ACT Guro [D-lis] Night of Revenge / 魔女は復讐の夜に (RJ405582)

[UnexpectedTwist]

Actually, those two games are actually a pretty good comparison for the violence scenes in this game. So like on a scale of Resident Evil to Mortal Kombat, I'd say these scenes are around the range of Resident Evil. More specifically, the PS1 trilogy. Even has the same kinds of deaths as well.

Also, similar to what was just mentioned, I always considered pornography to be the be all end all genre of sexual content. And stuff as extreme as guro is just a sub-genre of porno. So it's weird to see porno and extreme fetishes talked about as two separate things.

 

[robdelobe]

Man, I just downloaded the latest build and I gotta say, I had no idea how much my impression of the game would improve thanks to something as simple as adding sfx to the menu.

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This is mostly towards the general lean of the thread, but since you've pretty much brought up the relevant points I figure it's more convenient to make one reply than to collect the individual quotes I want to address

The key issue here generally falls upon the fact that mixing gore and porn is, for most people, pretty distasteful where having one or the other simply isn't seen nearly as poorly...

This is just the "Global standards" argument in our niche's microcosm. Not something I'd give any credence after watching what Sony did to their partners with it. We should know better.

..bait and switch of gore porn.

This is just a matter of opinion to me. One of the scenes being complained about involves a quest about missing persons. Once you find the guy and call him out he basically says something like, "Why yes, I love abducting and butchering chicks!" while holding a butcher knife. Then he transforms and you fight him. Pretty straight forward. The other scenes are more vague but someone like me could easily say, "huh, I was wondering when you'd show up" especially given some of the scenes in Bullet Requiem. Sure, not as hard. But just as "out of nowhere" for a porny game.

its not exactly like the game itself has really painted itself out to be a game that would feature gore for the vast majority of its development.

Who gets to decide that? It's not even finished yet. Even so, D-lis wore his inspirations for this game on his sleeve pretty openly. It's not like anyone doesn't know how dark and brutal those games got. Hell, we should be glad that he's free to express things as dark and as brutal as he wants since he doesn't have to worry about appeasing ratings boards.

its a HUGE turn off for me as a whole

But not for others. Black Cyc and Clockup still get's business. Hell! They even get some of their stuff localized. I think it's just a matter of being more mature about consuming art. There's plenty of content I wish I could throw off of a rooftop. I just do my best to turn a blind eye to the stuff I dislike or drop it entirely. The last thing I try to do is try to rationalize why art should be altered to suit my tastes(or just mod it), even if it's extra-degenerate art.

and when not properly accounted for, makes me feel like I have to walk on eggshells at times just to avoid the content

I'm sure It'll get it's tags once it up for sale. But I'm sure we'll get some config toggles at some point.

I'd simply feel much better without them being included.

The risk of the PC being brutally murdered because you fucked with the wrong guy might be what gives the setting the context it needs to be believable/engaging/hot for some people. Why advocate for people to not have the things they like because someone else doesn't like them?

(clicker beware. You're in for a scare)

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But, if the game is good enough, and has some content porn wise, or gameplay wise that can make me overlook it in in the porn game, I can generally live with it. I've made it through far worse at least, though, I still haven't taken the dive to see just how brutal the gore-y scenes in this game are, though I somewhat doubt they are as bad as others out there... but at the same time given the quality of animations in the game in general, I could imagine them being pretty painful to watch as well if given the same level of quality as the rest of the games animations.

This is the bit that made me question the wisdom of replying to this post. But like I said: it's just more convenient for me to address the thread this way

 

[Devorax]

I was hoping the goat boss would cumdump her before executing her like that

 

[BraveNewWrold]

I get what fatality is, but watching guts and insides explode with the pieces flying everywhere while I am trying to fap is just plain disgusting.

Anything beneath the skin surface that involves a lot of blood, intestines and organs, is not sexy. For me.

Not wrong, but you can avoid it by trying. I like having choices to do. Think of it as a motive to NOT getting end up that way.
I am not into that too, but I still like having choices and let the author do what he has in mind.

 

[AberLine]

 

[paparapa]

This is the second thread I've seen where people complain about horror elements in a game with horror themes. Ryona/guro seems like it makes for a good filter, like ugly bastard.

There is a difference between playing a Dark soul or Mortal Kombat game which is based on horror and gore, versus a hentai game where your main objective is porn.

