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I really like the idea for the succubus!


If she falls asleep she'll come meet you in a dream? That sounds like it could be interesting. Does she have a skill that puts herself to sleep?
 

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There is also subscribe star as an alternative to patreon. Patreon has the habit of deleting pages with little warning if they don't like the content.
 

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I actually tried to throw a sleeping potion on a monster girl to reverse raping them.
Didn't worked. :(
Reverse rape = woman rapes man, not MC rapes character, it's an easy mix up to make. But yeah, those sleeping potions can easily be used for that, never thought of those, but since you can forge those onto weapons, it could be a bit OP, forge a weapon with 2 sleeping potions then fill in the enhancements with only sleeping potions, you'll end up with a "Rape the world" weapon.
 

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Reverse rape = woman rapes man, not MC rapes character, it's an easy mix up to make. But yeah, those sleeping potions can easily be used for that, never thought of those, but since you can forge those onto weapons, it could be a bit OP, forge a weapon with 2 sleeping potions then fill in the enhancements with only sleeping potions, you'll end up with a "Rape the world" weapon.
Sounds like my kind of weapon ;).
 

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Reverse rape = woman rapes man, not MC rapes character, it's an easy mix up to make. But yeah, those sleeping potions can easily be used for that, never thought of those, but since you can forge those onto weapons, it could be a bit OP, forge a weapon with 2 sleeping potions then fill in the enhancements with only sleeping potions, you'll end up with a "Rape the world" weapon.
The status effects currently in the game are super strong.
You already have confusion, and sleep.
Confusion and paralysis are just... stupid powerful.

The only bad status effect is poison. Since it's a turn-based game it's slow acting. Also, there's not enough high health enemies where percent damage every turn makes a difference.
 
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The status effects currently in the game are super strong.
You already have confusion, and sleep.
Confusion and paralysis are just... stupid powerful.

The only bad status effect is poison. Since it's a turn-based game it's slow acting. Also, there's not enough high health enemies where percent damage every turn makes a difference.
They're only super strong because you can turn a one-time use item into a "will proc more than once" weapon, if you couldn't forge them onto weapons, they would become a lot more valuable.
 

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They're only super strong because you can turn a one-time use item into a "will proc more than once" weapon, if you couldn't forge them onto weapons, they would become a lot more valuable.
I personally like how Dark Souls handles those weapons.
Each attack increases a meter that shows how likely it is for the attack to proc a status effect. If it gets to max you get the status effect. So you can't really get the status effect on the first attack usually, and if you back up or attack someone else for too long their resilience to the status effect increases.
 
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Sorry for the late responds guys, we had been busy attending some game show past week. And as it’s year’s end, our team members will be looking to take a short break around End of January. And we will still try to respond to all of you at least once every week or two weeks. Our translator still needs to translate the game itself, and he won’t be able to do that if he just keep responding messages all the time. Anyways, wish y’all a happy new year!

The connection between Eastern developers and Western consumers which is very lacking. I'm subbed to both Ason and Poring because they are both high quality developers who release content in English for the genre i want (Reverse rape//Monster girl)

Each existing platform has it's issues and i will outline them here.

DLsite: DLsite is the largest H-game distribution platform in the west and it is a website that all H-gamers know. The site has higher traffic than any other site when it comes to H-games which are directed primarily towards Japanese customers, however there are is a English variation of DLsite which hosts English translated H-games as well as Chinese versions of the game. The biggest problem with DLsite for customers is that it has small incentive to cater specifically to English speakers, 'English' Dlsite is a bit of an afterthought, another gigantic problem is the fact that all of the art which is submitted to DLsite needs to have some amount of censorship. Dicks and Vaginas are blurred out at least a bit, which hurts the experience. For developers, the problem is the gigantic cut of the profits that DLsite takes from them. As the main vehicle for this content, most developers are going to have at least some presence on DLsite and the majority of their sales are probably going to take place on DLsite as well.

Steam: Steam is increasingly becoming a popular spot for a small amount of H-games, as the single largest games distribution platform on PC, Steam is a very good option for English speaking customers if they can get approved. The problem is, their approval process is a complete guess and usually the only thing you can do to ensure that you game gets on Steam for sure is to gut it of any H-content, then release an offsite patch to put it all back in. Theres also no guarantee that your game get any kind of traction on steam unless someone is specifically looking for it. Kagura games has made somewhat of a presence on Steam by having an offsite website for patching as well as handling the translation of the game itself. Some games released by Kagura have done VERY well, but those games usually have a very bland genre and the gameplay isn't anything special or innovative.

