[Nutaku] Flower Knight Girl

[Eab1990]

Re: [Nutaku] Flower Knight Girl

Let me stop you right there, FKG is not realy heavily on loli from 152 girl not even half of em are loli heck maybe only 10-20% of em are loli and the 5% from that is consider older girl with flat chested.

As i said its funny because most people said "hype" about the game and suddenly 1 pic showed up with simplest edit and people were like "nope, not going to play because edited art". I mean seriously you guys already know its nutaku so ofc they going to do something about the loli art duh

On the contrary, I think the outrage is justified. Overblown, yes, but justified. But that's more because of Nutaku's lack of consistency, not their censorship policy in general.

Again, it doesn't make sense that one loli gets boobjobbed and the other 3+ lolis get off scot-free.

 

[barillian]

Re: [Nutaku] Flower Knight Girl

Let me stop you right there, FKG is not realy heavily on loli from 152 girl not even half of em are loli heck maybe only 10-20% of em are loli and the 5% from that is consider older girl with flat chested.

If you don't see 10-20% of girls being loli as loli-heavy, then I have nothing else to say to you. But it is useful to list how many lolis this game has, so that people have an idea what's going to get ruined in the dread future that awaits us: We currently have Purple Pansy, Asagao, Strawberry, Marigold, White Clover, Marguerite, Hibiscus and Mint, and we will be getting Lavender, Hanamomo, Daisy, Nerine, Hypericum, Pitahaya, Lantana, Viola, Poinsettia, Christmas Rose, Heliotrope, Euonymus, Monkshood and Cineraria.

There are some borderline cases like Helenium, Eucalyptus, Pumpkin, Rainlily and Delphinium, but let's ignore them for now. That's still over 20 loli characters in a game, and they are sure to make more because they got an overwhelming demand for them during their broadcasts, and girls like Daisy and Violet have become very popular. This is a loli-heavy game, no two ways about it.

I mean seriously you guys already know its nutaku so ofc they going to do something about the loli art duh

This is the worst attitude one can have towards Nutaku, treating censors as something that is natural and should happen instead of something that the company is doing for its own benefit. Make no mistake, Nutaku doesn't have to censor anything, they are doing this because it allows them to save trouble with their vague, yet menacing, payment agencies. It's the smoothest path for them, not the only one, and they take it at the expense of their players. These players should not be okay with this.

Returning to our restaurant analogy, your claim is tantamount to saying "It's Nutaku Dining, of course they're going to shit on your food, there's nothing unnatural about this and you should keep patronizing it." I don't know about you, but I sure don't like eating shit, and so I won't be paying Nutaku Games until they stop defecating on their games and remove the fecal matter that is already there.

I implore all of you to do the same.

 

[anon423]

Re: [Nutaku] Flower Knight Girl

Make no mistake, Nutaku doesn't have to censor anything, they are doing this because it allows them to save trouble with their vague, yet menacing, payment agencies.

With every loli they add unedited, its harder to believe that there's actually any problem with payment processors.
Why would payment processor be okay with absolutely flat, tiny-bodied Aisha paraded across site on all banners and receive no censors, but random 3* unit nobody would care about otherwise and who already had A-cup would require such censoring?
All logic tells that if they would be afraid of payment processor reaction, they wouldn't ever feature Aisha on banners.

 

[Eab1990]

Re: [Nutaku] Flower Knight Girl

We already know that Strawberry, Marigold, Mint, and Aburana (who I assume you didn't list because she's less loli and more DFC/petite compared to the others) aren't censored. That just leaves Purple Pansy, White Clover, Marguerite, and Hibiscus to confirm. And whoever else may be borderline that we missed. And all the AWs and h-scenes.

And yes, while I agree that Nutaku has less reason to censor these days, I doubt they're pressured as much from payment processors or outside backlash. There's too much pointing to the contrary. That still doesn't explain why they choose to antagonize their playerbase at all, but I doubt it has to do with it being, as you say, the "smoothest" path. It still takes time and money to make those edits, to revert those edits, and so on. They know they get backlash for it, so their decisions don't make sense.

 

[barillian]

Re: [Nutaku] Flower Knight Girl

All logic tells

Here's the problem: Nutaku doesn't operate on logic. I was trying to make sense of their behavior, but even if you assume that they're trying to maximize profits, their censorship is completely random, completely unwarranted, and completely without legal or (as you point out) even practical basis. Yet we still have people saying that it's acceptable for them to censor things.

This is sheer insanity. I am baffled why people willingly endure this, think that it's an okay thing to endure, and give money to Nutaku after all that.

