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One of the big problems facing the people trying to fill in the wiki bestiary with enemy data is that their stats are different on each map. I personally don't know if the difference is arbitrary, or if it follows a pattern (i.e. this map that drops lvl 3 units has lvl 3 goblins, whereas this later map that drops lvl 5 units has lvl 5 goblins rather than this early map has lvl 10 goblins, and this later map has lvl 8 goblins).
One thing I do know is that the goblins at Rural Gate have very close to 600 HP, whereas the goblins at Royal Castle Reclamation have more than 648. I just tested it with my sniper, who has 379 attack (with the Prince's buff), and she can't 2-shot them, whereas my Prince, who has 395 attack, can 2-shot them. So, I'm reasonably close to reaching their 2-shot damage threshold with the sniper.
I think the only mistake I made in this game is that I 30CCed Daniela instead of Soma. Daniela is a pretty strong archer, and would have benefited from a 50CC, whereas Soma would've been best left for the early CC so I had a temporary sniper until I can replace her with one of the higher tier archers. I only have two extra archers, and if I wanted to CC Adelle, then I would need to get another one so I can CC my spare Daniela if it came down to it (unless I luck out and draw a gold or higher archer from the summoning).
You can safely assume that I already know about the data included in the wiki. So, information that would be useful to me would be data not on there yet (unless it's speculations in the chat bbs board).
One of the big problems facing the people trying to fill in the wiki bestiary with enemy data is that their stats are different on each map. I personally don't know if the difference is arbitrary, or if it follows a pattern (i.e. this map that drops lvl 3 units has lvl 3 goblins, whereas this later map that drops lvl 5 units has lvl 5 goblins rather than this early map has lvl 10 goblins, and this later map has lvl 8 goblins).
One thing I do know is that the goblins at Rural Gate have very close to 600 HP, whereas the goblins at Royal Castle Reclamation have more than 648. I just tested it with my sniper, who has 379 attack (with the Prince's buff), and she can't 2-shot them, whereas my Prince, who has 395 attack, can 2-shot them. So, I'm reasonably close to reaching their 2-shot damage threshold with the sniper.
I think the only mistake I made in this game is that I 30CCed Daniela instead of Soma. Daniela is a pretty strong archer, and would have benefited from a 50CC, whereas Soma would've been best left for the early CC so I had a temporary sniper until I can replace her with one of the higher tier archers. I only have two extra archers, and if I wanted to CC Adelle, then I would need to get another one so I can CC my spare Daniela if it came down to it (unless I luck out and draw a gold or higher archer from the summoning).
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Keep in mind that plat and black archers need 3 silver archers for CC, it's the only class as far as I can remember who need 3 identical silver unit. (and silver archer are needed too in other plat and black CC)
Keep in mind that plat and black archers need 3 silver archers for CC, it's the only class as far as I can remember who need 3 identical silver unit. (and silver archer are needed too in other plat and black CC)
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Noted, in that case just becareful with your deployment cost. In the early stage, placing a thief behind the prince is also viable.
Following is meant to be a joke: Ridiculous, how could you early CC Soma-chan? That's horrible! You obviously don't understand the good that is Soma-chan. Apparently, there's a
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in 2ch describing how good Soma-chan is. And I am a believer. (Min cost, Skill 4/5, Lv50 Soma-chan ftw. The important part is the min cost by the way, gold will cost 2 more even at min cost)Even if you say that, there's always Daniela, unlike the case with witches. Still, I have felt the pain as well, since I needed 3 silver archer for Nanaly. I also need another silver archer for Soma-chan.
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Is the 2nd part of the event going to start on the 12th or earlier than that? If this whole event is going to be extended past the 12th, I really have nothing to worry about. I think I only need a few more days to 1 star it. Of course it'd be a lot easier if I could find some witch/mage multiples. Without that I may need to max level 2 bronze mages and that sucks
Is the 2nd part of the event going to start on the 12th or earlier than that? If this whole event is going to be extended past the 12th, I really have nothing to worry about. I think I only need a few more days to 1 star it. Of course it'd be a lot easier if I could find some witch/mage multiples. Without that I may need to max level 2 bronze mages and that sucks
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Double checks: someone kill me now, black valkyrie ate at least 3 silver units a gold unit since lv30, and still at lv41. This was not what I expected. From now, for black unit alone, I feed them Lv10 bronze until lv40. Anyone has a better idea? Since I am stuck at mage wars and don't have access to black fairy outside of Fairy Rescue event.
