Discussion Sex MUGEN 2.0 General Discussion Thread

[Emerald_Gladiator]

please do. I'd probably get the wrong version since there are so many. of kuro and minotaur at least, don't know about those specifically.
I'll give it a look later but it shouldn't be hard.

Sure, just sent you a PM. Hope you can help!

 

[Someone92]

I mean, on a forum, sure. everyone's on the same page. but getting an author on the other side of the world to comply is harder.

Found what I meant:

Spoiler: 8055000-8055999: Character trait identifiers

By Messatsu. This is a simple, painless method that can be added into any character to make interactions function better. For instance, CvS Vega's intro vs. beautiful women, or ugly people; then there's blood color or hit sounds (should a robot bleed?). Simply add these as air entries into your character (sprite refference or animation info is totally unimportant, just as long as the animation entry is present and valid).
(Not finished just yet...will be all up in a bit)

8055000,8055999 - Standard Detection:
These two anims need to both be present in your character for detection purposes, to make sure he/she/it complies with these trait identifiers.

Gender:
8055001 - Male
8055002 - Female
8055003 - Neither

Age he/she/it appears to be:
8055010 - Baby
8055011 - Child
8055012 - Teenager
8055013 - Young Adult
8055014 - Middle Aged
8055015 - Old
8055016 - Ancient
8055017 - Timeless

Type:
8055020 - Human
8055021 - Robot
8055022 - Animal
8055023 - Monster
8055024 - Ghost
8055025 - Mech
8055026 - Mythological Creature
8055027 - Alien
8055028 - God
8055029 - Object

Blood Color:
8055030 - Red
8055031 - Green
8055032 - Blue
8055033 - Yellow
8055034 - Purple
8055035 - Orange
8055036 - Black
8055037 - White
8055038 - Grey
8055039 - Does not bleed

Armor Type / Body Composition (i.e. For hitsounds):
8055040 - None
8055041 - Metal
8055042 - Stone
8055043 - Wood
8055044 - Flame
8055045 - Ice
8055046 - Force

Blocking Armor Type (Think shields, for example):
8055047 - None
8055048 - Metal
8055049 - Stone
8055050 - Wood
8055051 - Flame
8055052 - Ice
8055053 - Force

Weapon:
8055054 - Unarmed
8055055 - Bladed
8055056 - Piercing
8055057 - Blunt
8055058 - Magic
8055059 - Projectile (guns, etc)

Attractiveness:
8055060 - God Awful
8055061 - Ugly
8055062 - Average
8055063 - Hot
8055064 - Cute/Dead Sexy

Coolness:
8055065 - Really Dorky
8055066 - A Little Dorky
8055067 - Normal
8055068 - Cool
8055069 - Very Cool

Morality:
8055070 - Evil
8055071 - Mean
8055072 - Neutral
8055073 - Good Natured
8055074 - Absolutely Moral (?!)

Intelligence:
8055080 - No Cognition
8055081 - Stupid
8055082 - Average
8055083 - Smart
8055084 - Genius
8055085 - Winane (^_-)

Artificial Inteligence:
8055090 - Is a Joke
8055091 - Easy to Beat
8055092 - Average
8055093 - Difficult to beat
8055094 - Boss
8055095 - Uber Cheap

Height:
8055100 - Tiny
8055101 - Midget
8055102 - Short
8055103 - Average Height
8055104 - Tall
8055105 - Towering

Physical Build:
8055110 - Ghastly Thin
8055111 - Slender
8055112 - Average
8055113 - Buff
8055114 - Massive
8055115 - Chubby
8055116 - Fat

