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[HentaiWriter]

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That's why you only work with people who have experience and have proven themselves in their respective fields

Silicon Valley is fucking great though, watching it feels like a documentary of what it's like to work on a team developing something, both the good times and the bad. And yeah, pretty much everything he makes is quality.

 

[B00marrows]

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That's why you only work with people who have experience and have proven themselves in their respective fields

I dont need to point out the ultimate failure in that sentance do i?

You are right. But the circumstances being as they are; this is literally not surprising at all.

*Reluctantly nods in agreement*

 

[Perfeccia Ars]

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That's why you only work with people who have experience and have proven themselves in their respective fields

People who have proven themselves and have experience aren't going to work on niche hentai games that are demonized on the west, and the number of people required for a team leave you with little choice on who you can take, sometimes you just have to take the risk.

Sadly this area is all about hit and miss. This isn't an industry per se, just a very desolate area where most developers are people that want to make something for fun and test if it can work with the public.

Those of us that have experience with games or other professional works are the exception that want to invest on things longterm, not the rule. Though I have noticed that the standard for english H-games is increasing bit by bit, it almost looks like there is a healthy competition with some patreons and creators that have come out recently. Namely, those that are being more transparent and are upgrading their presentations after looking at others.

I like to think that the standards will only go up in the future.

 

[Manamana]

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People who have proven themselves and have experience aren't going to work on niche hentai games that are demonized on the west, and the number of people required for a team leave you with little choice on who you can take, sometimes you just have to take the risk.

True, so true , sometime even something like a risqué sexy pose (yeah, I'm talking about you Overwatch) can invoke the wrath of some people, a minority certainly, but a very vocal one.
I wish we even had the freedom to make something in the middle of the road (certainly not a porn game, but at least with sexy characters/clothes/etc) without being shunned like it was something blasphemous, like I see often in Japanese or in Korean games.
People are such prude in the US/EU industry...

Sadly this area is all about hit and miss. This isn't an industry per se, just a very desolate area where most developers are people that want to make something for fun and test if it can work with the public.

Those of us that have experience with games or other professional works are the exception that want to invest on things longterm, not the rule. Though I have noticed that the standard for english H-games is increasing bit by bit, it almost looks like there is a healthy competition with some patreons and creators that have come out recently. Namely, those that are being more transparent and are upgrading their presentations after looking at others.

I like to think that the standards will only go up in the future.

That's the flicker of hope I have, as at last some people began to directly sponsor the works they liked, bypassing the usual industry barriers.
And it's already awesome, because seeing western porn games, some being really dark fetish wise, is something I couldn't even imagine until recent times.

 

[HentaiWriter]

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I dont need to point out the ultimate failure in that sentance do i?

Please do; if the "failure" is that "people need to work on projects to get experience", you don't have to work in teams to get experience, and I'll clarify that more below.

People who have proven themselves and have experience aren't going to work on niche hentai games that are demonized on the west, and the number of people required for a team leave you with little choice on who you can take, sometimes you just have to take the risk.

Actually, every person I'm working with and/or people I know of in the western hentai game industry have at least 5-10 years experience in their respective fields, either in the SFW or the NSFW fields or both, and with one exception, every one of them has released at least one, if not numerous full fledged NSFW and/or SFW games (myself included).

I wish I could list specific examples, but again, I don't want to give away their SFW work/identities. As for myself, I've been in various industries for over ten years that all correlate to my roles on the games I'm making (plus other roles that help out with game creation indirectly); some of the people I've worked with/been involved with or places I've worked at are known globally to millions of people.

All of us had different reasons for getting into making hentai games, but we definitely were experienced for a solid amount of time prior to getting into it. There are a lot of people who were doing NSFW stuff who got work on highly publicized SFW things as well, like the

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, or the artist for

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and the studios knew about their art, so it definitely doesn't permanently smear you if you do such work.

Sadly this area is all about hit and miss. This isn't an industry per se, just a very desolate area where most developers are people that want to make something for fun and test if it can work with the public.

The hentai industry is massive in Japan, and they've taken notice; this is why Nutaku has opened up a studio to sell games from other producers, why PayPal is ok with NSFW works on Patreon, why MangaGamer and JAST are selling more and more western works of different genres, and why more and more Japanese titles are getting translated for the west. (I can also say none of the games I'm working on are for fun, like, we have fun making them, but we're dead serious about making them the best games we can make them to be, haha.)