Most of us play or seen Mortal Kombat x where blood and gores are a norm. We played it because of the gore. But if anyone can get a hard on erection from watching those intestines being pulled out from the vagina, chop off the head and even fuck the throat and still thinks all that are sexy, need to start seeking some psychology counselling.

 

[hhh7773]

Actually, those two games are actually a pretty good comparison for the violence scenes in this game. So like on a scale of Resident Evil to Mortal Kombat, I'd say these scenes are around the range of Resident Evil. More specifically, the PS1 trilogy. Even has the same kinds of deaths as well.

Also, similar to what was just mentioned, I always considered pornography to be the be all end all genre of sexual content. And stuff as extreme as guro is just a sub-genre of porno. So it's weird to see porno and extreme fetishes talked about as two separate things.

Yeah honestly, having seen a couple of the scenes now I'd say they aren't all that bad in the end. Obviously nothing I'll wind up drawing any sexual pleasure from, or gonna actively seek out, but I suppose it is the sort of thing that drives you to NOT get game over'd, which is pretty much the norm outside of hentai games in all honesty. I still haven't seen the animation involving the Fallen Knight boss, but the goat man and knight ones aren't too over the top really. I'd honestly almost prefer these methods as opposed to them being tied to sexual animations as well, as it doesn't wind up being a mixture of eroticism and gore.

And yes, while technically guro is a subset of hentai/animated porn, which in itself is just a subset of porn as a whole, gore doesn't tend to ever be viewed as that by the vast majority of people who consume porn. Its even debatable how many people wind up being taken in by ryona/extreme roughness, but it doesn't really invalidate them as kinks in the end, just makes them far, far more niche than say, creampie/cumplay as a kink. One clearly lends itself to sexual situations(obviously), while the other is generally far removed from it.

In the end though, virtually anything can be seen as a subsection of porn when you get into the nitty gritty, as the amount of kinks that are swirling around out there are pretty innumerous at this juncture.

There is a difference between playing a Dark soul or Mortal Kombat game which is based on horror and gore, versus a hentai game where your main objective is porn.

Most of us play or seen Mortal Kombat x where blood and gores are a norm. We played it because of the gore. But if anyone can get a hard on erection from watching those intestines being pulled out from the vagina, chop off the head and even fuck the throat and still thinks all that are sexy, need to start seeking some psychology counselling.

Yeah, this is a pretty good way to view it honestly. Even as dark and horror themed as something like Bloodborne is, and blood being such a key element to the games narrative even, the player character won't ever really be anything close to eviscerated, or have anything that would particularly draw blood in general outside of just general combat. In fact, the worst animation that really comes to mind in Souls as a whole is the Chaos Eaters, but that's more of a personal thing probably as I absolutely HATE those things with a passion, both in terms of design visually, and how easy it can be to fall into them. xD

 

[Derp666]

Most of us play or seen Mortal Kombat x where blood and gores are a norm. We played it because of the gore. But if anyone can get a hard on erection from watching those intestines being pulled out from the vagina, chop off the head and even fuck the throat and still thinks all that are sexy, need to start seeking some psychology counselling.

I've always found it a little disturbing that some porn games tie in gore and sex very closely together, it makes me question the kind of person that enjoys it. There are definitely some odd tastes out there but I've always found gore porn the most disturbing.

 

[robdelobe]

This is probably the last time I speak on this since the thread looks like it starting to derail.

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But if anyone can get a hard on erection from watching those intestines being pulled out from the vagina, chop off the head and even fuck the throat and still thinks all that are sexy, need to start seeking some psychology counselling.

Given that practically all the sex animations in this game are some sort of rape and alot of them are pretty cruel and/or brutal, anyone whom enjoys them probably doesn't have the moral high ground to call other people sick for liking what they like. Some of these scenes are literally forms of torture. The gallery even takes place in a blood-crusted torture chamber. In one scene, Aradia has her crotch being forced down onto a metal wedge by her own body weight plus the heavy-looking weights attached to her legs. The pain she's feeling from having her pelvis feel like it's being split open and clit crushed is probably excruciating. And that's just one scene. Aradia gets slapped around all sorts of ways. If people get off on torture then that's fine. I also like those scenes. I'm even okay with her getting punched in the face and choked-out even though I don't feel the appeal of "straight/dry" ryona.

