have a couple of weeks till the next event, also there is the thing that we don't know when we'll get another so time to raise units you have it in spare. I train 1 CC unit a week a ready/go for AW, last week was Len turn, Cuterie before (haven't AW), i belive this next week is gonna be Shuuka or Charlotte, then i'll go for Horus, Roana or Waltz. The only resourse that seems to be a problem are silvers :/
Well we still have a couple of weeks till the next event, also there is the thing that we don't know when we'll get another so time to raise units you have it in spare. I train 1 CC unit a week a ready/go for AW, last week was Len turn, Cuterie before (haven't AW), i belive this next week is gonna be Shuuka or Charlotte, then i'll go for Horus, Roana or Waltz. The only resourse that seems to be a problem are silvers :/
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has that guy been saving that article for a year? things have already changed. they have already brought in loli's to osawari and aigis.
they even undid some of their censorships.
has that guy been saving that article for a year? things have already changed. they have already brought in loli's to osawari and aigis.
they even undid some of their censorships.
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*shrug*
It's impossible to tell at this point whether our missing units are more to blame on the Nutaku side or the Japanese Dev Team side, but in either case Nutaku wants to restore some if not all of them. They've specifically mentioned Mischa as an example.
I absolutely prefer disclosure -- every consumer should. But Nutaku as a whole has been very responsive to its community and seems to be scaling back censorship. The concern here is that they are also removing evidence that censorship is or was ever there.
Personally, the amount that I care is based on my options. For Aigis, my options are DMM or Nutaku. If there was another english Aigis out there with a better content delivery system, little/no censorship and full disclosure, I'd check it out. The problem is there isn't, and there probably won't ever be legally.
So for the purposes of this thread, my reaction to that is *shrug*
Having said that, there's no reason not to support other companies that do offer disclosure for other products, such as the downloadable games section. Many of those are not Nutaku-exclusive.
*shrug*
It's impossible to tell at this point whether our missing units are more to blame on the Nutaku side or the Japanese Dev Team side, but in either case Nutaku wants to restore some if not all of them. They've specifically mentioned Mischa as an example.
I absolutely prefer disclosure -- every consumer should. But Nutaku as a whole has been very responsive to its community and seems to be scaling back censorship. The concern here is that they are also removing evidence that censorship is or was ever there.
Personally, the amount that I care is based on my options. For Aigis, my options are DMM or Nutaku. If there was another english Aigis out there with a better content delivery system, little/no censorship and full disclosure, I'd check it out. The problem is there isn't, and there probably won't ever be legally.
So for the purposes of this thread, my reaction to that is *shrug*
Having said that, there's no reason not to support other companies that do offer disclosure for other products, such as the downloadable games section. Many of those are not Nutaku-exclusive.
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That DMCA C&D arrived about week ago.
Did you even read it? He writes about Nutaku's ongoing effort to silence all criticism and remove all evidence of their wrongdoings by abusing laws.
That DMCA C&D arrived about week ago.
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It's moreso a history lesson to current day, current day being Nutaku trying to hide their history. Going out of your way doing things like filing false DMCAs and refusing to comment on questions isn't a positive thing. If anything what they should be doing is acknowledging that they had that past and show what the present is. Trying to hide your history seems dishonest to me.
I've actually been meaning to login to Angelic Saga to see if all the censored cards there have been reverted or not. I should really do that sometime.
Edit: Decided to check out Angelic Saga to check the altered cards, they're still censored. I'm not surprised to be honest.
It's moreso a history lesson to current day, current day being Nutaku trying to hide their history. Going out of your way doing things like filing false DMCAs and refusing to comment on questions isn't a positive thing. If anything what they should be doing is acknowledging that they had that past and show what the present is. Trying to hide your history seems dishonest to me.
I've actually been meaning to login to Angelic Saga to see if all the censored cards there have been reverted or not. I should really do that sometime.
Edit: Decided to check out Angelic Saga to check the altered cards, they're still censored. I'm not surprised to be honest.
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That is my best response. People get worked up over anything, the smallest, most insignificant things. I'm not denying that is may be an issue, but I feel like it is an issue not worth discussing or even paying mind to.
Even if Nutaku are completely in the wrong, what do you expect? People have been playing cover-up for their mistakes for probably just as long as humans have existed. And no, that isn't an excuse to be bad, but it is an unavoidable fact. It is how it is.
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That is my best response. People get worked up over anything, the smallest, most insignificant things. I'm not denying that is may be an issue, but I feel like it is an issue not worth discussing or even paying mind to.
Even if Nutaku are completely in the wrong, what do you expect? People have been playing cover-up for their mistakes for probably just as long as humans have existed. And no, that isn't an excuse to be bad, but it is an unavoidable fact. It is how it is.