There isn't an industry here right now, like there is for say movies or video games, but there is an industry GROWING here, and we're all at the birth of it as it's rapidly growing and becoming a reality.

 

[censuur]

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The hentai industry is massive in Japan, and they've taken notice; this is why Nutaku has opened up a studio to sell games from other producers, why PayPal is ok with NSFW works on Patreon

Woa woa woa hold up, is Patreon accepting paypal for NSFW again, or is it just paypal itself being okay with putting money toward Patreon? Supporting people on Paypal is a hassle for me as they don't (or didn't?) accept Paypal as credit cards are not the norm where I'm from (in fact the entire principle is pretty much frowned upon, you pay for what you buy when you buy it and all that)

huh, guess they do accept Paypal again... Sweet, this makes things a lot simpler.

 

[sythmanG]

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I have Patreon now!
Will use it for Female Gladiator 2
a 2D (Animated) game with Animated sex scenes and armor strip.
Visible Weapons and armor.

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[Perfeccia Ars]

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Actually, every person I'm working with and/or people I know of in the western hentai game industry have at least 5-10 years experience in their respective fields, either in the SFW or the NSFW fields or both, and with one exception, every one of them has released at least one, if not numerous full fledged NSFW and/or SFW games (myself included).

I wish I could list specific examples, but again, I don't want to give away their SFW work/identities. As for myself, I've been in various industries for over ten years that all correlate to my roles on the games I'm making (plus other roles that help out with game creation indirectly); some of the people I've worked with/been involved with or places I've worked at are known globally to millions of people.

That's good to know and why I'm more positive about the future, I feel that we're getting more people with experience now and increasing our standards.

I have my own years of experience on newgrounds and indie games before graduating and coming here. I don't know why but there's something about adult games that makes me more comfortable working in this area. Maybe more professionals share that feeling and is why we're seeing a few devs take a more serious and respectable approach to projects now.

As for everyone else? Well, we'll see if they either adapt or become irrelevant in the future.

The hentai industry is massive in Japan, and they've taken notice; this is why Nutaku has opened up a studio to sell games from other producers, why PayPal is ok with NSFW works on Patreon

Can you elaborate on this HentaiWritter? I seem to remember paypal being blocked in NSFW projects on Patreon.

 

[censuur]

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Well, if nothing else I can for a fact confirm that you can once again pledge towards NSFW Patreons with paypal.

 

[B00marrows]

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Please do; if the "failure" is that "people need to work on projects to get experience", you don't have to work in teams to get experience, and I'll clarify that more below.

Thats basically it yes, infinite loophole of failure. etc..
As far as i can remember SPurple did have "experienece in there respective field". I think i remember HBomb announcing them as the artist so i went to look at there older art(was promptly annoyed by there styalised art too), this was years ago so im not sure.

Wait...hold on a sec...
WHO IN THERE RIGHT FUCKING MIND WOULD HIRE AN ARTISTS THAT HAS NOT DONE ANY FUCKING ART???
Seriously what the hell are you getting at here?
I may be drunk here but what the actual fuck?

Can you elaborate on this HentaiWritter? I seem to remember paypal being blocked in NSFW projects on Patreon.

It was mentioned a couple of pages back, yes patreon somehow managed to gat paypal support for NSFW stuff... idk how, lol.

EDIT: Ah here it is

 

[Perfeccia Ars]

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Well, if nothing else I can for a fact confirm that you can once again pledge towards NSFW Patreons with paypal.

It was mentioned a couple of pages back, yes patreon somehow managed to gat paypal support for NSFW stuff... idk how, lol.

EDIT: Ah here it is

Ah thank you both. I missed that piece of news for some reason. +rep

 

[HentaiWriter]

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WHO IN THERE RIGHT FUCKING MIND WOULD HIRE AN ARTISTS THAT HAS NOT DONE ANY FUCKING ART???
Seriously what the hell are you getting at here?
I may be drunk here but what the actual fuck?

Doing something is not "experience in the field". Finishing actual projects as well as having verifiable knowledge of higher level skills is.