Fighting Styles:
8055120 - Aikido
8055121 - Boxing
8055122 - Capoeira
8055123 - Choy Li Fut
8055124 - Dim Mak
8055125 - Gojukai Karate
8055126 - Goju Ryu Karate
8055127 - Hapkido
8055128 - Hsing
8055129 - Iaido
8055130 - Jeet Kune Do
8055131 - Judo
8055132 - Jujutsu
8055133 - Ju Jitsu
8055134 - Kali
8055135 - Karate
8055136 - Kendo
8055137 - Kenpo Karate
8055138 - Kickboxing
8055139 - Krav Maga
8055140 - Kung Fu
8055141 - Kyokushinkai
8055142 - Muay Thai
8055143 - Ninjutsu
8055144 - Pentjak Silat
8055145 - Pa Kua
8055146 - Sambo
8055147 - Savate
8055148 - Shito Ryu Karate
8055149 - Shorin Ryu
8055150 - Shorinji Kempo
8055151 - Shotokan Karate
8055152 - Shukokai
8055153 - Sumo
8055154 - Taekwondo
8055155 - Tai Chi Chuan
8055156 - Tang Soo Do
8055157 - Uechi Ryu
8055158 - Wado Ryu Karate
8055159 - Wing Chun Kung Fu
8055160 - Yoseikan
8055161 - Ansatsukan
8055162 - Wrestling
8055163 - Drunken Boxing
8055164 - Ankoku Karate
8055165 - Koppo
8055166 - KOBUJUTSU
8055167 - SELF-TAUGHT FIGHTING
8055168 - WU SHU
8055169 - Unknown fighting style
8055170 - KITANTAN-RYUU
8055171 - DAINANRYU-AIKI JUUJUTSU
8055172 - Kenka Sappou
8055173 - Hizoku
8055174 - Vale Tudo
8055175 - Saikyo-ryuu
8055176 - Bushin-ryuu

Blood Types: Just for SF2 fun

Use both A and B for AB:
8055190 - A
8055191 - B
8055192 - O
8055193 - +
8055194 - -

Race: (pick multiple) uses US census list. don't complain about how limited it is until you, I or Messatsu can find a comprehensive list (this proves rather difficult):
8055200 - White
8055201 - African
8055202 - Chinese
8055203 - American Indian
8055204 - Japanese
8055205 - Filipino
8055206 - Indian
8055207 - Korean
8055208 - Hawaiian
8055209 - Vietnamese
8055210 - Guamanian
8055211 - Samoan
8055212 - Latino

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Spoiler: How to use them

These are just trait identifiers, so for example if you're making Ryu :
He's a
8055001 - Male
8055014 - Middle Aged
8055020 - Human
8055030 - Blood color Red
8055040 - Armor Type / Body Composition None
8055047 - Blocking Armor Type None
8055054 - Unarmed
8055062 - Average
8055065 - Really Dorky
8055074 - Absolutely Moral (?!)
8055083 - Smart
8055092 - AI Average
etc.

You define these anims for your character, using a blank anim, ie. :
[begin action 8055001]
-1,0, 0,0, -1

This way, your character can be identified by others.
It can be used for intros or winquotes (mocking girls, mocking ugly people, shouting on evil people, etc.) , but also for many other things, for example :
- changing the hitsounds if the opponent is a robot.
- modifying the color of the blood spark when you're using a samurai shodown character and the opponent's trait says his blood is green/blue/whatever.
- Scaling the AI depending on the opponent's AI.

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I think that's what you are looking for.

 

[elidibiz]

yeah, that's exactly what I had in mind. suprised someone already came up with a functional draft considering no hentai characters use it. then again, nobody really looks at old guild docs.
it doesn't need to be as extensive just for sex either, a list consolidating positions from different edits would fix most compatibility issues and even work retroactively, with list that are out-of-date. adding them to "non-compliant" characters would be fairly easy too, just by copy-pasting.
it's definitely something I can do if you guys are interested in the concept.

 

[gettagmk2]

So I forgot my password to this forum a long time ago and none of my emails were apparently linked to the account, but today was the day I got lucky in guessing it.

I know most of the more active people here so I think a lot of you have already seen this, but here's the latest edition of brian:

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And a video: (

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It's more or less a newer version showing off the integration of a few new features, namely the struggle mechanic of TOBF being added and 2 new positions. The first one is basically horu's kuromaru_press style missionary that I used to help me develop compatibility for that character, and the replacement of his standing sex move that used cowgirl sprites/anims,to a full nelson position that g-bit gave me the idea for. The rest of the other additions are more beneath the hood things that allow for more anim variations based on the victim state. I added a stun meter since Brian is on the slower side and it makes actually grabbing opponents much easier, and a, I guess "pleasure" bar for victims but i'm still trying to figure out a good way to use it gameplay wise.

