Lurker Wars 2 Discussion Thread
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Ah, sorry. I used a Cliché line to save time. Just "they are evil" is reasonable as long as you can justify it. The Redwall books are a very good example of this, they manage to make the 'always chaotic-evil' vermin justified with enough exposition. Things that need to be addressed like why are beings that "live only to destroy" helping each other? How did they get advanced weaponry? Why would self-centred evil beings want to attack a heavily defended forum instead of a softer target? They're supposed to be humans, so what made them choose evil - what lured them to behave the way they do? There are likely several points beyond these listed that should have been addressed in the story.
I suppose a better way to put it, instead of "they didn't have a reason for being evil", is that the Lurkers did not have enough thought go into their background. We've rather passed the optimal point for 'enemy evilness justification', we're now in the territory where if you tried to justify the enemy's actions, it'd be seen as a sort of "They're not evil after all - they're just misunderstood!" moment. With a little effort, you can probably avoid heading into this territory, though.
Hmuuur, it’s strange. I can't remember any trolls in the story... and if we were fighting trolls, why the hell were Obe and Mo helping us?
Ah, sorry. I used a Cliché line to save time. Just "they are evil" is reasonable as long as you can justify it. The Redwall books are a very good example of this, they manage to make the 'always chaotic-evil' vermin justified with enough exposition. Things that need to be addressed like why are beings that "live only to destroy" helping each other? How did they get advanced weaponry? Why would self-centred evil beings want to attack a heavily defended forum instead of a softer target? They're supposed to be humans, so what made them choose evil - what lured them to behave the way they do? There are likely several points beyond these listed that should have been addressed in the story.
I suppose a better way to put it, instead of "they didn't have a reason for being evil", is that the Lurkers did not have enough thought go into their background. We've rather passed the optimal point for 'enemy evilness justification', we're now in the territory where if you tried to justify the enemy's actions, it'd be seen as a sort of "They're not evil after all - they're just misunderstood!" moment. With a little effort, you can probably avoid heading into this territory, though.
Hmuuur, it’s strange. I can't remember any trolls in the story... and if we were fighting trolls, why the hell were Obe and Mo helping us?
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I think we need to look more at how the forum works here. We all started off as lurkers. What is important to note is the fact that we changed. We evolved into the tighter community we are today. In the first Lurker Wars it was made clear that the lurkers would rape and kill their own, but we never covered the thing with all of us starting out as lurkers. I think there should be more examples of internal dispute between the Lurkers, and I also think that we could say they were a chaotic sosciety, envious of the regulars, then they were united under Super. The whole point of a lurker is that they are unable to contribute, whilst a troll is an all hating mindless deformed monster, driven only by primal instincts and hunger for destruction and suffering.
I think we need to look more at how the forum works here. We all started off as lurkers. What is important to note is the fact that we changed. We evolved into the tighter community we are today. In the first Lurker Wars it was made clear that the lurkers would rape and kill their own, but we never covered the thing with all of us starting out as lurkers. I think there should be more examples of internal dispute between the Lurkers, and I also think that we could say they were a chaotic sosciety, envious of the regulars, then they were united under Super. The whole point of a lurker is that they are unable to contribute, whilst a troll is an all hating mindless deformed monster, driven only by primal instincts and hunger for destruction and suffering.
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There is way too much thought being put into this... this is a forum based story, purely for entertainment. Think of it as a Michael Bay summer blockbuster type deal (okay not that bad...), not something more akin to A Beautiful Mind or some such.
Also, I'm not really presenting the Lurkers as humans in the first place. They are, but I'm not presenting them as such. Again, I havn't revealed any villains, I'm on the first chapter. I have their motivations planned out... and it still just leads to wanting to rape, kill, plunder and burn. Not much good in them at all.
There is way too much thought being put into this... this is a forum based story, purely for entertainment. Think of it as a Michael Bay summer blockbuster type deal (okay not that bad...), not something more akin to A Beautiful Mind or some such.
Also, I'm not really presenting the Lurkers as humans in the first place. They are, but I'm not presenting them as such. Again, I havn't revealed any villains, I'm on the first chapter. I have their motivations planned out... and it still just leads to wanting to rape, kill, plunder and burn. Not much good in them at all.
