RPG RPG Maker Vore Loli Shota [Toro Toro Resistance] もんむす・くえすと! ぱらどっくすRPG中章 / Monster Girl Quest: Paradox (RJ201109)

[Rascal]

very intersting
I had Luka use a sword until now because of his Custom Sword .. was thinking that maybe it will grow into a really powerful weapon
So I focused on Swordmaster/Powerfighter etc. pretty much every pure meele class
Was about to change him into Paladin/Temple Knight and have him deal Holy Damage besides Alice Dark skills because he doesn't deal as much as the others
maybe that's one of my main problems, that I try a lot of classes in hope to get good skills or passives that I won't need/use anyway
even with his heroism aoe skills he is hitting the enemy with around 8-18k .. and his multi hitter only deal around 2-5k each .. while Alice Dark skills hit with 11k and can crit with 30k+
that's probably why I gave up on him in my first run .. never tried Spears though
or maybe it is just really easy to boost magic stat but I don't get his atk stat high enough

That's what I meant above .. the most taxing part of the game is the race/job system .. I'm bad at sticking to one composition and try a lot of stuff
guess I'll make Luka a Holy damage dealer with spear skills in my next run? but Holy use Dex or Will and Spear use Att or Agi .. at least the ones I know right now
I'm really, really bad at figuring out what I want, with that much possible combinations

And Superstar with Dancing and Singing skills is just a really good supporter
Hustle Dance is pretty much a heal that is always going first so even when your team is low you can heal them before additional damage comes in, she can double xp, and give +50% offense, +50%defense, +50% elemental dmg (excluding bio and sonic) and give bonus regen to life, mp and sp .. I use a lowly Apoptosis for it because they are almost immpossible to stun/bind etc.

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I think having a character that can heal and support your party with that much immunity has no downsides beside not dealing any damage
but tbh that may only be useful in higher difficulties .. the only thing I don't lke is that her unique ability has no use at all with that job .. maybe Jehlaila (the harp) would be a better choice for this...

and for Ninja, at least mine is dealing ok-ish damage right now, but you are right that they have almost no scaling .. the damage she is dealing now is not much more than she did 15 level ago
but to level up a new character so late in the game ... I guess I would just switch her with some of the Story chars like the Grangold King..

That being said, the part about Ilias changing in her story is rather interesting
I should really stick with her for a whole playthrough I guess
don't know the whole story yet .. but if it's true that she has a lot going on at the end of part 2 .. I hope Alice will get her fair share in Part 3 to compensate
I just really want to have my first time playing part3 with Alice to be as close to the original History as possible
but seeing everything from Ilias perspective will be intersting as well .. well .. I probably still have month to prepare my 2 files
and even if they release part3 this year .. it will sadly take a few month more for a proper translation considering that the third part is going to be as big as 1 and 2 combined

for me the main reason to play with Alice - not counting that she is obiously the right choice if we are going for a close history run - will be the interaction between her and Nero+Neris
I can't wait to *chrm* play around with Neris in part 3 .. will make space in my team comp for her for sure

About Alma Elma .. can I also recruit her in Ilias Story?
I think I remember that I can recruit the 4 Knights only in Alice and the Angels only in Ilias story .. which makes perfect sense
That's a lewdown for me because as you said, she is definitly the best monster in the game .. and I don't mean her damage .. but Neris is giving her a run for her sem-.. money
it also feels like Neris and Nero could be exclusive to Alice story too ... or maybe they are for both path because they are more interested in Luka than his companion

either way, I'm rambling too much and I hate myself for never being able to write a quick reply and always dragging on and on
thanks again for the info, Mister Unsaid - it will come in handy in my Ilias playthrough
since I can get the Angels only in her story it would be a waste not to use them

 

[4lurk3r]

I get how people can think this game is exhausting, I really get it. It's a very serious game with an obscene number of job classes, races and party members each with differing passives and whatnot. It does scratch my grinding itch, but until you can access the good grinding spots (B1F of first chapter final dungeon occasionally spawns mimics; Mimic Island and Coloseum in second chapter) you probably shouldn't grind too much.