In my opinion, it's always good to have a 24 cost Lv35 bronze mage for quick deply. Since you always need something with defense ignore/aoe. The only problem with a bronze mage is it's range.Of course it'd be a lot easier if I could find some witch/mage multiples. Without that I may need to max level 2 bronze mages and that sucks
Me too, me too! The gold event is happening right now (and will continue for another 10 hours) you should go and get a lot of gold if you plan to do 50CCs. Contrary to experience, where 40->50 is just double exp of 1->40, the cost for leveling from Lv40->Lv50 made me cry. Especially when 8x experience isn't available like for black unit. I have fed so many silver/gold units to my black valkyrie, and her experience barely moved, it's making me despair.
Double checks: someone kill me now, black valkyrie ate at least 3 silver units a gold unit since lv30, and still at lv41. This was not what I expected. From now, for black unit alone, I feed them Lv10 bronze until lv40. Anyone has a better idea? Since I am stuck at mage wars and don't have access to black fairy outside of Fairy Rescue event.
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Re: Aegis Thousand Year War - DMM Online Game
Bronze lvl 10 seem the most efficient (thou longest) way to level gold and better units if you dont have the fairies or LOTS of silver units. I feel gold units are better used on other gold or platinum.
Bronze lvl 10 seem the most efficient (thou longest) way to level gold and better units if you dont have the fairies or LOTS of silver units. I feel gold units are better used on other gold or platinum.
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Well CC50 two black units here (without the black fairy farm), i level my black unit to 30-35 with normal way (nom nom nom rural gate drop), and after this here comme the pain don't bother to farm fairy from the 3 cost gift mission just farm 1 cost gift mission since 1 star fairy give same multiplier than a plat fairy.
After these it's just a 3 fairy + lvl 20 bronze units feeding spam it's time and gold consuming but i don't see any other way (and i have a lot of black unit left to CC).
Note: right now i try to keep ressources (money and fairy) for a quick upgrade of the event dragon girl (and level up my black units to lvl 20 just in case the dragon girl don't worth it)
Note Note: or you can just wait the fairy daily until you get a bunch of black fairy and CC your black unit like any other unit.(time consuming but gold friendly)
Well CC50 two black units here (without the black fairy farm), i level my black unit to 30-35 with normal way (nom nom nom rural gate drop), and after this here comme the pain don't bother to farm fairy from the 3 cost gift mission just farm 1 cost gift mission since 1 star fairy give same multiplier than a plat fairy.
After these it's just a 3 fairy + lvl 20 bronze units feeding spam it's time and gold consuming but i don't see any other way (and i have a lot of black unit left to CC).
Note: right now i try to keep ressources (money and fairy) for a quick upgrade of the event dragon girl (and level up my black units to lvl 20 just in case the dragon girl don't worth it
)Note Note: or you can just wait the fairy daily until you get a bunch of black fairy and CC your black unit like any other unit.(time consuming but gold friendly)
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Blub, beat the gold mission just for the free crystal, got Bandit Head Motima from 5 gacha *throws it into the pile of them* x.x At least I can use the level 10 silver to really kick one of my fighters up in levels (Probably Valerie or Alisa). I haven't eaten a silver unit yet. Ah, why couldn't I have found a mage or witch instead x.x
The daily surely is nice for gold. I have 55k though so it's not a big issue yet. I'm sure if I decide to 50cc a couple of my fighters it will be. Still just need silver fairies/favor gifts and exp mostly. Hope all you newer players are progressing well to beat 60/1 in time.
Blub, beat the gold mission just for the free crystal, got Bandit Head Motima from 5 gacha *throws it into the pile of them* x.x At least I can use the level 10 silver to really kick one of my fighters up in levels (Probably Valerie or Alisa). I haven't eaten a silver unit yet. Ah, why couldn't I have found a mage or witch instead x.x
The daily surely is nice for gold. I have 55k though so it's not a big issue yet. I'm sure if I decide to 50cc a couple of my fighters it will be. Still just need silver fairies/favor gifts and exp mostly. Hope all you newer players are progressing well to beat 60/1 in time.
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Appreciate the tips, I will do Lv21 silver unit + 3 fairies. Mostly because I ended up with like 3 useless rouges (right rarity, wrong name, +7 exp per level, hence worth 150+140 exp * 3.375 = 978 exp per) extra from rare/premium gacha.