Example;
- Someone drawing comic books for fun as a hobby, and they just started doing this last year. This is not "experience in the field" in the sense I'm talking about.
VS
- Someone who has published comic books, has been doing comics for 10+ years, knows how to market themselves, knows how the industry of comics works (ergo what's popular, who to network with, rules and legalities of the field), and knows a wide variety of techniques that will allow them to do a solid variety of art from humans to animals to landscapes.

This is what I mean about "gaining experience on your own", as you don't need to be teamed up with anyone on your projects to get that latter form of experience, and what I mean about hiring people with experience.

I'm not saying they have to have published works, or that they need to know marketing + statistics + everything else, but you should be able to get the general idea of what I'm talking about here.

 

[meh65]

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People who have proven themselves and have experience aren't going to work on niche hentai games that are demonized on the west, and the number of people required for a team leave you with little choice on who you can take, sometimes you just have to take the risk.

Sadly this area is all about hit and miss. This isn't an industry per se, just a very desolate area where most developers are people that want to make something for fun and test if it can work with the public.

Those of us that have experience with games or other professional works are the exception that want to invest on things longterm, not the rule. Though I have noticed that the standard for english H-games is increasing bit by bit, it almost looks like there is a healthy competition with some patreons and creators that have come out recently. Namely, those that are being more transparent and are upgrading their presentations after looking at others.

I like to think that the standards will only go up in the future.

And here is mike judge folks, bringing up the spirits.

You are right. Breeding season; WAS the flagship. It may have sunk, but before it did it inspired many other ships to set sail.

I am kind of glad that we have only new and amateur people pursuing western hentai games. Just like bitcoin banks and darknet drug sites we will just have to let time and word of mouth prove the prestige of each new developer...aaaand i just compared western hentai to darknet activities...

Look, this is why we have forums. This place is good. But I do believe that having a forum for NSFW patreon creators to discuss and collaborate would help improve things, it would at least give some accountability to people that decide to dick others over.

Then again...I wouldn't mind seeing some TMZ level drama about western hentai devs....fuck it lets push it to go mainstream, SOME ONE CALL KEEMSTAR! MAKE HIM GET HBOMB AND SPURPLE ON HIS SHOW!. He seems like he needs a distraction to shift focus away from what a horrible person he is, this is PERFECT TIMING....? nobody? Ok.......

P.S
I know I need to update the thread

 

[azurezero]

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And here is mike judge folks, bringing up the spirits.

You are right. Breeding season; WAS the flagship. It may have sunk, but before it did it inspired many other ships to set sail.

I am kind of glad that we have only new and amateur people pursuing western hentai games. Just like bitcoin banks and darknet drug sites we will just have to let time and word of mouth prove the prestige of each new developer...aaaand i just compared western hentai to darknet activities...

Look, this is why we have forums. This place is good. But I do believe that having a forum for NSFW patreon creators to discuss and collaborate would help improve things, it would at least give some accountability to people that decide to dick others over.

Then again...I wouldn't mind seeing some TMZ level drama about western hentai devs....fuck it lets push it to go mainstream, SOME ONE CALL KEEMSTAR! MAKE HIM GET HBOMB AND SPURPLE ON HIS SHOW!. He seems like he needs a distraction to shift focus away from what a horrible person he is, this is PERFECT TIMING....? nobody? Ok.......

P.S
I know I need to update the thread

Do you think there's gonna be a power vacuum now that breeding season is sunk?

 

[B00marrows]

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I'm not saying they have to have published works, or that they need to know marketing + statistics + everything else, but you should be able to get the general idea of what I'm talking about here.

I give up, i dont see a point in discussing this with you.

You are right. Breeding season; WAS the flagship. It may have sunk, but before it did it inspired many other ships to set sail.

Those are the words i never managed to line up, this is what i was trying to say.
Breeding season was one of the earliest and largest, lets hope its failure does not impact everyone elses success.

It would be nice for other patreon projects to put up a small post about breeding season, even if it is a "This is why it failed, whis is why it wont happen to us" i feel there patreons will be settled by that kind of news.
It seems Cypress Zeta has already done this, good on them.

Ooo check this out

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[censuur]

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I give up, i dont see a point in discussing the with you.

I'm assuming you're operating on the sentiment that people who never got a chance to work in a team won't ever build the experience necessary to successfully do so?