Informant Luka: I can see the logic. The Talk job classes give early-ish access to skills that paralyze/stun/freeze the entire enemy party, so combined with Luka's constant access to Talk he can consistently serve as a possible debuffer. You'll probably want a more dedicated talker for the higher level talk jobs, like Amira or the Painting Girl.

Shizuku, Little Oni: pretty meh, but is definitely a fairly decent Ajin gotten early, with an easy-to-use innate and the 3rd highest ATK of all Ajin (1st is Ox-Queen, 2nd is a tie between Oni Girl, Yamata no Orochi and Goblin). Oni Girl is definitely the stronger hammer-user though.

Gob is really fast and has surprisingly high stats (and will likely get an upgrade if OG MGQ's chapter 3 is to be believed), Vanilla has lowish stats but is the only Vampire available until midway through chapter 2, and unlocks the Pocket Castle's shop. Also, the 4 lil' kiddies get a boost if they're in the frontline together.

Ninjutsu: there was a point where Ninjutsu was mistakenly coded to have half the power of other skills, but I'm not sure if it's fixed yet.

Sing/Dance: Probably the best support skill tree in the game. Doesn't just provide buffs (AoE buffs from songs are gained much faster than AoE buffs from White Mage), but can also scatter debuffs that can stunlock most fights. Sea-creature, Lamia and Doll lines particularly learn extremely powerful exclusive dances and songs including Dragon Palace Dance, Daisy Bell, and Mechanical Dance. A good strategy for a good chunk of chapter 1-2 is to have someone spam Sexy Dance or Sparkle~ while the rest of your team does whatever.

Luka: he's definitely in a disadvantage right now, since the Hero job tree is stuck at tier 2 as of chapter 2 (most other job trees have tier 3). That said, his stats are high, his exclusive Custom Sword eventually gets ridiculous stats, and his innate means that if you put him in critical health he'll do massive damage (up to 3x) with Heroism skills. You'll definitely need to train him in various jobs if you want him to be DPS though, like Swordsman/Spellsword/Tao Swordsman lines for swording, Martial Artist/Spellfist for crit chance, Hero of Justice for Transform, Power Fighter for Power Charge. As a general rule of thumb, stacking buffs (say Transform+Attack Song+Spellsword Fire+Daisy Bell+Power Charge) gives stupid damage numbers, and Luka has the advantage of getting to use Sylph/Gnome/Undine/Salamander (ESPECIALLY Salamander) without having to train in Summoner.

Spears: alongside Fists, one of the easier to use weapons because high AGI and AGI-scaling damage, as written above. Bonus points for learning AoE Holy/Dark skills at tier 3. Heavy Spears do massive damage if the enemy has an AGI debuff or is under Slow/Stop, Fists do higher damage on crits.

I can probably go on, but there's so much I don't know where to start.

Most monstergirls have a couple things they're good at though. You can usually make do with your favourites, at least if you're not doing shenanigans like LoC, Black Alice or Reaper.

 

[neutral]

What? Why? Luka will always have the talk skill, it's his unique ability. He gets nothing out of being an informant. It's better if other characters are informants so that you have multiple talk actions per turn. Making Luka an informant is redundant.

I should correct *was* in early game before i had a full grasp of the systems. he's been a hero since i got that class. he's a powerhouse. id move to hero of justice, but i want to max out hero in case something good comes after. unless you can verify that isnt the case.
being informant for a while has proved useful as he does have other talking skills like story telling.

 

[TheUnsaid]

About Alma Elma .. can I also recruit her in Ilias Story?
I think I remember that I can recruit the 4 Knights only in Alice and the Angels only in Ilias story .. which makes perfect sense
That's a lewdown for me because as you said, she is definitly the best monster in the game .. and I don't mean her damage .. but Neris is giving her a run for her sem-.. money
it also feels like Neris and Nero could be exclusive to Alice story too ... or maybe they are for both path because they are more interested in Luka than his companion

You can recruit Alma Elma in Illias's story. She doesn't have story significance. She's just an extra monster that joins for no reason.

Most monstergirls have a couple things they're good at though. You can usually make do with your favourites, at least if you're not doing shenanigans like LoC, Black Alice or Reaper.

Honestly. There are only a few bad ones, and not because the developer designed them to be bad, but because their passives don't support strategies that take into account speed for sustain.

I can probably go on, but there's so much I don't know where to start.

