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@saviliana are you a Chinese citizen? Do you live in Hong Kong? I'm just wondering why you're willing to believe what Beijing is saying on such questionable evidence.
I am a hong kong citizen, which in the matter of sovereignty definition is also a chinese citizen (but because of "one country two rule" it was not yet be the case, which abit like Guam or Porto Rico, which were consider as american but not actaully american citizens.)
I wasn't beliving anyone, I am just speaking the actaul truth happening in Hong Kong, there were nothing is questionable, its only the matter that you people were blinded by the propoganda that america used to broadcast in the western media. Its like you people talk like fox news were the fake news because you people were all told by BBC or CNN news that you should not trust the others. I am not saying that fox news were real, but its the matter of how you people just refuse on admit that not everything american told you were right.
And when people present actaul evidence you just shot them all down with reasons like questionable source or no one else report like that.
There are many police officer were injured, harrassment or had been theartened and blackmailed, many community propoperty damaged or destoryed, those rebel were also trying to bring down planes not just in HongKong airport, but even in canada and american airports (it was cathay pacific had empolyee joined rebel ranks), just last night there were dozens of these rebels tries to attack a police convoy to try release their members after an earlier raid in an MTR station, it is a serious crime no matter what reason or political, there were also many cilivian were badly injered during the act.
I don't know nor care what you people think, it is a terrorist attack and it need to be stop. They were already in the early state of how ISIS or Al-Qeada were starting, if you think that you were help bringing down some great evil then you were very wrong, there is no evil regime. Well maybe its somewhat corrupted and clumsy but still, it was not the one whom "made people dissappered overnight and never seen again", it was america that does that often, the only evil happening here is that the rebel were bringing down the whole economic in the region, which would lead to millions of people starve because that the money we were using worth nothing because of there were no business able to run, no income, no productions, nothing.
Is that what you people in the west wanted? Blood on your hands? If so, then you people were the biggest evil in your own definitions. You people kept helping them, then the next time when the same thing happens on where you were living, don't said that I hadn't warn you.
The americans knows no fucking limit, they will use their tactics everywhere if they jealous on anyone had something better then them, no matter if you were their ally or not.
Also a little fun fact: Most of those rebel leaders (9 out of 12 that were knowned) were also not really citizens of HongKong, many of them were form vietnam or their father or mother were form vietnam when 2nd Vietnam war (early to mid 80s) was happening (We were forced to accpet them under UN and UK govern bill, and they were givin citizenship after they were stayed here more then 7 years.). Its abit like how nowadays EU had so many middle-eastern wartime immergrents, I wonder if 10-20 years later that those immergrents in EU would blow up like HongKong today, oh wait, they had already been blowing up frence.
OK, I've gone through your 'ahem' evidence, in total you have a number of images of unidentified people who you allege are protestors and not say undercover officers as have been seen in images elsewhere, these U/Cs were photographed working, etc with the police. The image of a male with what appears to be a stab wound proves nothing, I've seen worse at A&E on friday night. The fire one could be simply bad luck such as
, the 'gun' could be a U/C or just a fucking water pistol, who knows. You also have, what I can only kindly call 'stories' on a known government tabloid, these stories give again 'allegations' without evidence, unlike say the footage of a uniformed police officer who broke the forearm/wrist of a protestor using excessive force, the one regarding alleged 'bomb plot' has nothing but speculation, your next images/stories show one man meeting 'an unknown man,' ergo, according to you this is absolute EVIDENCE that the CIA, etc are involved in a mysterious operation, I KNOW, it's a secret mission by every nation in the world, it's called 'Operation, piss off Pooh'. Seriously though, the images are interesting, but your version is far outweighed by much more compelling imagery showing indications of China planning to fuck over HK like it did with Tibet, the Urghurs, etc, so excuse the rest of the world while we watch with VERY suspicous eyes what China does to HK, but honestly China would look, and get far more trust, honour, etc, if they say 'sold' HK to HK, gave them their independance and walked away with a hell of a lot more respect than they've got now, oh, and X years worth of purchase payments for it all.
P.S. If I've missed/mixed up something, sorry, I'm rather tired, bye.
But your stand point were all wrong, HK can not be independance because of its lack on resource, no matter on industral production nor natural resource, it could simply unable to withstand 9 million people even with imports, UN strictly saids that no state nor nation were allow to be created when there were the region unable to self sufficient its own people, and you had to have atleast a military force reasonablely large enough to be guarding the border, and you could not be sperate state(s) when there were under 80% of its people were supporting the action in an offical referendum and multiple UN member to had the sovereignty being recognized on paper after their independance. None of these simple requirement were met, they were infact choosen to ask directly like what only would be happening in a robbery or kidnapping. Only terrorist would do such thing, and no country had ever accept such demand in any chance in the history, they were just showing off to smear the goverment, nothing more, all they want is bloodshed and they were pushing to become one, or faking with forgein media helping hands.
Also HongKong was a part of China, it was base on the treaty of Naijing(1887) and treaty of Bejing(1898) back when Ching dyansty was leading China, that it sold HongKong island and Kowloon peninsula to Britian and New Territory for 99 years of land usages, then in the 80s UK sign the additional treaty of returning HongKong to China as a whole in exchange of letting HongKong to be had its own ways of rule (except for military, national safety and diplomatic) for atleast 50 years. And China did had kept its promises, they didn't touch HongKong for the last 22 years, even until now they didn't touch anything on us apart form keeping us afloat in the economic crisis and SARS plauge.
I don't know what lies your media tells you, but I, and most citizens I knew living in hongkong, were very happy when China tell us they will back our police and goverment up if we ask them for help. Almost as if 4 out of 5 people that I was aware of. There were only very few of minor (in age group or race group) were against PRC, most of them were actaully not HongKong citizen as well, they had forgien citizenship, even if HongKong were letting them have multiple citizenship, they weren't really HongKong citizens if by UN standard.
And the rest of the world? You people don't know how hongkong were like back in the days of UK rule, in the 80s there were no chinese political personal were allow to speak, let alone suggesting laws, the governer were apoint by the queen, the royal police force were more like slave lords instead of todays no return fire at all bookworm type, they used to be hitting people with oak batons that so hard and heavy one hit would shatter your bone. And they would hit you if you were just looking funny to them. It only changes when UK sign the treaty to return HK to China, so those party leaders starts to create political parties, and were oath to follow the basic rule that written by UK and China(which both were agreed to be follow for the next 50 years after the offical return at 1997). China didn't break those rule, those local political parties did. And if you trust anyone whom broke their oath like nothing, then you are the idiot.