In terms of fairy daily, I can do that for my black Valkyrie. But I want to get Nanaly to lv50 (CC material already prepared) before Thursday, so I can use her for the magic crystal quest if there's anything I want. I am hoping/guessing the black dragon soldier gets added for 400 magic crystal so I can have it for the dragon princess. (Will be broke by end of the event)
Resources wise: no fairies left (I have murdered my gold fairy army for that pink heavy armor) and I have prepared 220k from the gold event. (Used 2 goddess crystal and recharged stamina twice, I have no regrets)
The platinum ninja and samurai from gacha is so useless outside of the event, has anyone found a proper way to use them? (At the moment, I am considering to let nanaly feed on them)
Appreciate the tips, I will do Lv21 silver unit + 3 fairies. Mostly because I ended up with like 3 useless rouges (right rarity, wrong name, +7 exp per level, hence worth 150+140 exp * 3.375 = 978 exp per) extra from rare/premium gacha.
In terms of fairy daily, I can do that for my black Valkyrie. But I want to get Nanaly to lv50 (CC material already prepared) before Thursday, so I can use her for the magic crystal quest if there's anything I want. I am hoping/guessing the black dragon soldier gets added for 400 magic crystal so I can have it for the dragon princess. (Will be broke by end of the event)
Resources wise: no fairies left (I have murdered my gold fairy army for that pink heavy armor) and I have prepared 220k from the gold event. (Used 2 goddess crystal and recharged stamina twice, I have no regrets)
The platinum ninja and samurai from gacha is so useless outside of the event, has anyone found a proper way to use them? (At the moment, I am considering to let nanaly feed on them)
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Do you guys actually bother to eat iron units? I usually sell all iron units and only eat spare bronze that I'm not using for 3x fairies. Also do you level up your bronze/silver units before you use them for 3x fairies? It doesn't really seem worth it to me unless it's like a level one silver or something. I usually just use a level 3-4 bronze I get from Rural or that exp level for 3x fairies.
I had trouble understanding the translations on the "Synthetic" page of the wiki, but I think it says it's most exp/cost effective to not level up girls before eating them. You guys seem to be saying that level 20 bronze would be best though.
Do you guys actually bother to eat iron units? I usually sell all iron units and only eat spare bronze that I'm not using for 3x fairies. Also do you level up your bronze/silver units before you use them for 3x fairies? It doesn't really seem worth it to me unless it's like a level one silver or something. I usually just use a level 3-4 bronze I get from Rural or that exp level for 3x fairies.
I had trouble understanding the translations on the "Synthetic" page of the wiki, but I think it says it's most exp/cost effective to not level up girls before eating them. You guys seem to be saying that level 20 bronze would be best though.
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Yeah, my Lv1~Lv25 are all from iron units. I only sell if I have no money left. Since my goal is to get strong enough to clear maps that are harder than Dragon King 2.
For synthesis, it has to do with cost:
Lv3 Bronze gives 80+10 = 90 exp
Lv10 Bronze gives 80+9*5 = 125 exp (Requires 6 Lv3 Iron, and 1760 gold)
For a level 41 base unit, it costs 1.8k gold per unit being synthesized.
Hence 90 exp * 4 = 360 exp for 7.2k gold. 1080 exp for 21.6k gold
Versus 125 exp * 4 = 500 exp for 7.2k gold. 1000 exp for 14.4k gold
The gold that you lost for leveling Lv3 bronze to Lv10 is regained since you don't have to spend another 7.2k gold.
Yeah, my Lv1~Lv25 are all from iron units. I only sell if I have no money left. Since my goal is to get strong enough to clear maps that are harder than Dragon King 2.
For synthesis, it has to do with cost:
Lv3 Bronze gives 80+10 = 90 exp
Lv10 Bronze gives 80+9*5 = 125 exp (Requires 6 Lv3 Iron, and 1760 gold)
For a level 41 base unit, it costs 1.8k gold per unit being synthesized.
Hence 90 exp * 4 = 360 exp for 7.2k gold. 1080 exp for 21.6k gold
Versus 125 exp * 4 = 500 exp for 7.2k gold. 1000 exp for 14.4k gold
The gold that you lost for leveling Lv3 bronze to Lv10 is regained since you don't have to spend another 7.2k gold.