Yeah, I remember thinking MGQ: Paradox Part 2 was my favorite JRPG of the year it came out. I couldn't put it in any tier list discussions on reddit or anything cause you know. Who da fuck plays these games in normieland.

 

[helltauros]

Nothing in particular. I think he just likes her. She's pretty slow, and has relatively low health for most monsters in the same class. Most of the newer monsters you get around the end of Part 2 are just objectively better. Better stats, and better unique abilities.

Yup I like oni girl thats why, but also she can have the effect of berserk Twice (from special ability and from the mask also the mask gives her two attacks per turn) + dual wielding clubs and unique club skills I dont know if Eiherjarl stacks the berserker buff but at least gives her infinite SP.
I like cute oni girls (like shuna from the slime tensei anime)
in part one she was great in the LoC and a heavy hitter against Reaper. Also her berserker status is pretty good she does the best possible attack (most of the times) I just have to be careful of apoptosis with phys repel.

She can be carefree about her hp because of the dancers stuning my opponents

 

[TheUnsaid]

Yup I like oni girl thats why, but also she can have the effect of berserk Twice (from special ability and from the mask also the mask gives her two attacks per turn) + dual wielding clubs and unique club skills I dont know if Eiherjarl stacks the berserker buff but at least gives her infinite SP.
I like cute oni girls (like shuna from the slime tensei anime)
in part one she was great in the LoC and a heavy hitter against Reaper. Also her berserker status is pretty good she does the best possible attack (most of the times) I just have to be careful of apoptosis with phys repel.

She can be carefree about her hp because of the dancers stuning my opponents

Berserk naturally gives you two attacks, I'm not sure but you can get the berserker special ability inside a job class so it's not unique to her. In fact, Frederika. Chrome's favorite zombie uses berserk much better I think because she has insanely high health and Att stat, but also has high Agi so she'll go first.

Not saying you shouldn't use the character you like, because I personally think the point of these collecting ally type games is to just stick to the chars you like and damn the meta.

I personally just find enjoyment out of learning game systems and making powerful strategies. It's why I like card games like YuGiOh and the Super Dimension Awakening Laboratory's Succubus Reborn.

 

[helltauros]

Berserk naturally gives you two attacks, I'm not sure but you can get the berserker special ability inside a job class so it's not unique to her. In fact, Frederika. Chrome's favorite zombie uses berserk much better I think because she has insanely high health and Att stat, but also has high Agi so she'll go first.

Not saying you shouldn't use the character you like, because I personally think the point of these collecting ally type games is to just stick to the chars you like and damn the meta.

I personally just find enjoyment out of learning game systems and making powerful strategies. It's why I like card games like YuGiOh and the Super Dimension Awakening Laboratory's Succubus Reborn.

yeah I noticed I changed her build in part 2 still she has 2 advantages 1 she has a lot of SP so is hard for her to run dry 2 she crits a lot
Frederika is cool I also ised her, I tried a lot of allies including but not limiting to.
rat girl
wolf girl
Vanilla (is a great support for my team and a decent mage)
lime
Ragora (intoxicating pitcher plant and sexy dance are a great combo)
centaur part 1 its pretty good with her spear skills
fairies good full elemental mages that strike twice with nature skills
lizard bandit boss
yamata no orochi (easily the strongest of the 4 guardians of directions)
sphinx (great magic user)
queen harpy (cute fast and deadly)
former queen harpy (similar to lucretia but less cute
mini (sky dancer)
harpy twins
papi (was good on the early game but got behind fast)
bandersnatch girl (good but not great)
Kamuro (versatile)
Chrome (I abussed of Vicarious Clara on part 1)
Alice (she alredy mastered all her basic races + elf thanks to promestein)

 

[Rascal]

there is a new post on their ci-en page talking about some Archangel twins (sry, it's late for me and I won't try to make any real sense of some google translate now)
guess we will get some more posts featuring the rest of the big cast before we get some kind of release date
if they feature one archangel per month now that would leave us with 5 month
maybe more, when there are even more big shots to reveal, or less, when they promote more then one like this time

I guess it's not unrealistic to say it could be released at the start of '21
my bet would be march, but I'd be happy with january release or even a 'white christmas'

 

[Lazyrick]

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Twin angels with the strongest battle power in the angel worlds 7 angels. They always act together, and specialize in combo attack Alone, they are said to have the strength of 1/2 of an Ancestor, but when they work together, their strength isn't merely doubled. When Metatrone and Sandalphone work together, it's said they can use a powerful unification art.