 

[Emerald_Gladiator]

I know most of the more active people here so I think a lot of you have already seen this, but here's the latest edition of brian:

It's more or less a newer version showing off the integration of a few new features, namely the struggle mechanic of TOBF being added and 2 new positions. The first one is basically horu's kuromaru_press style missionary that I used to help me develop compatibility for that character, and the replacement of his standing sex move that used cowgirl sprites/anims,to a full nelson position that g-bit gave me the idea for. The rest of the other additions are more beneath the hood things that allow for more anim variations based on the victim state. I added a stun meter since Brian is on the slower side and it makes actually grabbing opponents much easier, and a, I guess "pleasure" bar for victims but i'm still trying to figure out a good way to use it gameplay wise.

Good to see you on the forums again, Gettag.

I was waiting a while for your Brian ... and sorta disappointed with the result.
Is there a way to remove the control pad feature or something? Not only is it unstable (as in, oftentimes, I can't even get it to work properly), but it, like many of your other characters such as Dongwhan, prevents the AI from using any H moves. I think it'd be more effective if each of Brian's moves were activated by individual commands.

I'd also love TOBF to have a finishing move too ... and perhaps the grappling of the 'blue thug' should be the same animation style as Brian's boob groping (it looks weird otherwise).

Anyway, thanks for the updates, Gettag, and regardless of the criticism, respect the hard work involved.
Hope you can do Power Girl, or add onto Captain Marvel more!

 

[gettagmk2]

Is there a way to remove the control pad feature or something? Not only is it unstable (as in, oftentimes, I can't even get it to work properly), but it, like many of your other characters such as Dongwhan, prevents the AI from using any H moves. I think it'd be more effective if each of Brian's moves were activated by individual commands.

I'd also love TOBF to have a finishing move too ... and perhaps the grappling of the 'blue thug' should be the same animation style as Brian's boob groping (it looks weird otherwise).

Anyway, thanks for the updates, Gettag, and regardless of the criticism, respect the hard work involved.
Hope you can do Power Girl, or add onto Captain Marvel more!

Not quite sure what you mean. There isn't any correlation whatsoever to AI not working and positions being selected by the arrow keys. The AI simply doesn't work because there isn't any custom one implemented, which leads to the default AI doing their equivalent of rolling its face across a keyboard. Never had anyone say the current control method was unstable, either. Can you elaborate on what kind of issues you had with it?

As for finishers, I won't be adding them to TOBF, but the beat em up character that i'm helping another dev with has that functionality, so whenever he's ready to get the H content added in it'll show up there for sure.

 

[jny84]

Sorry to interrupt
I am looking for the character edited by Horuakuti
But mugenarchive temporary purge of the 18+ folder
So I only found Iari from ryona uploader
Where can i get other character ?

Please excuse my poor English.

 

[Shana Fenix]

WARNING!! RANT AND MUCH MORE!!
READ AT YOUR OWN BEHEST!!

Spoiler

I kept quiet this entire time on MugenArchive despite how BAD the administration of the site is and how horribly everything is being handled. Despite how Dizzy is a massive idiot, bobby is high on his on farts and bison is a breathing menace that's still walking freely. Despite keeping my mouth shut I got banned randomly and without an actual reason.

Let me tell you a few things here...
The whole "implementing an 'are you 18?' check is impossible" is complete bullshit. It is entirely possible to implement one way or another but it requires work. Effort they don't want to put into this because they ultimately don't actually care about the +18 section at all and are merely tolerating its existence. The mods and administration seemingly don't communicate and I don't know whether the mods don't want to do anything at all or are literally powerless because over the course of time all I've seen them say - in PMs and openly - is basically "Can't do anything about it, ask Dizzy". Also: Banning people randomly without specifying any reason whatsoever is so unprofessional you might as well be an indian scammer. It gives people a reason to speculate and makes bad things happen. Like me! My guess is bobbysharks showed Dizzy the private conversation we had and Dizzy, butthurt as he is when criticized of course banned my face. Sucks when you can't take some criticism doesn't it?
Oh and speaking of that conversation - have fun you folks. Let it be known what manner of idiot bobby actually is:


bobbysharks has gotten high on power, thinks he's some savior of +18 MUGEN (have you seen his tumblr posts? Oh my god...)
I doubt the +18 section is ever coming back and vore characters will stay in the punching bags section. People are getting banned left and right for expressing their displeasure, advice and criticism. Even just small jokes are getting banned if they go against the administration. MEANWHILE bison shadaloo is still roaming freely after stealing I don't even know how many people's work, making a punching bag of Admin Dizzy (that later got deleted), trying to defame someone by uploading actual CP in their name oh and yeah - that. Uploading actual CP to MA, its discord and MugenRyona. He was banned for like a day a while back I believe but hey... it's fine if he pays the site enough isn't it? Or maybe some other... services... who knows what's going on exactly :') Oh and of course this makes it better...

(No, not really.)
Oh and I'm sure you have already noticed this on the little discussion I posted with bobby up there, but yeah, they are basically refusing to remove my files. Yes, Umbreon is Nintendo's IP but... ONE: It's still my code (not to mention I actually paid for those sprites to be made) and TWO: What uploading service doesn't allow you to take down your old content? What is this trash supposed to be?

See, I am not usually one to go and call people out, but this is how you get on my bad side and I think things like this need to be laid bare to warn people and spread the word. I planned on keeping this shit private, in a small circle of people I know but this ban today and everything else shows me how bad a state MugenArchive is in and that the people that are in power to do something would rather twiddle their thumbs and be Dizzys lapdog instead.

I can't say this enough - Don't upload to MugenArchive. Don't go there. I doubt the +18 section is going to come back anyway. There are alternatives. We just need to utilize them. One of them is this very site. For a while we've had our own section here now. The other one is HentaiCharMugen. Just... forsake MugenArchive altogether. It's as bad as it gets, complete with a corrupt leadership. That's all folks. :V

 

[goodolrub]

jesus,is this thread becoming kiwifarms?

 

[lolirajah]

I would like to ask, which mugen do you guys currently use? Im using the one of the hentacharmugen website but, its in spanish. I dont mind the language but it doesnt even have a watch mode. I would preferably like an updated mugen to run updated characters/animations.

 

[Someone92]

I almost exclusively used 1.1b.
I've encountered only a handful of characters that work only with WINMUGEN, and had no issues with any 1.0 characters yet. Dunno about stages, I don't care about them.

I have given up on so-called Screenpacks and instead manually increased the select screen window.

 

[Emerald_Gladiator]

@Shana Fenix : Damn, sorry bout that. I respected Bobby (in fact, I asked him to come to ULMF on MA a while ago when his Tumblr got shut down), but your convo seems like it escalated unnecessarily! Hell, I don't even know what the heck triggered him. I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt, but yeah, MA was going downhill anyway. Absolutely hated the nonchalance and dictatorship that Dizzy had in MA and when Bison became a mod, I knew it was the beginning of the end. I'd hope someone can reach out to folks like G-Bit and Moko to have them share here instead.

I'm at least appreciative that Gettag's posting here again (sorry @gettagmk2 , I'll have to respond later), and someone like @elidibiz can help with H-mugen stuff. But yeah, hope you're not too frustrated, Fenix. I still worry that ULMF's much, much less effective as a platform for H-mugen, and obviously less established, so it's not appealing for creators to converse or post stuff here. Like you, I'd rather not see H-mugen die.

 

[DarkFire1004]

To weigh in from an administrative perspective, the mod team here isn't as well-versed in the Mugen community as it should, but because of that, we're much less susceptible to bias or mod abuse. Unfortunately, creating specific functionality for you guys would be far more difficult, since we need approval from F95 to help you out. So while we would be happy to help you out, realistically, it would take quite a bit of work to make this place a good repository for H-Mugen stuff. And because all of the changes need to go through F95 instead of me, it would be a very slow, painful process that may not even come to fruition.

The one thing I would guess is something that might make this forum a little more effective is if, instead of using threads, you use the resources tab to make your content a much more organized source of information.

 

[Shana Fenix]

@Shana Fenix : Damn, sorry bout that. I respected Bobby (in fact, I asked him to come to ULMF on MA a while ago when his Tumblr got shut down), but your convo seems like it escalated unnecessarily! Hell, I don't even know what the heck triggered him. I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt, but yeah, MA was going downhill anyway. Absolutely hated the nonchalance and dictatorship that Dizzy had in MA and when Bison became a mod, I knew it was the beginning of the end. I'd hope someone can reach out to folks like G-Bit and Moko to have them share here instead.