 

[Larcx]

Re: [Nutaku] Flower Knight Girl

Returning to our restaurant analogy, your claim is tantamount to saying "It's Nutaku Dining, of course they're going to shit on your food, there's nothing unnatural about this and you should keep patronizing it." I don't know about you, but I sure don't like eating shit, and so I won't be paying Nutaku Games until they stop defecating on their games and remove the fecal matter that is already there.

I implore all of you to do the same.

Well , I def will report that restaurant to police

But Nutaku aren't restaurant though

Still I agree , so if some customer treat like a trash/shit
And they Love it , and say to other consumer
It's natural~
Man...... sad to be that person...

Well , why don't they use the same reason all of this is def OVER 18
(Looking at P2S Santa)

 

[Eab1990]

Re: [Nutaku] Flower Knight Girl

The last time Nutaku devs were confronted about this (

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), they still maintained that they had an image to uphold, even as they were pushing the envelope beyond the prying eyes of the outside public.

So if there were some stupid reason that they had to censor one loli and only one loli or something because of said public image, it'd be a retarded explanation, but it would be some slight justification nonetheless. Stupider shit has happened with censorship laws before.

Obviously, their explanations don't hold much water when Aisha, Pero santaloli, etc. exist, and everyone would like Nutaku to make this a non-issue altogether, but consistency is the first step. We clearly don't want this randomness down the line, so it's important to set the record straight now.

 

[barillian]

Re: [Nutaku] Flower Knight Girl

I don't think that's how "benefit of the doubt" works, but suit yourself. You're obviously committed to declaring this as dead more than I am.

One last note here: I'm not saying that the game is dead. FKG is a game that relies on character interactions rather than gameplay, so their willingness to ruin characters is worrying, but it may well succeed because Nutaku's players are... rather gullible, to put it kindly. What I'm saying is that, if they refuse to handle it properly, we should kill it, at least a little bit. If Nutaku is adamant on pursuing its freakish censorship policy, the players always have the option of retaliating by refusing to pay. User outrage will eventually force their hand, if the loss to profit is great enough.

Now, I actually want this game to succeed, since its profits will also benefit the original team behind it, which I respect greatly. I am also entirely willing to shill for Nutaku's version if I see the slightest evidence that they can be trusted with the game. But I have seen none, so I'm telling people to move to DMM and use Nutaku's translations to read the story: This way, you can directly support the game without also having to support the idiotic direction Nutaku has taken it.

Also, the DMM version has guaranteed ways to get rainbows, so there's that as well.

 

[Larcx]

Re: [Nutaku] Flower Knight Girl

Stupid question...
Since I don't play some of the other Nutaku game

Any chance the boobjob / boobimplant / boobhorrororwhatevertheycalled
Will be change back unedited?
Is there any case like this already change back?

If they only hide it for now
And will change it back after
I might forgive them~

 

[barillian]

Re: [Nutaku] Flower Knight Girl

Will be change back unedited?

Yes, some edits have been reverted in other games.

But only after sustained player complaints, hence why it's important to raise a ruckus about the censorship in FKG.

 

[plmnko]

Re: [Nutaku] Flower Knight Girl

I dont see the reason for all this bunch of "players" to be whining so much. FKG dont focus on porn, easily you could ignore it as is a scene per character.

Also the 3star characters ussually aren't used. In the game you tend to focus from 4stars to above after a week of being playing.

 

[Eab1990]

Re: [Nutaku] Flower Knight Girl

I dont see the reason for all this bunch of "players" to be whining so much. FKG dont focus on porn, easily you could ignore it as is a scene per character.

Also the 3star characters ussually aren't used. In the game you tend to focus from 4stars to above after a week of being playing.

Yeah, no. Don't even go there.

I said my stance was lenient, but that doesn't mean people shouldn't get pissed if their favorite characters' art was butchered, even if they were a lower rarity.

Again, the only reason I'm reigning in my complaints is because only Asagao was seemingly edited. If Strawberry, Marigold, etc. were also modified, then by all means, I'd be just as indignant about it, since it would mean that Nutaku's censorship stance was clear.

Right now, we're still getting mixed messages. The current mod on Discord chat isn't helping with his... lack of receptive behavior, to put it nicely.

 

[dartred]

Re: [Nutaku] Flower Knight Girl

whats discord?

 

[Eab1990]

Re: [Nutaku] Flower Knight Girl

whats discord?