When M and S work together, they can use an energy shooting attack known as "Atomic Heaven". It's power is comparable to Micaela's "Sword of the Heavens" and Lucifina's "Morning-star". Since it can be fired repeatedly, it's known to have the greatest firepower in the Heavenly forces. The reason why such high output was made possible is that the twin angels possess nuclear power. However their possession of a fusion reactor is unique among angels, and so the creation process is unclear.

In the Angel world, they have been charged by Ilias to govern the continent of Hellgondo. There exist no city on this continent that was once home to the Dark Goddess, only a sole cathedral. While Metatrone and Sandalphone are tasked with managing the area, it is also said that they are hunting for remnants of the Dark Goddess Army that might still exist. furthermore, there are rumors of a research lab under the direct command of Ilias located on this continent. The twin angels are said to be the leaders of the lab. The mysterious twins are even rumored to having been produced from the research from this lab.

The Sisters never separate from each other, even when "enjoying" a man, they do so together. The captured man becomes a comforter for both Metatrone and Sandalphone, endlessly being accosted by the twins.
Disclaimer: rookie translator, grain of salt, yadayadayada.

 

[goldendark]

so what a good class that fit Illias as a character dont want the best class for her just a class that fits her, an example in case your wondering what i asking for luka is a hero that the class that fits him as a character i kinda want to role-play classes that fit there characters the best.

 

[TheUnsaid]

so what a good class that fit Illias as a character dont want the best class for her just a class that fits her, an example in case your wondering what i asking for luka is a hero that the class that fits him as a character i kinda want to role-play classes that fit there characters the best.

All of them actually.

Illias gets lust moves like all angels so she can work as a prostitute.

She gets light magic naturally so she can work as a white mage.

She comes off as cocky so she can work as a black mage.

Even the archery into taming lines work in my head. She has all around great stats, and you'll be making use of her passive no matter what because of her unique and racial skills. Just do what you want.

 

[helltauros]

All of them actually.

Illias gets lust moves like all angels so she can work as a prostitute.

She gets light magic naturally so she can work as a white mage.

She comes off as cocky so she can work as a black mage.

Even the archery into taming lines work in my head. She has all around great stats, and you'll be making use of her passive no matter what because of her unique and racial skills. Just do what you want.

I use her as a healer most of the time, but as a monster tamer is pretty funny to use whip skills are good

 

[Rascal]

I used Ilias as a White/Holy Mage too
she is not really healing but her Holy spells use Will to deal damage so it was a nice fit.. 1000% damage on all foes with ascension possibility
and against angels she uses her holy pleasure skills
in my book, the best healer is still the dancer/superstar because of the extra speed
with standart healing spells it is very possible, that the enemy kills you before your healer can even heal (oneshots not included)

And Luka .. well, in my last post I was complaining about how I can't manage to deal any damage with him but after I learned Battle Master, he became one of my best damage dealers
now he is a Monster Swordsman / Valkyie L. and I'm happy with that
it even fits in a RP-perspective because he is already learning Monster Skills from Alice. She said that the Monster Lord need to grant special permission though .. so maybe it fits more as an apprentice?

 

[4lurk3r]

Ilias' innate passive gives her half MP cost on pretty much all Holy-element skills, which is a pretty huge chunk of the things Angels learn, but you get even more [Holy] skills in the Paladin/Godhand (Martial Artist+Priest) tree. It's also the class tree with the highest WIL multiplier, which influences [Holy] skills as a whole.

Though I admit the image of Ilias punching things doesn't really fit. She's probably more fitting as a White/Holy Mage/Divine Archer in the backlines. Then again, as the highest angelic entity, she probably can brawl if she has to.

In terms of stats, Ilias is actually roughly in the upper-middle among Angels in part 2 (she loses to Luka in every stat aside from WIL, (barely) MP and (barely) DEX). Though this is mostly because of the Seraphs being stupid OP rather than any fault of her own.