I'm at least appreciative that Gettag's posting here again (sorry @gettagmk2 , I'll have to respond later), and someone like @elidibiz can help with H-mugen stuff. But yeah, hope you're not too frustrated, Fenix. I still worry that ULMF's much, much less effective as a platform for H-mugen, and obviously less established, so it's not appealing for creators to converse or post stuff here. Like you, I'd rather not see H-mugen die.

Eh, it's not so much frustration as I just want to let people know what's going on, the state of things right now, as well as what people not to depend on or avoid and why.
As for where to migrate to - HentaiCharMugen as I mentioned is a good option. I talked to one of the three admins and they seem cool.

 

[NSR]

So the audit is as of yesterday, cancelled. None of the moderators or administrators care to pick up the slack. Adding age verification on their website isn't that complex, in the 17 days that the "Audit" has been going on, they could have well implemented it on a side server and tested it. Even implemented it. A shame because I was looking forward to that one new uploader who made their own Umbreon and wanted to make their own set of characters/full-game. If there's a way to bring him over here would be great, along with whoever else could be salvaged from MA.

Edit: Ah, Hersir was their name. Someone manage to bring them over, they really seemed to be on the right track for creating content.

 

[Ricky]

what would you guys want from H content in general (characters, stages, screenpacks, systems)?
I'm an old mugen developer with time to spare and wanted to contribute since the H scene is kinda barren imo.
not an artist but I'm a decent coder and can do virtually anything mugen-wise.

stages

 

[fenwick67]

stages

The game "THRILL KILL" (any character).....i don't believe any character has even ever been mugenized!

 

[hhh7773]

Honestly, the biggest thing I'd like to mostly see is H-attacks tied more directly into gameplay in unique ways, as well as AI that is capable of effectively using Aggressors with said types of movesets. Typically I find myself playing victims far more than the actual aggressors themselves, and as some have already stated, many of the aggressors out there currently are either a mix of OP in terms of getting free, massive damage for their H-Moves, or just simply rarely use them/barely do anything when doing them. There are definitely some great examples of things that lie in between, but in general, more AI friendly aggressors with neat mechanics baked in, whether they are simply edits of existing characters or entirely hand crafted, is what I'd really be interested in seeing the most.

All in all though, just glad to see the scene as alive as it is really, and some innovation no matter what direction it takes will always be great for the community as a whole down the line. Unfortunate whats going on with Mugen Archive, but having been on the sidelines for awhile and a long time lurker, I can say its something that isn't exactly unexpected really.

 

[KiWolfGirl]

So the audit is as of yesterday, cancelled. None of the moderators or administrators care to pick up the slack. Adding age verification on their website isn't that complex, in the 17 days that the "Audit" has been going on, they could have well implemented it on a side server and tested it. Even implemented it. A shame because I was looking forward to that one new uploader who made their own Umbreon and wanted to make their own set of characters/full-game. If there's a way to bring him over here would be great, along with whoever else could be salvaged from MA.

Edit: Ah, Hersir was their name. Someone manage to bring them over, they really seemed to be on the right track for creating content.

So you mean they just took all the 18+ stuff off the site and have no plans to put it back? I couldn't find any announcement of that but I didn't look too hard because that site makes me want to throw up. If this is truly the case it's the worst poor facade in a long time.

Edit I found where it was mentioned. Another lie from Dizzy.

bobbysharks, the volunteer moderator in charge of the audit has decided to step down due to the pressure from some angry members.
Right now we have nobody to continue this audit, it is therefore suspended.
We do not know when the audit will be resumed, if ever.
It is sad a few angry members can spoil it for the rest of the community.

BULLSHIT! "pressure from some angry members" no shit, you took down a major part of the site and lied about the reasons for it and poorly tried to cover it up, now you're using the response as an excuse to do what you always wanted to do.

 

[Ricky]

The game "THRILL KILL" (any character).....i don't believe any character has even ever been mugenized!

I don't know what you mean by mugenized but if it's a good stage I would take it we lack nsfw stages in the H mugen community