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Some people are serious about their lolis. Being anti-loli myself, I was fine not having to spend our precious few events on any of them, but I suppose I can just mulch them if I ever pull them and let the others have their fun.
Some people are serious about their lolis. Being anti-loli myself, I was fine not having to spend our precious few events on any of them, but I suppose I can just mulch them if I ever pull them and let the others have their fun.
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I don't see the point of them playing dumb. They know their censorship reputation is already bad, so trying to hide it is obviously just going to make them look worse. Of course, they've done stupider things before.
Loli issue aside, most of their games are fairly vanilla as is, and even then, a lot of the more rape-y scenes get their context censored as well. See: FKG's Lechenaultia, a clearly adult girl (with a childish personality), whose scene is literally about forcefully publicly humiliating the girl (via open-window sex) because she keeps comparing you to her first love, so you use hentai logic to make her forget about all that with the dick. The lines where she clearly voices her dissent are changed to a more positive spin, if not mean the complete opposite of what she's saying. It's not the first time they've done this, and I doubt it'll be the last.
Maybe this is all just another internal "it's complicated" thing, maybe not. I doubt any of us really care at this point and just want them to cut the bullshit.
Now, given the kind of game Aigis is, or rather, how fairly lacking in hentai it is compared to the others, I doubt this issue will affect it much. Aisha alone was probably the most iffy case, and we got through that fine. But for their other games and their future rep, they really ought to be sensible with how they proceed.
tl;dr: The censorship is basically a given at this point. It's been there since day one, even if it isn't as easily noticeable, as with the aforementioned dialogue changes. But at this level, Aigis and FKG don't really suffer for it... for now (example: Belinda and Cloris being stepmother/daughter in a trivial non-issue). Realistically, the point is, what we should be putting our foot down on is cut content and shitty censorship picture edits, as in the case with Osawari and presumably GK. Feel free to nitpick on whatever else once that part is down. Me, personally, I want FKG devs to fix the past few h-scenes randomly being in third-person instead of first-person.
In the meantime...
I don't see the point of them playing dumb. They know their censorship reputation is already bad, so trying to hide it is obviously just going to make them look worse. Of course, they've done stupider things before.
Loli issue aside, most of their games are fairly vanilla as is, and even then, a lot of the more rape-y scenes get their context censored as well. See: FKG's Lechenaultia, a clearly adult girl (with a childish personality), whose scene is literally about forcefully publicly humiliating the girl (via open-window sex) because she keeps comparing you to her first love, so you use hentai logic to make her forget about all that with the dick. The lines where she clearly voices her dissent are changed to a more positive spin, if not mean the complete opposite of what she's saying. It's not the first time they've done this, and I doubt it'll be the last.
Maybe this is all just another internal "it's complicated
" thing, maybe not. I doubt any of us really care at this point and just want them to cut the bullshit.Now, given the kind of game Aigis is, or rather, how fairly lacking in hentai it is compared to the others, I doubt this issue will affect it much. Aisha alone was probably the most iffy case, and we got through that fine. But for their other games and their future rep, they really ought to be sensible with how they proceed.
tl;dr: The censorship is basically a given at this point. It's been there since day one, even if it isn't as easily noticeable, as with the aforementioned dialogue changes. But at this level, Aigis and FKG don't really suffer for it... for now (example: Belinda and Cloris being stepmother/daughter in a trivial non-issue). Realistically, the point is, what we should be putting our foot down on is cut content and shitty censorship picture edits, as in the case with Osawari and presumably GK. Feel free to nitpick on whatever else once that part is down. Me, personally, I want FKG devs to fix the past few h-scenes randomly being in third-person instead of first-person.
In the meantime...
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The backpedaling in that thread from Nutaku are insane. Claiming they would never file a DMCA on images included in a review, when that's exactly what they did. Then accusing the OP of lying about having a link to a review in the thread and mocking him in comments. There's so much wrong with that.
It'll be very interesting to see if they actually revert the DMCA's they made on those posts.
The backpedaling in that thread from Nutaku are insane. Claiming they would never file a DMCA on images included in a review, when that's exactly what they did. Then accusing the OP of lying about having a link to a review in the thread and mocking him in comments. There's so much wrong with that.
It'll be very interesting to see if they actually revert the DMCA's they made on those posts.
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Well I already skip every H scene in MWA. Completely unnecessary part of the game for me.
Annnnd I have 0 interest in everything else Nutaku serves other than MWA.
So as long as they get us the units and events, I'm fine with w/e.
Well I already skip every H scene in MWA. Completely unnecessary part of the game for me.
Annnnd I have 0 interest in everything else Nutaku serves other than MWA.
So as long as they get us the units and events, I'm fine with w/e.
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It's the source of the images that matter. Many comparisons were drawn from galleries that host the entire set of CGs. Those galleries should be subject to a DMCA. They are flat-out copyright infringement. It's pirated images plain and simple (images hosted without the consent or their artist).