Patreon: This is probably my favorite option, but again it is an option that isn't always available, it is also the most expensive option. Patreon allows the devs to listen to community input in the process of developing the game. It also (ideally) offers a translation of the game to the native language of those supporting the dev, the best part is that the final, uncensored version of the game can be transmitted to supporters without having to be filtered through a censor first for either DLsite or Steam.

Other Options: There aren't many other good options, I've seen Itch.io suggested, but a quick look tells me that this website isn't focused towards adult games of any kind for whatever reason. The traffic through the website isn't there either.

Important Factors:

Traffic: This effects the amount of people who can be made aware that a game even exists, let alone decide to buy it. In terms of specific H-game traffic, nothing is more direct than DLsite.

English Localization: Most of the translations are only done for extremely high quality games and often time, it is a third party translator such as an unreliably hobbyist on ULMF or a Patreon Translator like =Together=. Games put on steam will deliberately create a translation, but otherwise it is not often that games get a translation at all. The original dev may not even know or care that an English translation exists.

Uncensored Art: This is the worst part honestly. There is a sea of uncensored art probably rotting on the hard drives of many Japanese developers, but their local government does not allow for the dissemination of that uncensored art work in Japanese which is their primary customer base. Alot of Japanese Developers will use Cien which is part of DLsite rather than use Patreon and the volume of sales are primarily from Japanese, so unless it is a truly enterprising Japanese Developer, they won't put in all of the extra work required to transmit an uncensored patch to a third party who can distribute it outside of Japan. One of your only real options is to trust a publisher like Kagura in hopes that they will make your game popular on Steam.


In economics, a common saying about the most important aspect of sales is 'Location, Location, Location'. When talking about Sales on the Internet however, the most important factor should be 'Traffic, Traffic, Traffic'. There is a GIGANTIC, untapped market for interactive sex games. People love gaming and in our culture, porn is becoming more highly valued as sex itself becomes more of a scarcity.
——— This part of reply is from the Ason english translator only, instead of representing the whole team ———

Yeah man, I totally get it. There are many adult-game/manga/anime from Japan that I wish it’s in my language too. I get soooo much more immersed that way, and it would turn my happy time MUCH MORE messier ;)

——— End of translator reply ———

The different platforms issues are all very true. And we will be releasing on Steam with patch link from somewhere TBD, Fantia, DLsite with blur, and also itch.io as Aesthetic suggested before. Our Patrons will be getting a Steam key if they accumulated $30 in total, and they will leave a mark in our game too. The reason for releasing a "clean" version on Steam is not only to pass their approval process, but also to gain exposure in non-adult game sector. We did have some friends who got reported or Steam sees their game as "not appropriate" and their game is banged on Steam.

We want more people be able to enjoy our dedicated art, and that’s why we have a native english speaker onboard in the very beginning.

It doesn't matter how good the game is if it's mostly NTR, guro, or shitplay.
Yes, that’s exactly why we are also spending so much time and efforts into how we can make this game a good game if there is no H-content.

So I ended up with a pirated version of the latest demo without even realising what it was (don't ask how idk) and it was the most pleasant "What is this?" encounter I ever had.

I was by far not expecting any english, so that made playing the demo multitudes easier than I was prepared for. I love games like this, as I grew up on games like Azure Dreams (a hidden gem that I 100% suggest people go try out, playstation over gameboy, but both have merits).

The animations are smooth and sexy, the gameplay is intuitive, and the story we've already got is engaging and interesting, and I feel like I can already guess this world's history. It already feels like a completed product.

I'm a HUGE fan of sexual shenanigans in turn based games (though I prefer combat rape over simple combat sex) and having traps that can put you into a potentially sexy bind is a must. If the MC was a female, this genre of game would be leagues easier to create. So, here're some of my ideas:
Have an item we can find/buy that acts as a trap for enemies only, to give enemies a potentially sexy debuff. What exactly is hard to say, but maybe a trap that can stun them, then you run into them to molest the enemy girl, which can possibly heal you, give you an item, or even be like a "this trap can make the enemy lactate and oh look they will now grapple you and give you a nursing handjob". I'm just pulling shit out of my ass, I'm not sure what's easy or not to develop.