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Hmm? Oh haha, you just edited this. I was going to say my healer at 40 only costs 7040 for 4 synthesis. Alright thanks.
Little fix though, feeding 6 Lv3 Iron to your Lv3 bronze costs 1120 + 880 = 2000. Also that's 6 x 300 coins worth of iron units you can't sell for money so you could say it also costs 1800. That's 3800 cost just to get the level 3 bronze to 10, multiply that by 4 and it's 15200. Now add on the 7.2k gold for 22400 I believe. So, is it really better? Doesn't seem like it to me. Level 10 bronze unit is only worth 115 exp as well x.X
Hmm? Oh haha, you just edited this. I was going to say my healer at 40 only costs 7040 for 4 synthesis. Alright thanks.
Little fix though, feeding 6 Lv3 Iron to your Lv3 bronze costs 1120 + 880 = 2000. Also that's 6 x 300 coins worth of iron units you can't sell for money so you could say it also costs 1800. That's 3800 cost just to get the level 3 bronze to 10, multiply that by 4 and it's 15200. Now add on the 7.2k gold for 22400 I believe. So, is it really better?
Doesn't seem like it to me. Level 10 bronze unit is only worth 115 exp as well x.X
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Yeah, I usually go double-check my values/correct mistakes after I post it. (Really should be using preview)
I think the samurai from gacha can be used for solo battle 3. Going to try it after (and if) I finish my giant backlog.
Yeah, I usually go double-check my values/correct mistakes after I post it. (Really should be using preview)
But you get the basic idea. Also, fairies requires stamina, hence when there's a good event like now, there's no extra stamina for fairies.
I think the samurai from gacha can be used for solo battle 3. Going to try it after (and if) I finish my giant backlog.
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I have a serious problem with not double checking my messages before I post them, so I get it haha. I think about 75% of my posts are edited on Ulmf.
TLDR:
Without Fairies:
4 Level 3 Bronze Hector's fed to a level 40 silver unit costs 9040 for 320 exp (28.25) gold per exp
vs
4 Level 10 Bronze Hector's fed to a level 40 silver unit costs 24249 for 460 exp (52.72) gold per exp
or
With Fairies:
1 Level 3 Bronze Hector + fairies fed to a level 40 silver unit costs 7540 + 3 silver fairies for 4500 cost = 12040 total cost for 640 exp (18.81) gold per exp
vs
1 Level 10 Bronze Hector + fairies fed to a level 40 silver unit costs 11340 + 3 silver fairies for 4500 cost = 15840 total cost for 920 exp (17.22) gold per exp
In short, don't level up bronze units unless you're A: Around level 40 or higher on the unit and B: Are going to use 3 x2 fairies with it.
Let me know if I missed anything or messed up anywhere. I should probably fix the costs to have them make more sense, sorry, my head works in a weird way. Should be fixed now.
I have a serious problem with not double checking my messages before I post them, so I get it haha. I think about 75% of my posts are edited on Ulmf.
Level 40 silver unit = 1760 cost to synthesis one unit, 7040 for 4.
6 Lv3 Iron units into 1 Lv3 Bronze (Hector) = Level 10 Bronze for 3800 cost (2000 synthetic cost from leveling the bronze, 1800 from the cost of iron units wasted)
Level 10 Bronze (Hector) = 115 exp x 8 = 920 exp
7040 + 3800 + 500 (The unit itself) = 11340 cost
Total Cost: 11340 + 3 silver fairies for 4500 cost = 15840
17.22 gold per exp
Level 3 Bronze (Hector) = 80 exp x 8 = 640 exp
7040 + 500 (The unit itself) = 7540 cost
Total Cost: 7540 + 3 silver fairies for 4500 cost = 12040
18.81 gold per exp
Hmm maybe at higher levels it'd be better because of increased synthesis cost? But testing a level 40 silver, leveling the Bronze unit seems doesn't seem that great to me. I mean it is a bit better at higher levels. Without the fairies it is much worse:
4 level 3 bronze units (Hector) = 7040 synthesis cost + 2000 (cost of units) = 9040 cost for 320 exp. (28.25) gold per exp
vs
4 level 10 bronze units (Hector) = 7040 synthesis cost + 17200 (cost of raising bronze units to 10 + cost of units) = 24240 cost for 460 exp. (52.72) gold per exp
I'm not seeing the benefit here o.o At least it's a bit better if you're at a very high level to use 3 fairies. You certainly don't want to level up bronze units to use without fairies though.