Even if they are being used in a way that is protected by fair use (i.e. linked in a review) the source itself is not fair use. That is what that post is saying -- they did and should DMCA image galleries and other sources that are not exclusive to fair use. Further, they are claiming that in order to not DMCA fair use images, those images should be clear that their source and material is specifically for the purpose of fair use -- i.e. hosted on the review's site itself, and/or not full high-res quality.
I don't implicitly trust Nutaku, but I can see both sides of the issue. That last part could be complete B.S. They may have intentionally or unintentionally DMCA'd images that qualified as fair use from legitimate sources. That is what the article claims and I don't have a specific reason to distrust that. The thing is that I can understand why it would happen.
This reminds me of when people were posting complaints on their facebook page and were seemingly outraged when Nutaku removed them. Of course they removed them, Nutaku is a business and their facebook is one of their advertising boards. You can call it censorship if you want, but I don't think any business is going to ignore spray paint on their store front because they want to "protect the free speech of their critics."
It's the source of the images that matter. Many comparisons were drawn from galleries that host the entire set of CGs. Those galleries should be subject to a DMCA. They are flat-out copyright infringement. It's pirated images plain and simple (images hosted without the consent or their artist).
Even if they are being used in a way that is protected by fair use (i.e. linked in a review) the source itself is not fair use. That is what that post is saying -- they did and should DMCA image galleries and other sources that are not exclusive to fair use. Further, they are claiming that in order to not DMCA fair use images, those images should be clear that their source and material is specifically for the purpose of fair use -- i.e. hosted on the review's site itself, and/or not full high-res quality.
I don't implicitly trust Nutaku, but I can see both sides of the issue. That last part could be complete B.S. They may have intentionally or unintentionally DMCA'd images that qualified as fair use from legitimate sources. That is what the article claims and I don't have a specific reason to distrust that. The thing is that I can understand why it would happen.
This reminds me of when people were posting complaints on their facebook page and were seemingly outraged when Nutaku removed them. Of course they removed them, Nutaku is a business and their facebook is one of their advertising boards. You can call it censorship if you want, but I don't think any business is going to ignore spray paint on their store front because they want to "protect the free speech of their critics."
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"Source" and all other bullshit you just wrote are completely irrelevant, Nutaku sent C&D to sanahtlig's gallery with few comparison images which were properly attributed, in full compliance with DMCA fair use clauses, not some random "gallery of full CG set".
Go educate yourself on DMCA so your posts wouldn't be so damn embarrassing.
"Source" and all other bullshit you just wrote are completely irrelevant, Nutaku sent C&D to sanahtlig's gallery with few comparison images which were properly attributed, in full compliance with DMCA fair use clauses, not some random "gallery of full CG set".
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Hey, so why don't we NOT bitch back and forth about an issue that has relatively little (Not going to say nothing) to do with this game and playing it? I come here to see how/what other guys are doing and get advice, check out if Lafate has any news for updates/events, along with the occasional brag.
I don't come here to see people getting into cyclical arguments about some random scandal or whatnot that Nutaku is involved in, along with other dude who claims (Because until I am given legitimate proof by the involved parties or my own investigations into this stuff it is just that, a claim.) to have been given a false/improper DMCA citation.
So enough of that sort of thing please. I have faith that once Nutaku gets hold of the reins for MWA that we will be receiving what we currently are missing, and this whole issue will have been largely pointless to waste our time on. If I am proven wrong, then go ahead and say "I told you so", but don't come in and out of nowhere post something that (to me) seems like the sole purpose of it was to get this sort of needless argument started.
That's just me and my (perpetually non-confrontational self) two cents on the matter, so could we please get back to talking about something interesting related directly to the game itself. How about any lucky gacha pulls recently? I know I've had luck, but what about you all?
, and later.
Hey, so why don't we NOT bitch back and forth about an issue that has relatively little (Not going to say nothing) to do with this game and playing it? I come here to see how/what other guys are doing and get advice, check out if Lafate has any news for updates/events, along with the occasional brag.
I don't come here to see people getting into cyclical arguments about some random scandal or whatnot that Nutaku is involved in, along with other dude who claims (Because until I am given legitimate proof by the involved parties or my own investigations into this stuff it is just that, a claim.) to have been given a false/improper DMCA citation.
So enough of that sort of thing please. I have faith that once Nutaku gets hold of the reins for MWA that we will be receiving what we currently are missing, and this whole issue will have been largely pointless to waste our time on. If I am proven wrong, then go ahead and say "I told you so", but don't come in and out of nowhere post something that (to me) seems like the sole purpose of it was to get this sort of needless argument started.
That's just me and my (perpetually non-confrontational self) two cents on the matter, so could we please get back to talking about something interesting related directly to the game itself. How about any lucky gacha pulls recently? I know I've had luck, but what about you all?
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