Another thing that could be done, I mentioned Azure Dreams earlier, that game had a throw mechanic too, but it had a unique mechanic that I've yet to see anywhere else. In this, you can throw potions to cause confusion/sleep/etc to an enemy, but Azure Dreams had that sort of mechanic for most of their items. For example, an item that would teleport you to home, when thrown at an enemy, would randomly teleport the hit monster elsewhere on the map. It seems like this is kinda planned already with thrown materials, but I haven't gotten that skill, nor even know if that skill works. They could even have a similar aspect as like my trap suggestion, or be a replacement way to perform.

Either way, I'm impressed by this game already.
Hey man, it’s ok. We understand there are people who leaks our demos onto pirate site, and there is nothing we can do about it. We only hope people who found us through pirate sites are willing to support us when they realize how much hard works we had pour into this game. And the support we got will enable us to make the game even better!

Here is our Patreon site:


You will get much more content here other than just the demos, such as exclusive sneak peak into the animations, some images that won’t be in the game, and you would even be able to vote on the game directions we are going to take.

We currently are going for reverse rape genera, so setting up traps to jump on females could break our fundamentals. And also this mechanic would take quite a while to develop.

And thank you for all your compliments!

Bro that's just regular rape.
Argh, I got confused because they are always the aggressors. :LOL:
Reverse rape = woman rapes man, not MC rapes character, it's an easy mix up to make. But yeah, those sleeping potions can easily be used for that, never thought of those, but since you can forge those onto weapons, it could be a bit OP, forge a weapon with 2 sleeping potions then fill in the enhancements with only sleeping potions, you'll end up with a "Rape the world" weapon.
Sounds like my kind of weapon ;).
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I really like the idea for the succubus!


If she falls asleep she'll come meet you in a dream? That sounds like it could be interesting. Does she have a skill that puts herself to sleep?
We are actually thinking about a Succubus skill that she would put MC to sleep and comes into MC’s dream.
But we are still debating on if we want to put that in, because sleeping would cause other monsters to attack too. And to work our way around it might take a long development time.
There is also subscribe star as an alternative to patreon. Patreon has the habit of deleting pages with little warning if they don't like the content.
Oh, we didn’t know about Subscribestar, might be worth looking into. Yeah, Patron does do that, but it’s also one of the most populated platform…
I personally like how Dark Souls handles those weapons.
Each attack increases a meter that shows how likely it is for the attack to proc a status effect. If it gets to max you get the status effect. So you can't really get the status effect on the first attack usually, and if you back up or attack someone else for too long their resilience to the status effect increases.
Well, to be frank, our producer is also a fan of Dark Soul, and he seems to remembered something when he saw your comment.
He might change the proc mechanism. Please look forward to what he will make in future. ;)
 

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We are actually thinking about a Succubus skill that she would put MC to sleep and comes into MC’s dream.
But we are still debating on if we want to put that in, because sleeping would cause other monsters to attack too. And to work our way around it might take a long development time.
I feel like it could be potentially easy to implement that. Some of my ideas: make it so EVERY enemy on the map suffers a status effect that prevents movement (sleep/paralysis) and prevents spawns from happening during the succubus' dream rape, or make it so the dream happens in a completely different map, but save the map state of the dungeon, OR, make it so it not only makes the MC fall asleep and warp to a new map, but also pushes him via warping to the next floor upon waking up. If the latter happens, then naturally give the attack an easy to escape from wind up.
 
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I feel like it could be potentially easy to implement that. Some of my ideas: make it so EVERY enemy on the map suffers a status effect that prevents movement (sleep/paralysis) and prevents spawns from happening during the succubus' dream rape, or make it so the dream happens in a completely different map, but save the map state of the dungeon, OR, make it so it not only makes the MC fall asleep and warp to a new map, but also pushes him via warping to the next floor upon waking up. If the latter happens, then naturally give the attack an easy to escape from wind up.
We are currently developing the traps mechanics, please look forward to our future demo updates. ;)
 
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Hey guys, we have released a new demo v0.06.
Here is the link:

And as we mentioned before, the team will be taking a break at the end of January till early February.
We have been quite busy lately, so there won’t be too much stuff to catch up when we are back from the break. The voice actress for succubus is still composing her recordings, so we will be posting other monster girl instead.

Thank you all, and let us know what you think of the new demo!
 

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Hey guys, we have released a new demo v0.06.
Here is the link:

And as we mentioned before, the team will be taking a break at the end of January till early February.
We have been quite busy lately, so there won’t be too much stuff to catch up when we are back from the break. The voice actress for succubus is still composing her recordings, so we will be posting other monster girl instead.

Thank you all, and let us know what you think of the new demo!
GREAT NEWS.

I will try it as soon as I can.
 

