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I guess I didn't make it obvious enough that I was joking. Honestly a female main would be cool with the yuri and all, but I don't know how it would work lore wise. I know that there are monsters who will rape female humans for fun and stuff, but most monsters you meet seem to be only interested in food sources or breeding.
I think what you want is good english translations of the ones already out.

Shrift's a good one.
P.D Creation's A World A Robot Girl Dreams of is also a good one.
haamuhaamu made a decent one a while back.

Sad news is it's all machine translated basically. Like seriously, Dargoth's the best. We got lucky he decided to translate MGQ and do it so well.

I kinda wish Torotoro hired an animator for his game, because that would super increase the quality of his games.
To be honest my only hype for violated hero was the tailjob/tailfuck animations. :sneaky:

Now toro its doing the shota on female monster stuff (no boy, no mg but real monsters) was the chance for animated stuff since its "small" project anyway.
 

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Just because it's unanimous that my idea is bad doesn't mean I'm taking back my statement. Gimme more yuri.
 

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Why not a million and 1 then?
We said no.

I just want a well-fleshed out yuri game for a change.
RPG Maker games with yuri being the main focus is something I think would be a nice breath of fresh air, especially since almost every ecchi title coming out is an RPG Maker title.
I get that it's not everyone's pallette, but I'm just feeling burned out on the current cliches.
Something with the scale of MGQ but with yuri-- even if I only get one title out of it-- is something I'd stick around to see.

Just because it's unanimous that my idea is bad doesn't mean I'm taking back my statement. Gimme more yuri.
If it's unanimous that your idea is bad, it's probably bad. A general consensus is more than "brainwashed masses". It's generally reflective of a strong majority in a given audience who are opposed to something for good reason.

As for your other complaints, I can't make heads or tails of whether to take them seriously. Dlsite has its own extensive catalogue and yes, I get that "cliches" can get old. I've had to make a few compromises in my own experience with the h-games media, and found myself either singularly enjoying something, or regretful of having made that compromise. Ultimately, it's how your experience goes. Also, it helps if you take a break from something and focus on other shit.

Nofap exists for a reason, bud.

I personally think it's weird to want a guy who's passionate about a hyper niche subculture and who helped popularized that subculture to then go on and make something generic. Like the guy has passion for monster girls, and femdom. Why would you want him to work on the exact opposite of that?
TTR don't have an interest in expanding into full-blown generic yuri, and for good reason. Like dieselmine, they understand their core audience are people with a taste for the genre and its associated themes. You may get a hint of something here or there that touches on other genres, but it's just a small wink and nod, at most. The Alma Elma x Granberia scene is evidence of that. Their broader appeal is in the femdom themes in their monstergirl games and overarching plot involving shit-tons of fuckery to the time-space continuum that make Kingdom Hearts and Tsubasa Chronicles look coherent.

I never really understood the yuri genre as a guy.

There's a lot of overlap with yuri fans and the games I like so I've tried to understand it unlike the weirdos who like guro and NTR. (lol don't take it personally guys, I don't hate you)
I couldn't get it. There's no explanation either. Like how some people like feet and a lot of people will never be able to convince others WHY they like feet. I can't explain why I dislike girl-on-girl or futa-on-girl. Shit's kinda just disgusting to me. I can't get invested emotionally, and male writers who write female characters never do it as well as their male characters since they're secondary sources on the female experience.
Furries.

I shit you not, for every inconceivable fetish that exists (in your opinion), ask yourself why furries exist. It's a depth of depravity they're comfortable with, and to have to explain to others why the community at large is so demanding of more despite the surplus of content already available, just assume it's because they themselves refuse to do any actual footwork in searching for content. I've been around adult gaming forums long enough to draw this conclusion. Hell, you want a full-blown shithole of a fetish? Mind control. And yet, I embrace it and atagonize my sheltered contemporaries more as an idealist of how much better they could be as a community if they stopped trying to hide from the rest of the world. Furries have more to be ashamed of, and they're more explicit about their fetish than a 90's action film is with its violence.

