Opinion on GoR

[Casual19]

Re: Opinion on GoR

What you're describing in your Win case is not a GoR, because there is no Game Over in it, it's just a scripted rape scene.

I never said my win scenario was GoR, but either way it doesn't change how I feel about scripted scenes where if you win the heroine gets raped anyway. Thats just not my cup of tea I suppose.

Logically speaking, losing to the tentacle monster should result in a scene with the girl getting raped. Not winning.

Now if you want to throw in scripted story hentai scenes, I'm okay with those. Just not those where I have to beat the big bad monster to see the protagonist get raped by said monster. That should be something that happens when I lose.

Again this is just my opinion, and I'm not saying every hentai game should be handled like this. I'm just saying I don't think GoR or RoL needs to be labeled as a bad thing and needs to go away.

 

[TitanAnteus]

Re: Opinion on GoR

You say its good to be a short hard game that requires "skill"
But the games useually unlock nothing except the same rewards that you would have gotten beforehand by delibiratly failing.

The difficulty of the game is just the long hard way of getting something you would get just by failing at the game.

It fundamentally fails as a game mechanic. You are basically being rewarded for NOT playing the game properly.

Then how do you meet new enemies?

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IMO, games that works with their H scenes, feeding into them and propelling the plot out of them are the most rewarding experiences.

I feel like you were trying to make a reply to something but since you didn't quote anyone I have no idea where your thought process originates.

But I do have a statement regarding games that do as you say. If you feed the h-scenes in as part of the gameplay you're pretty limited on how you can handle the story and the tone of the world you're building. Sometimes people just want to make games that also have adult content and you can't really do that, if you've focused that heavily on feeding the adult stuff at you.

I think that's why regular VNs are more popular than Nukige.

TBH, I really do like BattleFuck type games so I'm not saying I don't understand where you're coming from. Having adult elements as an all-constant, but I think the range of adult games needs to be wide and home to all levels of lewd.

 

[B00marrows]

Re: Opinion on GoR

Then how do you meet new enemies?

Its pretty simple, you go to each enemy and "die".

You dont even have to beat the final boss, just die to it and unlock it.

Why even try when the porn is for failing?

 

[TitanAnteus]

Re: Opinion on GoR

Its pretty simple, you go to each enemy and "die".

You dont even have to beat the final boss, just die to it and unlock it.

Why even try when the porn is for failing?

You misunderstand. I said how do you meet "New" enemies?

The answer is to progress and get good at the game's mechanics.

If you reach the final boss in GOR type games, you've met all the enemies, but then you'll want to beat the game for the satisfaction of proving your proficiency at the game.

 

[B00marrows]

Re: Opinion on GoR

The answer is to progress and get good at the game's mechanics.

Kinda limiting when most of these games are platformers with dodgey hitboxes, flakey controlls. Combined with dull, slow and repetative gameplay.
Useually mashed together with some attempted "story" that nobody gives a fuck about.

Im being melodrematic.
Im hardly saying all these games are like this, im just saying this "mechanic" is easy to make, easy to reproduce, a poor choice especially as a sole mechanic to a game and is such a bore.

 

[TitanAnteus]

Re: Opinion on GoR

Kinda limiting when most of these games are platformers with dodgey hitboxes, flakey controlls. Combined with dull, slow and repetative gameplay.
Useually mashed together with some attempted "story" that nobody gives a fuck about.

Im being melodrematic.
Im hardly saying all these games are like this, im just saying this "mechanic" is easy to make, easy to reproduce, a poor choice especially as a sole mechanic to a game and is such a bore.

And I'm saying it has its uses.

The mechanic allows for you to make an otherwise normal game tone and add adult elements to it (which helps play well with the roleplaying aspect.) It allows you to give players the best of both worlds when it comes to the satisfaction of progressing and meeting new enemies and lessening the salt of losing. It allows for consistent storytelling in RPGs as you don't have to worry about the branching paths of loss. MGQ would not have nearly an amazing story w/o GOR.

Also, quite literally everything is technically "easy" to reproduce, and to me, it being a "bore" to you is your only real argument against it. And that's completely subjective.

 

[B00marrows]

Re: Opinion on GoR

And that's completely subjective.

Everything is subjective, that is how real opinions are formed.

Im not "arguing", nor am i stating any "facts". Im doing nothing more than sharing my opinion.

 

[TitanAnteus]

Re: Opinion on GoR

Everything is subjective, that is how real opinions are formed.

Im not "arguing", nor am i stating any "facts". Im doing nothing more than sharing my opinion.

I think there are variable levels of subjectivity. Of course, I've only taken your statements as your opinion, but statements like.

"It fundamentally fails as a game mechanic. You are basically being rewarded for NOT playing the game properly. "

Are objectively false.

To me, it seems like you personally have a hate-boner for the existence of GOR and I'm just trying to convince you personally that it has it's uses and that developers choosing to use it can still make good adult games with it.

 

[B00marrows]

Re: Opinion on GoR

I think there are variable levels of subjectivity. Of course, I've only taken your statements as your opinion, but statements like.

"It fundamentally fails as a game mechanic. You are basically being rewarded for NOT playing the game properly. "

Are objectively false.

Ah see this is why you bring up stuff like this, this is more what i should have said:
"Fundamentally it fails as a game mechanic. You are basically being rewarded for NOT playing a game properly."
I also never noted anything about the porn side of it, which it does work on.

To me, it seems like you personally have a hate-boner for the existence of GOR and I'm just trying to convince you personally that it has it's uses and that developers choosing to use it can still make good adult games with it.

Existance? no.
I feel it could be used properly, likely not on its own.

Fundamentally it comes down to "game over" by logic being a failure state, not the means to get "rewarded".

It somewhat reminds me of "rouge-like" games. In those games you are not "rewarded" for failure, but for success. Thats where the difficulty/reward is balanced.
In these GOR games you are not really rewarded by showing skill.

 

[LewdLogic]

Re: Opinion on GoR

GoR has always felt like a piece of the pie instead of the whole to me.
While narratively there are times where it makes sense, I suspect the reason why some titles are just GoR is because it's just easier to accomplish.

The true answer to me is both CR and GoR; usually games that deliver both of these tends to get the most accolades from the community and do the best on DLsite.

Even though VH will never be finished, people still obsess over it because conceptually its a title that a lot of people jive with (even if its outdated, glitchy, has sparse and badly excuted combat, ect).

Another good example is Corruption of Champions, which is so popular at this point that if fostred it's own community it the first palce, outside of Fenoxo.
Imagine how giddy everyone would be if a fully realized 3D version of that text-game was created and was halfway decent.

 

[imercenary]

Re: Opinion on GoR

The poll options are so janky.

I picked "I don't prefer it, but I don't hate it, I'm just here for the H." because I don't prefer it, but I'm not always here for the H.

I don't prefer GoR because its contrived. The player shouldn't need to "lose and get raped" just to have sex, nor should you meet some arbitrary requirement to be a serial rapist (why the hell do I need to raise my lust level just fuck a someone who wants to fuck me anyway?)

But I'm also not just here for the H. Ignoring the extreme exceptions (ie. MGQ's story), most H games don't have good H in the first place (which get stripped out and posted on gallery sites anyway ) so I honestly play them for the gameplay (if they're worth it).