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@ Wonderboy: What this forum calls Lurkers is what most forums usually call 'noobs'. While we tend not to make a distinction between Lurkers who show the promise of becoming members (what most places call 'newbs'), and Lurkers who will never become good members (what most places call 'noobs'), other places normally do. (In fact, Lurkers, by the average Internet definition, tend to be seen in a very neutral-to-good light.) So, in that sense, every member started off as a 'newb' Lurker, while the Lurkers we fight in the story are the 'noob' Lurkers.
THIS, internal-dispute(-or-at-least-more-page-time-for-the-baddies), is what I have been getting at and trying to accomplish with my not-quite-completely-evil character, and also what I mean by 'the Lurkers should have more definition'. If original Lurker Wars was/were to show that, as you put it, "(the Lurkers) were a chaotic sosciety[sic], envious of the regulars, then they were united under Super.", then it would have been/will be significantly better.
I have no idea what any of those examples are, but I get the gist.
That's all I ask, really. Just devote some page time to the enemy, make them believable, and I will be happy. Probably even if you were to fuck up every other aspect of the story, but that's just ‘cause I'm a villain fanatic.
Agreed.
@ Wonderboy: What this forum calls Lurkers is what most forums usually call 'noobs'. While we tend not to make a distinction between Lurkers who show the promise of becoming members (what most places call 'newbs'), and Lurkers who will never become good members (what most places call 'noobs'), other places normally do. (In fact, Lurkers, by the average Internet definition, tend to be seen in a very neutral-to-good light.) So, in that sense, every member started off as a 'newb' Lurker, while the Lurkers we fight in the story are the 'noob' Lurkers.
THIS, internal-dispute(-or-at-least-more-page-time-for-the-baddies), is what I have been getting at and trying to accomplish with my not-quite-completely-evil character, and also what I mean by 'the Lurkers should have more definition'. If original Lurker Wars was/were to show that, as you put it, "(the Lurkers) were a chaotic sosciety[sic], envious of the regulars, then they were united under Super.", then it would have been/will be significantly better.
I have no idea what any of those examples are, but I get the gist.
That's all I ask, really. Just devote some page time to the enemy, make them believable, and I will be happy. Probably even if you were to fuck up every other aspect of the story, but that's just ‘cause I'm a villain fanatic.
Agreed.
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OKay, okay. I know I'm slow. Some situations that have had to be dealt with in real life, plus the addiction of fallout 3 has caused some slowness to chapter 2. However, I am currently at four pages, and see another 2 more coming. Perhaps more but we'll see. The rough draft will hopefully be sent to the editor in a few days.
OKay, okay. I know I'm slow. Some situations that have had to be dealt with in real life, plus the addiction of fallout 3 has caused some slowness to chapter 2. However, I am currently at four pages, and see another 2 more coming. Perhaps more but we'll see. The rough draft will hopefully be sent to the editor in a few days.
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No no. I've been running different scenarios through my mind daily. Just little things that I think would be cool in the story, ways I want to run with the characters, how I'm working in Host, and bringing up the plot line that were abandoned with Ex-Lurker Chronicles.
No no. I've been running different scenarios through my mind daily. Just little things that I think would be cool in the story, ways I want to run with the characters, how I'm working in Host, and bringing up the plot line that were abandoned with Ex-Lurker Chronicles.
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Hey, Fallout 3 is a perfectly reasonable excuse
Yes, real-life issues always come first. Anyone who disagrees... is either a troll, or has no 'real' life.
I have faith that sinful would have told us or sent word through someone on here if she had - for any reason - been forced to abandon/postpone this project
Hey, Fallout 3 is a perfectly reasonable excuse
Yes, real-life issues always come first. Anyone who disagrees... is either a troll, or has no 'real' life.
I have faith that sinful would have told us or sent word through someone on here if she had - for any reason - been forced to abandon/postpone this project
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Heh. At least she has reasons for the delay.
Heh. At least she has reasons for the delay.
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It amuses me that Fallout 3 is such an accepted reason.
It amuses me that Fallout 3 is such an accepted reason.
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Don't tell me anything I have not gotten through it yet!!
Don't tell me anything I have not gotten through it yet!!