Maybe you'd get a yuri game with a good story if girls were more interested in porn, though the ones that are kinda just make futa.
As I said, there is a surplus. There is also a substantial number of female connoisseurs of porn. Some of the leading doujin artists for mostly-straight content are female. Those artists have expressed a preference and stated that they prefer drawing straight couplings more because it provides a better opportunity for storytelling. Hell, I've seen female community members who have been annoyed to the point of expressing disdain for western developers who have female-lead games, citing that it's patronizing at this point and they'll willingly overlook anything that tries to cater in that way. Believe it or not, raging, danger-hair women aren't the consumers of this content. They're outliers with no understanding of community or board culture, who bitch about things to bitch.

As for the men, soy is a dangerous drug, man.

First, Ilias' death destabilised space-time because of her being the goddess of holy energy (and because space-time was already weakened by Ilias repeatedly rewinding time to revive Luka), not because of any power vacuum. This resulted in the countless alternate universes, the Paradox one being the first.
I did point out the Ilias being dead thing as a possible contribution, though the constant rewinds didn't do anything to help. The power vacuum thing was more me spit-balling a possible side-effect of how things could be further fucked.

Scientists in the Paradox version of Remina tried summoning Heinrich's spirit using his sword. However, Black Alice's blood on the sword meant that they summoned her instead - specifically, the Black Alice from the original universe who had used White Rabbit and had just been defeated by Luka and Alice. This Black Alice was able to fully become a goddess, a goddess of Chaos, causing the Great Disaster in the Paradox universe.
See, this is why you don't fuck with swords used by famous heros. Either give them to future heros, or bury the fucking thing so the super-bosses can't use them.

Getting serious, though, I hadn't known that detail. It would also make sense, though, given she had absorbed Ilias and Promestein, who were God and pseudo-god at that point, respectively. It's not a stretch for her to then become a God following that defeat, although I do recall Ilias stating she herself had transcended her previous form by absorbing BA after the latter's defeat. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Brynhildr's creator is unknown, but it's implied to be a alternate version of the Seekers of Truth.
I'm sticking with "A Luka did it."

Sonya is still something of a mystery. I'm pretty sure she's not part of the paradox. Her dying at the end of Part 2 only happens on the Ilias route: on the Alice route, Nuruko reveals herself as the Spirit of Chaos and fixes everything without Sonya dying.
She also absorbs an angel or something on the Ilias route, which activates her apoptosis form. Her death is the result of Luka having to deal with it, and someone coming along and replacing Sonya with an alt timeline counterpart to ensure that things play out accordingly. I wasn't made aware of the Alice route thing, but I could see that being more a situation of circumstance in both cases. Even Ilias mentions that she is aware of everyone, and Sonya was an irregularity in her purview. You could cite that that would then disincline any post-loss feedback she gives in paradox as being anything besides fourth-wall breaks, but I would argue that it shows similarly to how she had no idea that Brynhildr exists, Apoptosis exist outside her purview.

Another theory is "Luka did it" in which case the true villains were ANCIENT EGYPT

Promestein's stage scene actually says the opposite - she claims that humans won't die out because one human male can breed with multiple females, so enough human females would still be impregnated to keep the human population up. This arguably wouldn't work since people aren't emotionless robots that follow the greater good, but Promestein doesn't mention this.
Promestein is also a heretic.

Monster with dicks =/= "monster boys" (?)
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Lore wise it works becouse vore but no everyone its on that.
Lore-wise, monsters aren't drawn to women, neither as sustenance or sexual partners. For the former, it's stated in-canon that "critical ecstasy" is the primary reason for monsters to target males. It's supposedly a much easier and more mutually-beneficial process for an all-female race (Luka's son doesn't count) to target their masculine counterparts and drain their seminal fluid for sustenance. I mean, in a more scientifically-accurate sense, semen does contain several nutrients that can lead to a fetus developing better during pregnancy (allegedly). In terms of "as a sexual partner), it's a very rare instance that a monster girl will have that desire. Hell, the Granberia scene with Alma Elma was entertainment for the latter and a conditioning experience for the former.

As a vore thing, it's still debatable. Our few instances of outright malicious vore content was still focused on a preference for male victims and a heavy side of reluctance on female victims as a last resort. No, Cecil's Adventure is not canon.
 

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If it's unanimous that your idea is bad, it's probably bad. A general consensus is more than "brainwashed masses". It's generally reflective of a strong majority in a given audience who are opposed to something for good reason.