6 Lv3 Iron units into 1 Lv3 Bronze (Hector) = Level 10 Bronze for 3800 cost (2000 synthetic cost from leveling the bronze, 1800 from the cost of iron units wasted)
Level 10 Bronze (Hector) = 115 exp x 8 = 920 exp
7040 + 3800 + 500 (The unit itself) = 11340 cost
Total Cost: 11340 + 3 silver fairies for 4500 cost = 15840
17.22 gold per exp
Level 3 Bronze (Hector) = 80 exp x 8 = 640 exp
7040 + 500 (The unit itself) = 7540 cost
Total Cost: 7540 + 3 silver fairies for 4500 cost = 12040
18.81 gold per exp
Hmm maybe at higher levels it'd be better because of increased synthesis cost? But testing a level 40 silver, leveling the Bronze unit seems doesn't seem that great to me. I mean it is a bit better at higher levels. Without the fairies it is much worse:
4 level 3 bronze units (Hector) = 7040 synthesis cost + 2000 (cost of units) = 9040 cost for 320 exp. (28.25) gold per exp
vs
4 level 10 bronze units (Hector) = 7040 synthesis cost + 17200 (cost of raising bronze units to 10 + cost of units) = 24240 cost for 460 exp. (52.72) gold per exp
I'm not seeing the benefit here o.o At least it's a bit better if you're at a very high level to use 3 fairies. You certainly don't want to level up bronze units to use without fairies though.
TLDR:
Without Fairies:
4 Level 3 Bronze Hector's fed to a level 40 silver unit costs 9040 for 320 exp (28.25) gold per exp
vs
4 Level 10 Bronze Hector's fed to a level 40 silver unit costs 24249 for 460 exp (52.72) gold per exp
or
With Fairies:
1 Level 3 Bronze Hector + fairies fed to a level 40 silver unit costs 7540 + 3 silver fairies for 4500 cost = 12040 total cost for 640 exp (18.81) gold per exp
vs
1 Level 10 Bronze Hector + fairies fed to a level 40 silver unit costs 11340 + 3 silver fairies for 4500 cost = 15840 total cost for 920 exp (17.22) gold per exp
In short, don't level up bronze units unless you're A: Around level 40 or higher on the unit and B: Are going to use 3 x2 fairies with it.
Let me know if I missed anything or messed up anywhere. I should probably fix the costs to have them make more sense, sorry, my head works in a weird way. Should be fixed now.
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About the samurai class, you can replace your soldier with it and make a great combo with mage but well it's mmmm absolutely not deployment cost friendly. maybe we can found a battle in phase 2 who really worth a samurai deployment ?
Edit: and yep we are really near phase 2 if it's like the last event.
About the samurai class, you can replace your soldier with it and make a great combo with mage but well it's mmmm absolutely not deployment cost friendly. maybe we can found a battle in phase 2 who really worth a samurai deployment ?
Edit: and yep we are really near phase 2 if it's like the last event.
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Thanks for the heads up, I'll save some energy to see. 2 hours to go I guess.
Thanks for the heads up, I'll save some energy to see. 2 hours to go I guess.
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There we go~ Wow 5 hours long, they don't mess around. Long enough time to recover most of your energy points, so better spend it all before 10am Japan time tomorrow (11 and a half hours from this post.)
"◆ ◆ Notice of maintenance
We patronage a thousand years war Aegis Mori Seiki Group ,
Thank you very much .
From Tuesday, 10:00 , we will carry out maintenance February 4, 2014 .
[ Maintenance ] implementation time
( Tue) 15:00 scheduled end on February 4 ( Tue) 10:00 , 2014 February 4, 2014
[ Maintenance ] correspondence content
· Adding a second half " revival of Ryuhime " emergency mission
A problem was fixed
For We ask everyone for the user, and in up to 5 minutes before the start of maintenance
Like you please quit the game , thank you.
With regard to the data had been received to play just before maintenance
There is the case that can not be saved properly .
Time zone since the above can not be asked to play the game ,
I ask for your understanding in advance .
But I will apologize for the inconvenience to our customers by maintenance ,
Humbly , thank you for your understanding and cooperation .
Thousand years war Aegis management team"
There we go~ Wow 5 hours long, they don't mess around. Long enough time to recover most of your energy points, so better spend it all before 10am Japan time tomorrow (11 and a half hours from this post.)