Re: The Ranting/Debate Thread
She wasn't opposing me directly, she was opposing the idea I was stating.
What? When?
What I saw was this:
First man "Hello there, I don't think there's enough red apples on this market."
Second man"Oh, I actually fancy the green one's myself."
First Man "WHAT?! You saying there aren't enough green ones?!"
Second Man: "No, no, I just wanted to tell you that there are people that like green apples."
First Man: "I should be the one telling YOU that I like red apples!"
Second Man: "Hmm, yeah, well red apples are cool if you like them. I think the only reason there aren't more is because the farmer prefers green."
First Man: "You're attacking me!"
This is the rant/debate thread, why would you make a post that has no rant/debating intended?
Well it sure started a debate, didn't it? Also, ULMF has ADHD... It's a fact.
1. Rant/Debate thread. That comment wasn't a rant or part of a debate, just a random statement.
2. The question then remains, why make such a comment at all? Do you not think I don't already know that people enjoy the submission/consensual content? That should be obvious to everyone.
1. Yeah, and those aren't to be found all over this thread?
2. Yes, but did you know for a fact that
Sinful enjoyed submission, which was what she stated in her first post.
The only motive I see is a subconscious feeling. Something was there to drive sinful to make that comment. It obviously wasn't a rant and it obviously wasn't meant to continue a debate...
Really? I can easily see a debate over what is sexy in submission/non-submission working out rather well on this forum. The "Something" that was there could just as easily have been the fact that she wanted people to know she likes submissive rape.
if the comment wasn't meant for the objective of the thread, then there must be an alternative. If the motive was conscious, then I'm sure it would have been a rant or to continue a debate.
I did this before, back at hongfire. There was a random h-movie that was basically submissive rape. I made a comment saying "I sure wish there wasn't any submission, oh well". Something similar to that, but it wasn't a driven hate comment. Just me expressing my opinion and accepting the fact that my opinion won't change anything. The point why I made the post was to basically stand up and raise my hand.
What happened? I got like 3-4 shots back from random people posting similar comments to sinful's. "Well we like the submission, har har har". Unlike my purpose, to remind people that there is another side to fantasy; those others were just plain obvious and thus nothing but pure redundancy. It would be absolutely pointless! Unless! There is the alternative: opposition.
Wow. I'm going to enter your realm of reasoning and psychoanalyze your motives and sub-conscious just from the content of these few posts.
First of all, you seem ashamed and/or unsure of your fetish for rape. This has manifested itself in a slight paranoia for critic against it. As was concluded in the Psychology thread, something that makes this forum so nice is the fact that everyone were sick bastards to begin with, as the common denominator on the forum was tentacle rape. Because everyone knew such an intimate secret about the fetishes of each other, we felt less vulerable.
Now, it seems you are afraid, uncounsciously maybe, of standing out with your fetishes, and in your slight fetish paranoia flail out and attack the first person that immideately appears as "more normal."
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Edit!
I had to tack on some other points. Basically regarding Sinful's point about aritsts not liking rape... I can promise you that near, at least, 80% of all erotica artists will draw full blown rape. I come from this crap and see artist drama way too often. One of the biggest things you have to know is that most erotica artists, draw for fame and fortune. Course, unless they work for a company; then they obviously draw what they're paid to. For free lance artists though, it's about fame and fortune. Most artists will draw popular characters for the fame and most artists will draw whatever genre for the commissions. So if the money is right, they'll do it. If the genre was popular enough, they'd draw it. Most artists don't care what they draw, so long they get the benefits from the result: fame and/or fortune.
I'm not gonna tear this down too much, this is your opinion, and your're entitled to it. Just like Sin is entitled to hers.
Course, you have artists who draw so well, that they end up not having to do much to get fame; so then they'll set their "guidelines" to establish some kind of authority. There is no reason for anyone to dislike any erotica content, all because it's not real. The minute you start to oppose a genre is the minute you question the line separating reality from fantasy.
Opposing a genre and not liking it are two
very different things.
OK. Now to cover my ass.
I will refrain from replying to this topic again, because I have a feeling this may be spiralling towards a flame war. I will still read replies in this thread, but until the topic shifts again I won't post.
I know my post has been overly harsh, and for that I apologize.
As for a general piece of advice on the ULMF forums, we're the sissies of the internet, and we act like it. Ranting against something is one thing, launching attacks is something else.
Tone down the attitude and the intent-analysis, and we'll all be better off.