Interestingly, Ilias may have high talent at thievery, judging from her actions in the story.

 

[TheUnsaid]

in my book, the best healer is still the dancer/superstar because of the extra speed

In turn-based games where speed decides turn-order, speed is almost always the most important stat. As long as the enemies don't one-shot you, you can make do.

Though this is mostly because of the Seraphs being stupid OP rather than any fault of her own.

They're only OP when together. On their own, they aren't that much better than Illias I don't think. I checked their passives, and they don't get the same boosts as illias.

Godhand

Martial Artist with WIL based modifiers? Bro... Speed and WIL in one class? That's perfect. I never tried that class out, but now I really want to. I wonder if it has an ability that changes Wil based modifiers to base on speed instead.

 

[Rascal]

Damn it .. after 2 years not caring much I'm back at checking every MGQ Paradox related site every day, even if I know that nothing new was posted because the latest post isn't even a week old

and I realized I made a blunder with my statement that they would do the archangels after the ancestors
I was browser though there older posts and Arzors blog and saw that they mixed ancestors and angel posts
So it's probably longer .. or shorter .. dunno, brain is mush
Did they even finish introducing one side yet?

but yeah, long story short, I'm back in full hype mode, listening to Alice3 theme, covers, best fucking boss fight music Adramelech
and I realised that we didn't even got the preview trailer for part 3 that will once again contain an epic soundtrack/remix and maybe little snacks like the corrupted Sonya part or Alicetroemeria
so basically the Ancestors, Archangels, Dark Goddess, Ilias, Black Alice Final Form (this time for real), Judgement, Worldbreaker and a lot of cool stuff that we probably can't even imagine yet

Aaarrrgh
Why did I have to go back into full hype mode? (not even talking about the agonizing time between relase of Part 3 and a basic translation of the story)
It's not even weird anymore that I'm more hyped for this game then any AAA Game ever
Even after the original that was and will ever be just an epic adventure:
it's just an awesome story where all the bloodshed is replaced with sex and being fucked until your death is totally a common way to die
...
not that I could tell my parents about this .. they don't like video games

 

[Green Thoughts]

Damn it .. after 2 years not caring much I'm back at checking every MGQ Paradox related site every day, even if I know that nothing new was posted because the latest post isn't even a week old

and I realized I made a blunder with my statement that they would do the archangels after the ancestors
I was browser though there older posts and Arzors blog and saw that they mixed ancestors and angel posts
So it's probably longer .. or shorter .. dunno, brain is mush
Did they even finish introducing one side yet?

but yeah, long story short, I'm back in full hype mode, listening to Alice3 theme, covers, best fucking boss fight music Adramelech
and I realised that we didn't even got the preview trailer for part 3 that will once again contain an epic soundtrack/remix and maybe little snacks like the corrupted Sonya part or Alicetroemeria
so basically the Ancestors, Archangels, Dark Goddess, Ilias, Black Alice Final Form (this time for real), Judgement, Worldbreaker and a lot of cool stuff that we probably can't even imagine yet

Aaarrrgh
Why did I have to go back into full hype mode? (not even talking about the agonizing time between relase of Part 3 and a basic translation of the story)
It's not even weird anymore that I'm more hyped for this game then any AAA Game ever
Even after the original that was and will ever be just an epic adventure:
it's just an awesome story where all the bloodshed is replaced with sex and being fucked until your death is totally a common way to die
...
not that I could tell my parents about this .. they don't like video games

All of the Six Ancestors have been introduced. Of the Seven Archangels, only Raphaela has yet to be introduced.

 

[4lurk3r]

They're only OP when together. On their own, they aren't that much better than Illias I don't think. I checked their passives, and they don't get the same boosts as illias.

According to the Japanese wiki, Micaela and Lucifina have amazing base stats, being at the cream of the crop aside from HP (loses to Golem Girl and Black Golem), Defense (loses to Golem Girl, Queen Vampire and, surprisingly, Quad Angels), Magic (loses to Luka), Will (loses to Alicetroemeria) and Speed (loses to Gob). Of course racial stat modifiers can even these numbers out, but Angels have pretty high racial modifiers. And frankly Ilias' innate (half MP cost) is disappointing compared to Mica and Luci's 30% element booster+30% skill booster, not taking into account the conditional stat boost from being together.
And Eden, even without her broken conditional stat boost, has a whopping 50% skill booster that more than makes up for her lower base stats.