As for your other complaints, I can't make heads or tails of whether to take them seriously. Dlsite has its own extensive catalogue and yes, I get that "cliches" can get old. I've had to make a few compromises in my own experience with the h-games media, and found myself either singularly enjoying something, or regretful of having made that compromise. Ultimately, it's how your experience goes. Also, it helps if you take a break from something and focus on other shit.

Nofap exists for a reason, bud.



TTR don't have an interest in expanding into full-blown generic yuri, and for good reason. Like dieselmine, they understand their core audience are people with a taste for the genre and its associated themes. You may get a hint of something here or there that touches on other genres, but it's just a small wink and nod, at most. The Alma Elma x Granberia scene is evidence of that. Their broader appeal is in the femdom themes in their monstergirl games and overarching plot involving shit-tons of fuckery to the time-space continuum that make Kingdom Hearts and Tsubasa Chronicles look coherent.
I'll just be the better person and say I respectfully disagree.
For one, if devs are willing to make shit games and have people pay for it, it might as well be towards something that targets a specific crowd rather than the big pond. Why? Because the big pond will know and they know they have better options. They're just asking to get put on the damn cat for free.
Secondly, if someone has a genuine interest, there's no real reason to put them on a negative spotlight for it-- especially if there's no real harm in asking for a change in pace once in a while. Sure, what I enjoy is pretty much off the table, but throwing the idea out there-- in other words, I'll say it again--


Just because it's unanimous that my idea is bad doesn't mean I'm taking back my statement. Gimme more yuri.
Again, I don't mean any harm with what I'm saying, I'm just one for enjoying something new, not the same recycled plots and art over and over for the following years.
 

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I'll just be the better person and say I respectfully disagree.
For one, if devs are willing to make shit games and have people pay for it, it might as well be towards something that targets a specific crowd rather than the big pond. Why? Because the big pond will know and they know they have better options. They're just asking to get put on the damn cat for free.
Secondly, if someone has a genuine interest, there's no real reason to put them on a negative spotlight for it-- especially if there's no real harm in asking for a change in pace once in a while. Sure, what I enjoy is pretty much off the table, but throwing the idea out there-- in other words, I'll say it again--

Again, I don't mean any harm with what I'm saying, I'm just one for enjoying something new, not the same recycled plots and art over and over for the following years.
What a pretentious way to open your rebuttal. That's all I'm gonna say about that.

For your first point, Maybe you ought to look at threads between here and f95zone. Hell, go take a peak at hypnopics-collective or any erotic rp forum that has an "ongoing" game project. The multitude of bad games that get funded would be hilarious if it weren't indicative of a greater issue with the h-games community as a whole. Way too many people will fund/pay for shit. You ever notice why there is still a growing surplus of newer western h-game devs? It's not an access to technology, friend. They see a market that wants more, and whether pure in their intent or not, also has zero barrier for entry and several thousand gullible bodies to swallow their shit.

Nobody is bullying you or putting a negative spotlight on you. We told you no. You insisted. There is a difference between saying something stupid and getting berated for it (and I have, and I've rolled with the punches, sometimes expressing complaints, others not)and stepping back from the position, and then doubling-down and hoping your position is accepted if you're persistent. Right now, you're in the latter camp and have adopted this victim complex that isn't really attractive.

You may perceive your position as harmless, but I can guarantee the more you hold firm, the more you'll find people telling you to fuck off.

In terms of a "change of pace", this isn't the thread, or the game franchise. People are fine with the direction things have been going, and it's not likely to change because you asked for it. TTR have a successful model to work from. Why should they change just to satisfy a small demographic that has tons of content dedicated to them already? Seriously, nobody goes into the threads of yuri games and says "gee, I wish there was more straight content for this title."

Also, This is pretty much the reaction you'll get from the devs, the community, and especially myself.
 

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I don't think he's acting entitled. I think J300mer J300mer 's just describing something he'd be interested in.

Also regarding this statement.
You ever notice why there is still a growing surplus of newer western h-game devs? It's not an access to technology, friend. They see a market that wants more, and whether pure in their intent or not, also has zero barrier for entry and several thousand gullible bodies to swallow their shit.
Honestly these guys are just passionate about making games, and consumers really really really want more content for their fetish.

Even if the quality's bad or the game goes into limbo, the devs I've seen are all legit trying.