Regardless, HentaiWriter has a point, I wouldn't say he's completely right as there's several paths to the same destination, but the path he describes isn't wrong, just not as exclusive as he's suggesting.

What I will say is that you SHOULD be able to prove yourself trustworthy before asking others to trust you, asking others to take up the risks of whatever venture you're planning for completely disproportionate rewards is bad business at the very minimum, and will invite scams all around.

The thing that's overlooked here is that lack of experience can and should be compensated with good management, that's pretty much one of the main things a manager is for and there is very little that can compensate for an inexperienced manager. Ideally you'd start out working with peers, learn your lessons, build your experience and then you can start managing/mentoring. Anything else is going to be a risky venture at best, and I'll say once more that building such a venture around the notion that others ought to take that risk on your behalf is by no means a good plan.

It would be nice for other patreon projects to put up a small post about breeding season, even if it is a "This is why it failed, whis is why it wont happen to us" i feel there patreons will be settled by that kind of news.
It seems Cypress Zeta has already done this, good on them.

Good gods no, one of the major rules in successful communication is to not give people information they don't know how to use (and I really wish people would stop ignoring this rule damnit), and this would be a prime example of that. At best you'll see countless projects give half-hearted assurances that mean little to their audience and at worst you'll be pressuring countless projects to try and do so simply because of the implied norm of doing so.

Let me just say that if your project is so shaky and unreliable that you WOULD need to give assurances at this point then it's probably already too damn late, and that's not something you'd want to be making implications for to your audience.

 

[B00marrows]

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The thing that's overlooked here is that lack of experience can and should be compensated with good management, that's pretty much one of the main things a manager is for and there is very little that can compensate for an inexperienced manager.

Yep.

Good gods no, one of the major rules in successful communication is to not give people information they don't know how to use (and I really wish people would stop ignoring this rule damnit), and this would be a prime example of that. At best you'll see countless projects give half-hearted assurances that mean little to their audience and at worst you'll be pressuring countless projects to try and do so simply because of the implied norm of doing so.

Let me just say that if your project is so shaky and unreliable that you WOULD need to give assurances at this point then it's probably already too damn late, and that's not something you'd want to be making implications for to your audience.

Talk about taking a step backwards, wtf? lol.

PATREONS are likely going to be shaken by the news of breeding season, im thinking of the consumers here. (think of me as a "professional" consumer, if that helps)
Rather that just ignoring this news, people can use it as a reinforncement for the projects "security".
Simply by pointing out the GLOWING contractual flaw in breeding season -> that S-Purple owned the art and literally shreaded the project on their way out
Saying something as simple as "i own all the art that is produced for the project" should be good enough to settle allot of peoples nerves.

Or you could just leave it and let the uncirtainty brew into doubt and than watch some people walk away.

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, its public and a good doubt settling read.

 

[censuur]

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Talk about taking a step backwards, wtf? lol.
you should go read

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, its public and a good doubt settling read.

The point is it's not up to him to comment on the projects of others, same as that businesses typically don't comment on the status of their competitors. While his reassurances are nice and all, talk is cheap, and those who are skeptical don't really need more 'talk'. Assurances are nice and all, but my point is if your project needs vapid assurances at this stage then it's already too late.

Don't get me wrong, Cypress Zeta's post is well formulated, but to then raise this as a standard and expect other Patreons to follow suit is a recipe for disaster, if not a massive waste of time. Not every guy working on a Patreon project is going to be apt at communication and might just be focused on their work rather than commenting on other people's projects. Not every manager is a marketer or even skilled at CI.

I'd much rather see people post their workflow more regularly than posting promises that they're actually working. Proof over promises.

PATREONS are likely going to be shaken by the news of breeding season

Let me make this really damn clear. No one. NO ONE who is a responsible consumer is the least bit shocked or surprised by the downfall of Breeding Season, we're talking about people who either ignorantly or knowingly supported a known 'fraud' teaming up with a known failure. Responsible consumers won't need vapid assurances, they need results, wasting time on the former accomplishes nothing. As a general rule, pointing at failure and proclaiming you're not them, you're better than them, ultimately means fuck all. It's downright insulting to your supporters to compare them to the imbeciles that pledged to Breeding Season. If you have assurances to give, you should have done that from the very start, again, doing this now is just too damn late into the game. If people ignored your lack of assurances before then they're not going to need them now, the type of folly something like that requires is sadly incurable.