Martial Artist with WIL based modifiers? Bro... Speed and WIL in one class? That's perfect. I never tried that class out, but now I really want to. I wonder if it has an ability that changes Wil based modifiers to base on speed instead.

Unfortunately Godhands have lower SPD and ATK than pure third tier martial artists (by 5%, but still) and there's no job-learnable skill that modifies WIL-based skills to SPD-based ones, but Godhands learn powerful AoE ATK-or-WIL Holy skills (Godhand 10's Golden Hammer is effectively equivalent to Seraph 10's Divine Punishment or Fallen Angel 10's Heavenly Demon Revival) to make up for it, and they also have the highest DEF modifier as well (tied with Pirate King/Marine General).

On the flipside, Holy skills only get buffed with Staff Booster, and Godhands don't come with Staff Mastery.

 

[TheUnsaid]

Unfortunately Godhands have lower SPD and ATK than pure third tier martial artists (by 5%, but still) and there's no job-learnable skill that modifies WIL-based skills to SPD-based ones, but Godhands learn powerful AoE STR or WIL Holy skills (Godhand 10's Golden Hammer is effectively equivalent to Seraph 10's Divine Punishment or Fallen Angel 10's Heavenly Demon Revival) to make up for it, and they also have the highest DEF modifier as well (tied with Pirate King/Marine General).

On the flipside, Holy skills only get buffed with Staff Booster, and Godhands don't come with Staff Mastery.

Way to throw water on that excitement man.

According to the Japanese wiki, Micaela and Lucifina have amazing base stats, being at the cream of the crop aside from HP (loses to Golem Girl and Black Golem), Defense (loses to Golem Girl, Queen Vampire and, surprisingly, Quad Angels), Magic (loses to Luka), Will (loses to Alicetroemeria) and Speed (loses to Gob). Of course racial stat modifiers can even these numbers out, but Angels have pretty high racial modifiers. And frankly Ilias' innate (half MP cost) is disappointing compared to Mica and Luci's 30% element booster+30% skill booster, not taking into account the conditional stat boost from being together.
And Eden, even without her broken conditional stat boost, has a whopping 50% skill booster that more than makes up for her lower base stats.

Yeah, I mentioned Eden's 50% boost a while back. She's ridiculous.

I feel like, as the game progressed, the devs stopped balancing the characters based on possible jobs, but just based on the job they start out at. Eden's base job doesn't have high percentage modifiers. She can't get high damage, unless you job change her into Micaela's job, and even then, you need to level her up a bit before you get the really powerful abilities.

I remember thinking Nero was broken when you got to play as him for a few seconds, but now I'm pretty sure Luca can take him. I wonder how the game plans to balance the normal monsters of part 3?

 

[4lurk3r]

Way to throw water on that excitement man.

Well it's only natural that "mixed" job classes tend to have less specialized stats than "pure" job classes. Still, if you want a tanky white magic/holy user, you really can't go wrong with going through the Godhand tree. Equip fist to punch stuff, or equip Staff Mastery and a staff to focus on white magic and holy skills.

I feel like, as the game progressed, the devs stopped balancing the characters based on possible jobs, but just based on the job they start out at. Eden's base job doesn't have high percentage modifiers. She can't get high damage, unless you job change her into Micaela's job, and even then, you need to level her up a bit before you get the really powerful abilities.

I remember thinking Nero was broken when you got to play as him for a few seconds, but now I'm pretty sure Luca can take him. I wonder how the game plans to balance the normal monsters of part 3?

I've always had a feeling that the characters are generally balanced around their position in the story (Micaela and Lucifina being the strongest Seraphs give them high stats, while Eden having been severely weakened storywise only managing average stats for her race, the Monster Queens almost always have the highest average stats among their race, the Unfortunate Monsters have shit for stats, etc), with their initial job/race selections also being influenced by their background. But well, I've never really thought too deeply about things like that.

Whatever part 3 will bring, I have this feeling that they'll be pulling out Sure-hit/Almighty and Chaos element attacks out of the wazoo.