You must be registered to see the links

 

[Larcx]

Re: [Nutaku] Flower Knight Girl

To be fair , I play DMM FKG and did not care for porn
I always play on .com not .jp

Still , seing those char getting upsize
Totally not My cup of tea~

 

[anon423]

Re: [Nutaku] Flower Knight Girl

I dont see the reason

1. They declared there are no edits in FKG, and then turns out they publicly lied to us. This alone is more than enough reason.
2. FKG isn't particularly demanding regarding character rarity. There are plenty of people on DMM who use Mint, for example. There are no mob girls in FKG, every of them has her share of presence in story scenes and events and all of them deserve to not be butchered.
3. Give them a finger and they will eat your arm. We already seen what they could do if go unrestrained with Osawari, only continuous publish backslash against any kind of censorship prevents them removing more sword hilts and drawing pentagrams on foreheads.

 

[barillian]

Re: [Nutaku] Flower Knight Girl

I dont see the reason for all this bunch of "players" to be whining so much. FKG dont focus on porn, easily you could ignore it as is a scene per character.

Ah, the old "it's okay for Nutaku to shit on a game as long as they don't do it overmuch" argument. A long-time staple of Aigis threads, and a welcome sight here too. Let's talk a bit about it.

There are three reasons why one should take a hard-line stance against censorship. The first is that, by ignoring it, you are encouraging Nutaku to continue its retarded practice of censoring girls that fail to meet some incomprehensible criteria that only it seems to understand. By extension, you also encourage it to continue its other reprehensible practices, such as repeatedly and unashamedly lying to its users, deleting any post that doesn't sing praises of its service, and pretending that they are powerless in the face of payment agencies, Dev Tea's caprices or whatever other ridiculous excuse they can stick to at the time. "We are a bunch of fools with no concept of good service or a good game," you say to Nutaku, "feel free to delay events, refuse to release characters, add completely unnecessary censors and otherwise mistreat your users, because we'll give money to you regardless."

The second is that it disrespects the original game. See, when I play Nutaku's FKG, what I expect is the Japanese version of the game, minus the Japanese text, plus English text that means what the Japanese text had meant. It would be unreasonable for Nutaku to suddenly decide that, say, Black Baccara speaks like a valley girl, or make Sakura and Ume hate each other instead of being close friends and rivals; it would likewise be unreasonable to edit the body shapes of girls from what they were designed as by their respective artists. The end result of these changes would not be an English version of FKG, but a poor rip-off that fails to capture the original game's (or characters') charm. And allowing these censors (and even verbal censors, like Chloris and Belinda not being blood-related in EN Aigis) into the game would be tantamount to saying "I don't give a shit about what kind of game or characters you made, I will change it to fit my views because I am a shallow bigot and have no respect for your efforts."

The third is that, as I've said time and time again, Nutaku's censorship isn't a necessary thing that its users must put up with, it is optional and Nutaku is enforcing it for its own benefits. Now, I don't know who or what is applying pressure on Nutaku to censor things, since they have shown no clear or consistent pattern in their censorship, but it's clear that this pressure exists. It is also clear that this pressure is not absolute and can be countered by a sufficiently big user outrage. They have uncensored things, when there was enough counter-pressure for it. They have released uncensored girls who are absolutely, unarguably loli, when there was enough counter-pressure on it. If we apply enough pressure for a completely non-censored FKG, it will happen. But you're saying that it shouldn't happen, that we should get a butchered game while we could've gotten the real deal. Why?

In any case, I am completely against any sort of censorship in the EN version, even though I skipped every H-scene on JP and don't particularly like loli characters. Daisy is still cute, though.

 

[Larcx]

Re: [Nutaku] Flower Knight Girl

In any case, I am completely against any sort of censorship in the EN version, even though I skipped every H-scene on JP and don't particularly like loli characters.

I gotta buy You a beer and pizza~

 

[dartred]

Re: [Nutaku] Flower Knight Girl

i stopped playing aigis a while back, before any loli characters, i quit osawari island very early. the only game i am still into since launch is dragon tactic but we dont have any loli.

so i gotta ask, which loli did they edit to be uncensored that they originally censored and which game? i would like to see loli in DT but so far the loli units have been completely removed from DT so i guess we are not making our voice heard loud enough. it sucks that the one game i am supporting financially is the one i enjoy the most, but seems to be the one currently the most censored... i can't seem to have both enjoyment and loli in one game.

 

[EcchiSuki]

Re: [Nutaku] Flower Knight Girl

I dont see the reason for all this bunch of "players" to be whining so much. FKG dont focus on porn, easily you could ignore it as is a scene per character.

Also the 3star characters ussually aren't used. In the game you tend to focus from 4stars to above after a week of being playing.

Well you can ignore the H scene but you can't really ignore your edited favorite character on the main screen that chose to highlight ;p.
ps. mine is this

Spoiler

I'll probably just login daily for login bonuses for english version and continue to play JPN one.
Still disappointed though.