 

[HentaiWriter]

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PATREONS are likely going to be shaken by the news of breeding season, im thinking of the consumers here. (think of me as a "professional" consumer, if that helps)

The vast majority of people using Patreon have no idea Breeding Season even exists, and this includes people pledging to hentai games. By bringing this up, you have a much higher chance of doing three things;

• Introducing the idea into people's heads that there IS something to be worried about, when prior to this, they had NOTHING to be worried about
• Causing people to research about Breeding Season, if they didn't know about it before, which will also introduce insecurity about both Patreon and you mentioning it out of the blue
• Getting people frustrated that you're talking about some other game that died, instead of your game; they might even mentally associate your game with BS subconsciously

There is zero gain to be had by mentioning this on your Patreon besides just mentioning that it happened in a quick one sentence blurb;
don't associate yourself with failures, even subconsciously, in the minds of your Patrons, or they'll start to associate you with failure, and thus your project along with it.

Why do you think in big businesses, the minute some huge scandal like this happens, everyone instantly distances themselves from the company that was part of the scandal?

Regardless, HentaiWriter has a point, I wouldn't say he's completely right as there's several paths to the same destination, but the path he describes isn't wrong, just not as exclusive as he's suggesting.

Exactly, there are different paths, but you can easily get enough experience to be a professional at something without working with a single other person, if you know how to learn/work/produce content right. We're in the year 2016; people can get the train rolling on entire "brands" by themselves, thanks to the tools of the internet.

The thing that's overlooked here is that lack of experience can and should be compensated with good management, that's pretty much one of the main things a manager is for and there is very little that can compensate for an inexperienced manager. Ideally you'd start out working with peers, learn your lessons, build your experience and then you can start managing/mentoring.

I get what you're saying on the management, but I definitely try to take more of a "equals" approach to people I work with; I "manage" things by keeping track of the overall project and setting up lists of what people need to do, but I'm not anyone's boss, everyone has equal power in the project, so if I want something in the game but the other people on the team all group vote and veto me, it doesn't go in.

(As a check to this though, anyone who works in a specific area gets full veto power, to prevent anyone from getting hammered with impossible amounts of work. For instance, if I wanted Triangulate to do a specific animation in Future Fragments, and Cheshire wanted that animation too, despite a 2 to 1 vote, Triangulate can reject it on whatever basis, because I don't want him drawing stuff that would grind his progress to a halt needlessly or that he'd hate drawing, which results in poor quality artwork.)

 

[Perfeccia Ars]

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PATREONS are likely going to be shaken by the news of breeding season, im thinking of the consumers here. (think of me as a "professional" consumer, if that helps)
Rather that just ignoring this news, people can use it as a reinforncement for the projects "security".
Simply by pointing out the GLOWING contractual flaw in breeding season -> that S-Purple owned the art and literally shreaded the project on their way out
Saying something as simple as "i own all the art that is produced for the project" should be good enough to settle allot of peoples nerves.

The reality is that most of us devs really don't care about the success or failure of others. BS failing is not a reason for us to speak out because:

1- We're not PR people, we're devs, our work is on our projects and nothing more so we ignore these things because people want us to work not talk. We also barely pay attention to it because we don't have the time for it.

2- Making public posts without having all the information of what happened or having followed the development closely will make us look like we're just shitting on them and could result in a shot in the foot, ignorance is no excuse after all.

3- The most important one, we rarely share the same demographic. This is especially true in adult games, the public attention a project gets is cracked with fetishs attracting people from one area and isolating people from another.

Take Future Fragments for example, it gets a lot of attention from people that like 2D Sidescrollers, Metroidvanias and Megaman style games. As for fetishs they get people that enjoy a bit of everything (thanks to their long list). Breeding Season is targetted mostly to a furry, monster, and bestiality fanbase making everyone outside that crowd unlikely to check the project.

With such a big difference on their targets it is very unlikely that the opinion of one dev or comparisons from different projects can be made. Especially when the fanbase of one area is so different to others (Furries with money to throw). So while BS is certainly the biggest, it is also the biggest among furry, monster and bestiality lovers.

However, I do agree with you on the part that devs should at least say something on the matter, even if it is something vague and we've seen it right here on this forum, which is why forums like these with a good number of devs are important.