Again, what bothers me is when people who get off to some hardcore rape/sexual torture call other people sick because they have a different kink. This lack of self-awareness is what gets us into trouble. For instance:

...start seeking some psychology counselling.

Let's say you're not wrong. I would even go as far to say psychiatric treatment might be necessary. But this likely applies to all of us here, if that's the case. You already have how the metaphysical cuckoldry of getting off to watching other people have sex affects the brain. Add on the to that fact the kinks in this game are pretty extreme even without the gore and you got some pretty fucked-up dudes, here. Even if guro is farther up on the fucked-up spectrum than most of our shit is, we still gotta be aware, and accept, our stuff is pretty high up there too. Just think about where you're coming from before obliquely insulting people just for liking something you don't like. It's kinda fucked up.

This is the reason I made the "filter" comment. Because it seemed to reveal disruptive actors. Earlier in the thread we had a post pointing out "pushback" D-lis was supposedly getting on Ci-en just for adding the scenes he wanted to add to his game. That's crap. He works too hard to get shit over something like this. Even if he's not getting harassed or anything like that... "pushback" over something like this? That's garbage. Now the thread verges on derailing with general "this kink is bad" posts that don't even reference the game itself.
Ex:

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I've always found it a little disturbing that some porn games tie in gore and sex very closely together, it makes me question the kind of person that enjoys it. There are definitely some odd tastes out there but I've always found gore porn the most disturbing.

We even have posters like you obliquely insulting others with comments like,"anyone who likes this needs to see a shrink."

Ryona/guro seems like it makes for a good filter.

I stand by this statement. Especially now that it looks like I'm being vindicated.

That out of the way... I'm really liking the progress so far. I'm thinking I might start supporting D-lis again. The only reason I stopped is because D-lis basically stopped accepting donations on the website I was donating on. Might take a little bit of effort since my banking situation is a bit obtuse right now.

Man, that was years ago, huh?

 

[RandomUser9475]

If I remember right Bullet Requiem wasn't exactly shy regarding ... more brutal details. It's more of a return to form.

That said, let's hope that the Candore animation isn't head chopping, that would be such a shame.

 

[helltauros]

If I remember right Bullet Requiem wasn't exactly shy regarding ... more brutal details. It's more of a return to form.

That said, let's hope that the Candore animation isn't head chopping, that would be such a shame.

we want her to give head but not like that.

 

[IreliaYun]

got caught in a bug where Aradia got hit and couldn't get up, there were no nearby enemy to enter sex animation(to try to escape/get up via the animation) so I just esc+enter to self destruct
and then I found in the game over scene there were blood on his dick...
maybe it's because I've never entered a sex animation before so it was considered virginity lost?

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there were clearly no blood in the game over animation files but the blood were "attached" to the dick, no idea what happened
and Aradia is still considered virgin after the game over animation, it doesn't count

 

[IreliaYun]

some things I've tested out
1. undead type enemies do take damage from "blessed/holy" type damage from other enemies (the knight's sword swing probably counts as physical so no damage for undead)
2. the "unable to parry" attacks CAN be parried, but the enemy won't be staggered ; "unable to block" attacks can not, but you'll still take less damage from it if you manage to parry it
3. new found bug: if you enter sex animation with the special fishman (the one drops the hammer on death), you both disappear
you can still see the sword swing trail of both but you neither deal nor take damage
(the game over scene of this stage is also the "work in progress" stuff, in which you cannot reach the truth of Aradia gets raped

 

[paparapa]

This is probably the last time I speak on this since the thread looks like it starting to derail.

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Given that practically all the sex animations in this game are some sort of rape and alot of them are pretty cruel and/or brutal, anyone whom enjoys them probably doesn't have the moral high ground to call other people sick for liking what they like. Some of these scenes are literally forms of torture. The gallery even takes place in a blood-crusted torture chamber. In one scene, Aradia has her crotch being forced down onto a metal wedge by her own body weight plus the heavy-looking weights attached to her legs. The pain she's feeling from having her pelvis feel like it's being split open and clit crushed is probably excruciating. And that's just one scene. Aradia gets slapped around all sorts of ways. If people get off on torture then that's fine. I also like those scenes. I'm even okay with her getting punched in the face and choked-out even though I don't feel the appeal of "straight/dry" ryona.