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Hell, I've restarted for the fifth time now (though I think I finally have it down) because I'm OCD about getting my character as awesome as possible
When the new perks and level cap came out, the "Almost Perfect" made me hawt XD
so, I'm working with a starting SPECIAL that goes like this: 6-5-7-3-7-7-5
Ant Sight and the Lucky 8-ball will help with getting perks until lvl 30, at which point I grab the "Almost Perfect" (unequipping the 8-ball first if I want my luck to go to 9 instead of 8; there's a glitch, find out more yourselves) and then and ONLY THEN do I grab the SPECIAL bobbleheads.
And my CHR is at 3, because I put 1 point into Intensive Training, raise CHR to 4, and then take Child at Heart perk... Not the best perk, but it makes some things easier.
Hell, I've restarted for the fifth time now (though I think I finally have it down) because I'm OCD about getting my character as awesome as possible
When the new perks and level cap came out, the "Almost Perfect" made me hawt XD
so, I'm working with a starting SPECIAL that goes like this: 6-5-7-3-7-7-5
Ant Sight and the Lucky 8-ball will help with getting perks until lvl 30, at which point I grab the "Almost Perfect" (unequipping the 8-ball first if I want my luck to go to 9 instead of 8; there's a glitch, find out more yourselves) and then and ONLY THEN do I grab the SPECIAL bobbleheads.
And my CHR is at 3, because I put 1 point into Intensive Training, raise CHR to 4, and then take Child at Heart perk... Not the best perk, but it makes some things easier.
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Okay, for some reason I cant find the first LW discussion thread so I'll post it here; I've almost finished, about 2/3's of the way through so it should be done by the time Im on next time.
Okay, for some reason I cant find the first LW discussion thread so I'll post it here; I've almost finished, about 2/3's of the way through so it should be done by the time Im on next time.
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Same here. I have about two-five paragraphs left in the second to last chapter.
Same here. I have about two-five paragraphs left in the second to last chapter.
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*Grins* I fully expect to die horribly for causing such trouble.
I noticed these ages ago, wrote them down but didn’t find them again till today.
*Grins* I fully expect to die horribly for causing such trouble.
I noticed these ages ago, wrote them down but didn’t find them again till today.
Tricky. Difficult to find a phrase that gets your idea across, probably needs a change of intention, maybe dropping the idea about the blood she had lost.
should be gravestones
The mind needs to be identified as Nunu's, either with "its", "Nunu's", or some other form of identifier.
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You're not causing trouble, in fact you've given me a good way to explore a plot thread long thought abandoned.
I like the line where she talks about the blood she shed, meaning she was there, fighting. I dunno, I liked it.
Minor detail really. My spell check didn't like it as one word.
I was actually having some interesting fun writing Nunu's stuff like that, and I intend to continue on doing so. Give's Nunu, a very Nunu presence.
You're not causing trouble, in fact you've given me a good way to explore a plot thread long thought abandoned.
I like the line where she talks about the blood she shed, meaning she was there, fighting. I dunno, I liked it.
Minor detail really. My spell check didn't like it as one word.
I was actually having some interesting fun writing Nunu's stuff like that, and I intend to continue on doing so. Give's Nunu, a very Nunu presence.
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Gah, can't believe I forgot about this.
I like the idea behind it, but 'the own' is awkward. Which is a shame, because there is no way that I can think of to convey the idea, "the friends she had lost and the blood she had lost", without it sounding like crap (see quotation-marked section). The best I can get is "those that had fallen and the blood she had lost".
Yeah, but I thrive on minor details. I'm about 90% sure that gravestone is a compound word... it's probably just your spellchecker showing it's fallibility.
I should have figured it'd be something like that. I've no problem with it being like that, and agree that it makes Nunu very Nunu-y.
Oh, and there's no apostrophe on 'gives'. =P
Gah, can't believe I forgot about this.
I like the idea behind it, but 'the own' is awkward. Which is a shame, because there is no way that I can think of to convey the idea, "the friends she had lost and the blood she had lost", without it sounding like crap (see quotation-marked section). The best I can get is "those that had fallen and the blood she had lost".
Yeah, but I thrive on minor details. I'm about 90% sure that gravestone is a compound word... it's probably just your spellchecker showing it's fallibility.
I should have figured it'd be something like that. I've no problem with it being like that, and agree that it makes Nunu very Nunu-y.
Oh, and there's no apostrophe on 'gives'. =P