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Getting a visual error in the newest version.
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I wasn't getting this error in previous versions, so I have to play the game maximized to not get bothered by it.

Regarding the game, I think it's still pretty fantastic.

My only problem is that you are punished too heavily when seeing the adult scenes. I think the adult stuff doesn't happen enough and the cost of it happening is extremely high.
I really like animations so I like this game more than Succubus Basket but Succubus Basket is more erotic than this one.

Now I'm not saying that the game should be battlefuck like Succubus Basket. I like your current gameplay system a lot. I just think there's more you can do to make the adult stuff happen without the hero losing all of his life. I think the biggest solution is to make the erotic actions possible even when the player has life. I can think of a few good ways to do that... but I believe in your general creativity. Your traps idea with the succubus was interesting.

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Regarding Gameplay Additions:
I will say that I like the Press X to give up this body prompt addition.
I also like the random buffs that spawn in the game. I'm not sure if they appear on the map though.
The Keep Item menu is a fantastic addition! It gives extra power to the player so I fully understand why you made the game harder.

Oh! The exit also looks different on the minimap in comparison to items. That was a good change!

So far really liking where the game's going!
 
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Getting a visual error in the newest version.
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I wasn't getting this error in previous versions, so I have to play the game maximized to not get bothered by it.

Regarding the game, I think it's still pretty fantastic.

My only problem is that you are punished too heavily when seeing the adult scenes. I think the adult stuff doesn't happen enough and the cost of it happening is extremely high.
I really like animations so I like this game more than Succubus Basket but Succubus Basket is more erotic than this one.

Now I'm not saying that the game should be battlefuck like Succubus Basket. I like your current gameplay system a lot. I just think there's more you can do to make the adult stuff happen without the hero losing all of his life. I think the biggest solution is to make the erotic actions possible even when the player has life. I can think of a few good ways to do that... but I believe in your general creativity. Your traps idea with the succubus was interesting.

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Regarding Gameplay Additions:
I will say that I like the Press X to give up this body prompt addition.
I also like the random buffs that spawn in the game. I'm not sure if they appear on the map though.
The Keep Item menu is a fantastic addition! It gives extra power to the player so I fully understand why you made the game harder.

Oh! The exit also looks different on the minimap in comparison to items. That was a good change!

So far really liking where the game's going!
That error is quite strange, we’ve not came across that before, and no one has reported it either.
Hmm… Please let us know if it continues to occur for the next version, thanks!

We will be changing the adult content a little bit after the basic functions are done. And we might changing some adult scenes, which doesn’t require your HP to reach 0. However, we still need to try and see what would work the best. :D

We are happy to hear that you enjoyed the new adjustment and functions! It makes our effort worth while, and there will be more optimization down!

P.S. This month’s new demo may be delayed a bit, but we will still try to release it by the end of month, please look forward to it.
 

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We will be changing the adult content a little bit after the basic functions are done. And we might changing some adult scenes, which doesn’t require your HP to reach 0. However, we still need to try and see what would work the best.
This is great news. My only problem with this game is how low on erotic content it "feels" it has. I know that objectively speaking it has a lot.

I hope you can make special scenes, like waking up to Doroelle happen randomly as well. Maybe Doroelle has a lust meter where if it goes too high she has sex with you when you wake up? If this happens you get to keep more soul power on revive or something?

In games like Teaching Feeling, it really feels like the heroine loves you when she acts on her own to approach you with sex, so I hope the mentality regarding the sex scenes with the main heroines isn't like a traditional visual novel where it happens once, and that's it.
 
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This is great news. My only problem with this game is how low on erotic content it "feels" it has. I know that objectively speaking it has a lot.

I hope you can make special scenes, like waking up to Doroelle happen randomly as well. Maybe Doroelle has a lust meter where if it goes too high she has sex with you when you wake up? If this happens you get to keep more soul power on revive or something?

In games like Teaching Feeling, it really feels like the heroine loves you when she acts on her own to approach you with sex, so I hope the mentality regarding the sex scenes with the main heroines isn't like a traditional visual novel where it happens once, and that's it.
Yeah I agree completely.

Reverse Rape games are erotic because it feels like the girls in the game are lusting after you. That makes the girls themselves very erotic.

I don't think there's much to be concerned about on that front though when it comes to Ason. In Ason's Succubus Basket, the other Succubi inside the mansion would sometimes want to have sex and you needed to fight them off, so I think Ason does a good job of making the heroines show their eroticism through the gameplay.
 
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