Again, what bothers me is when people who get off to some hardcore rape/sexual torture call other people sick because they have a different kink. This lack of self-awareness is what gets us into trouble. For instance:



Let's say you're not wrong. I would even go as far to say psychiatric treatment might be necessary. But this likely applies to all of us here, if that's the case. You already have how the metaphysical cuckoldry of getting off to watching other people have sex affects the brain. Add on the to that fact the kinks in this game are pretty extreme even without the gore and you got some pretty fucked-up dudes, here. Even if guro is farther up on the fucked-up spectrum than most of our shit is, we still gotta be aware, and accept, our stuff is pretty high up there too. Just think about where you're coming from before obliquely insulting people just for liking something you don't like. It's kinda fucked up.

This is the reason I made the "filter" comment. Because it seemed to reveal disruptive actors. Earlier in the thread we had a post pointing out "pushback" D-lis was supposedly getting on Ci-en just for adding the scenes he wanted to add to his game. That's crap. He works too hard to get shit over something like this. Even if he's not getting harassed or anything like that... "pushback" over something like this? That's garbage. Now the thread verges on derailing with general "this kink is bad" posts that don't even reference the game itself.
Ex:We even have posters like you obliquely insulting others with comments like,"anyone who likes this needs to see a shrink."



I stand by this statement. Especially now that it looks like I'm being vindicated.

That out of the way... I'm really liking the progress so far. I'm thinking I might start supporting D-lis again. The only reason I stopped is because D-lis basically stopped accepting donations on the website I was donating on. Might take a little bit of effort since my banking situation is a bit obtuse right now.

Man, that was years ago, huh?

There is a small difference between horny degenerate who are into hentai rape scenes which I can claim I am one (Who here after so long isn't?), versus those who gets aroused by and only by murder scene that involves decapitating's your victims and gutting them out till they bleed to death and playing with their intestines. The content of rape is at a different scale. The artwork and details involved at a different scale., I don't see slashing a women's throat during sex, is a sexy thing. That is a diff level of fandom. If you enjoyed the killing during rape scene then that is your thing.

The only reason people are affected by this statement is when they truly enjoy the killing during rape scenes. Might not work for me but hey, if it is your thing then go ahead.

 

[cybeast]

Can we stop fucking each other via their fetish and get back to fucking Aradia?

 

[robdelobe]

got caught in a bug where Aradia got hit and couldn't get up, there were no nearby enemy to enter sex animation(to try to escape/get up via the animation) so I just esc+enter to self destruct
and then I found in the game over scene there were blood on his dick...
maybe it's because I've never entered a sex animation before so it was considered virginity lost?

edit
there were clearly no blood in the game over animation files but the blood were "attached" to the dick, no idea what happened
and Aradia is still considered virgin after the game over animation, it doesn't count

I think the game over animations are like Bad Ends. They don't actually happen when you continue the game.

If I remember right Bullet Requiem wasn't exactly shy regarding ... more brutal details. It's more of a return to form.

That said, let's hope that the Candore animation isn't head chopping, that would be such a shame.

Considering the arena's background art... Imma put my money on "penetration."

 

[Mister_cat]

Since apparently it's planned to find Candore on a Tentacle Iron Maiden, maybe there is hope for something not involving crucifix penetration, right?

Right?

 

[Fuana is cute]

There is a small difference between horny degenerate who are into hentai rape scenes which I can claim I am one (Who here after so long isn't?), versus those who gets aroused by and only by murder scene that involves decapitating's your victims and gutting them out till they bleed to death and playing with their intestines. The content of rape is at a different scale. The artwork and details involved at a different scale., I don't see slashing a women's throat during sex, is a sexy thing. That is a diff level of fandom. If you enjoyed the killing during rape scene then that is your thing.

The only reason people are affected by this statement is when they truly enjoy the killing during rape scenes. Might not work for me but hey, if it is your thing then go ahead.

What you doing here...is rubbing in salt on an untreated wound and not helping any one by doing that...that's legal here ?
Wouldn't you get banned for that ?

I would like to talk a bit more but I don't want to get banned lol

 

[DarkFire1004]

The guro conversation is relevant to the game itself, so there is no need for you guys to steer the topic back to just the game, unless you want to.

Also, I've added the guro prefix to this thread.

 

[DodgeTheLoyal]

Anyone remember how to get the auto translator to work? I've tried redoing the steps but I can't seem to get it running again. This new update is pretty damn good I must say.

Edit: My tiny brain figured it out.