Re: Alansya Chronicles - Fleeting Iris (Former Ayame's Adventure)
Incorrect. It is more profitable for almost every project to complete and release the game than it is to purposely delay a game to collect income monthly. That is the truth. Patreons that release completed content do significantly better than those who do not. That does not even take into account the selling of a completed game which can dwarf Patreon earnings if it does reasonably well.
So your "undeniable fact" is actually false. I won't waste more space in this thread debating this, but feel free to PM me if you'd like to further debate this. Although, a quick perusal of Patreons with completed content shows that they are bringing in more money on average. The patrons are also happier and more involved which is also a plus.
Well that's completely wrong. All you need is completed and displayed WORKS, not product. That's all that will pull in money. You need to, at best, put out a working demo, and that can be milked for far more than actually completing it. Patreon is, and always has been, a medium that is supposed to make the process easier for the creators, taken with a sacrifice by the consumer, who take it because they get to contribute to things they're a bit more 'involved' or 'interested' in, as a kind of investment. Problem is, 'gamers' are already a group who gets screwed in nearly every single way just at the triple A level, even more so at the indie level, and now, we're talking about the completely unrespected level of H indie games, and we want to add patreon onto
that. It can be used responsibly, but every single time you or this author pops on to defend it, it really only ever comes off like shilling because of how little recognition is given to consumer-risk. Now, the problem is still buyer-beware as it always has been, so really, we can always point at them and say they're at fault for their own poor investments, but this process does allow them a lot more insight, regardless of how legitimate that actually is, and you've been on this forum before, and you've seen that the intellect ain't exactly high. Either that, or the greed and self-service of the users overrules it. Either way, I really do hope you're using Patreon responsibly. I'd much rather see products get finished, in this medium of such low-percentage of products ever being finished, on a platform that rewards people creators before the product is finished, a spit in the face of operant conditioning.
EDIT: Meatbag, if you have a problem with me, you can PM or post in Aylia's Story thread. This is not the place.
That is absolutely correct. If Meatbag is gonna sit here and pretend that the questions asked are actually ones he wants answered, he can't criticize people who come in to answer with off topic responses. Criticism is supposed to come from a place of based purely on what you know, knowing that you could know more. Questions asked by you can actually be answered the right way, and if you're not listening to that, then you're just here to criticize for the sake of criticizing, and if that's the case, I'll just start deleting your responses in this thread. YummyTigers own dealings with Patreon don't make any response immediately invalidated. If you want to actually answer Yummy, you do it like I did above, with actual criticism of what he's talking about, not of her. Meatbag, you're offtopic and being purely insulting, and I ask that you stick to conversation about THIS GAME in THIS THREAD.
Although, I will second your last question out of genuine interest
So why are you doing patreon then?
Yeah, this I'm curious about? Does the release of games on Patreon give you more of a feeling of creative control? That you can do more to stop piracy or something? I figure there's got to be some tradeoff that makes it a preferred platform to DLsite if DLsite will make you more money. Is it just that the money comes sooner, even if it's less overall? This way, it feels like you're being paid by the hour like a regular job, vs by contract? Cuz my brother makes video games, and I know he's on contract. And most consumers are under the impression that people get on Patreon because they need the money more, so it's just a question of sort of 'start-up' capital, in a way?