I will say I wouldn't mind personally if Torotoro wanted to make a yuri game. I would lose interest in the game, and I'm pretty sure it'd be a financial hiccup for him, but I think giving creators autonomy in what they WANT to make is the best option.

Even if I don't like Vore, I think Kokage No Izumi's insistence on including it in every game they make is their freedom.
 

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"I like dis"
"Your opinion sucks"
"I disagree. It's my kink, fam."
"HoW PrEtEnTiOUs"

Calm down Hades, not everyone shares your lust for attention. I breathe for yuri, not whatever you're cookin.
 
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Bro what the fuck its happening here ? why im seeing kink shaming in a WIERD PORN PAGE ?!

guys calm you tits, people are just suggesting stuff...

Also F95 its a shithole, i dont know if the page its fulled with underages or the community just sucks but i swear to god theres always a stupid kink shaming fight or straight bashing someone other kink for no reason in every fucking thread.
 

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Bro what the fuck its happening here ? why im seeing kink shaming in a WIERD PORN PAGE ?!

guys calm you tits, people are just suggesting stuff...

Also F95 its a shithole, i dont know if the page its fulled with underages or the community just sucks but i swear to god theres always a stupid kink shaming fight or straight bashing someone other kink for no reason in every fucking thread.
kinkshaming is my kink, ya hypocrite! You're kinkshaming me kink!
 

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Just because it's unanimous that my idea is bad doesn't mean I'm taking back my statement. Gimme more yuri.
J300mer J300mer : Isn't that Yorna game a monstergirl yuri game? Try that out, if you haven't already.


Otherwise, I think a little razzing is fine but there probably shouldn't be excessive kinkshaming here. Personally, I dislike female protagonist games because, when I check DLsite every day, those types are the majority that tend to come out. It makes sense, though. It's a lot easier to just make one girl and have her react to a bunch of grayed out males than it is to make a male react to a lot of well-designed women.
I dislike F95 zone and reddit because they just get swarmed with those VN games that use those terrible 3D women creators. Hate those.

An alternative route, I guess, is to just make your own game that have what you want in it. If it gets popular, people will try to make a similar game. RPGMaker series is on sale on steam right now for another couple days. I'll probably pick it up and try it out myself. I've been learning pixel art and I think I can make a small game and see how it goes from there.
 

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Not going to lie, first time I saw f95 way back when with their "YoU MuSt bE LoGgEd iN tO SeE ThIs" crap 20 different times on the same screen, I was sure it was somehow more computer aids than limewire but now it's my go-to for some stuff.
And yeah, the goddamn underwhelming vn games somehow found themselves on steam too
 

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Part 3 having two separate routes with significant differences in story and locale depending on which character you've taken in the beginning of the game means it will take like 10 years to translate.
 

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First and foremost, nobody was kink-shaming. If your only response to legitimate backlash is "HURR DURR SHITPOST" Or "no bully pls", then your position is by default shit and you need to grow a thicker skin. Real talk, grow up or fuck off. Tired of you whiny cunts always falling back on that childish shit. Have an actual debate/argument, or don't bother with having contact with the outside world because you're contributing zero value.

Second, two routes that converge on a third one is the rumored plan, from what I've heard. I could be wrong, would need someone to confirm or correct on if this is the case. I would say if that's the plan, it will be neat to see where it goes narrative-wise. It definitely invites a "where's the caveman?" moment.

Third: Let's get some goddamn favorite OST discussion going. Personally a favorite of mine. I mean, can we take a moment to appreciate how well TTR did in placing tracks with scenes appropriately? If there isn't a composer on their staff, there's at least someone with an understanding of tone, and that's fine by me.
 

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Oh hell yeah. I second that. The track is fantastic and, combined with the story, was THE moment I remembered the most and I consider the most emotional.
 

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No idea what is going TL;DR. It looks like a beatdown to be honest. I just saw a meme quoted so where you go. Also good choice on the music. That's also my personal favorite from the VN!
 

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No idea what is going TL;DR. It looks like a beatdown to be honest. I just saw a meme quoted so where you go. Also good choice on the music. That's also my personal favorite from the VN!
Dunno we started to vote who monster girls was the most MEEEMEEEEE i mean worst and some suggestion like yuri and then mean stuff happened

also a fucking classic:
 
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